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I just thought he took his own promises to heart and had been winning so much he got tired of it. Now he's not trying to win anymore.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Do you think this ever comes off as whiny to his base? Some kind of "take it like a man" deal? This assumes they're even aware of it. To the extent they are, other posters have pointed out how it's largely perceived
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SpelledBackwards posted:It seems like this lady could've avoided consequences if she'd had the foresight to run for president Unrelated: sometimes I have a conservative ask/tell me "do you liberals even do your own research" regarding Trump's prosecutions (usually after me challenging them to stand on merit defending him) and well, this fuckin' thread The Islamic Shock fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Apr 11, 2024 |
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Deteriorata posted:State prosecutor to investigate Georgia Lt. Gov. Burt Jones in Trump case Why did it take 21 months? Was it a personnel issue or a funding issue? Was it that no one would take it so Skandalakis decided he would? Or was Skandalakis always intending to do it but needed this time to secure funding? I have to assume some $millions needed to be appropriated by the state to fund it? Willis has her own funding and discretion on how to spend it for investigations in her jurisdiction but that may not be true for a DA from a different area taking an outside case?
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DarkHorse posted:This assumes they're even aware of it. To the extent they are, other posters have pointed out how it's largely perceived Yeah, 50 years ago Walter Kronkite would be taking about this stuff every night on the news that everyone watched. Now, we take in completely different information than those who watch right-wing media and as a result live in completely separate realities from them with regards to what even happens day to day. It's a real big problem and it's not going away even after Trump dies
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pthighs posted:Yeah, 50 years ago Walter Kronkite would be taking about this stuff every night on the news that everyone watched. Now, we take in completely different information than those who watch right-wing media and as a result live in completely separate realities from them with regards to what even happens day to day. Learning to think for yourself is always painful and a third of the nation and their leader are weak little bitches. The Islamic Shock fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Apr 11, 2024 |
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Murgos posted:Why did it take 21 months? Was it a personnel issue or a funding issue? We don't know for sure, but the article contains some suggestions: quote:Georgia State University law professor Anthony Michael Kreis said Skandalakis’ decision likely took so long for two reasons.
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How has noone pointed out dudes name is literally Scandal-akis? Writers have just completely thrown every rule of believability out the window.
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Asgerd posted:Nah, he can’t prove what a perfect blameless angel he obviously is when every court in the land is a kangaroo banana republic run by deep state commie-nazi antifa judges (including those appointed by Trump). This is also why nothing he might admit to in court while under oath can change his supporters minds, because the courts are so corrupt and illegitimate and evil that defying them is the only decent thing to do. Trump's argument isn't that he didn't do it. His argument is that he did the hell out of it, better than anyone, and his prosecution is simply politically motivated sour grapes over how much better than anyone else he did it. The secondary arguments are variations of everybody does it, so why are they coming for your favorite president. It's actually an amazing distillation of conspiracy theory thinking into a defense. From a PR perspective. Legally it's on par with Sovereign Citizen arguments.
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But unfortunately no bailiffs or other officers are tasing Trump in the courtroom to maintain order (...yet?)
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SpelledBackwards posted:But unfortunately no bailiffs or other officers are tasing Trump in the courtroom to maintain order (...yet?) He might burst into flames from all that spray tan.
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Gyges posted:Trump's argument isn't that he didn't do it. His argument is that he did the hell out of it, better than anyone, and his prosecution is simply politically motivated sour grapes over how much better than anyone else he did it. The secondary arguments are variations of everybody does it, so why are they coming for your favorite president. "An ingroup that the law protects but does not bind." The very idea that a rich white man could be punished for merely breaking the law goes against everything conservatism stands for.
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Velocity Raptor posted:He might burst into flames from all that spray tan. Inshallah
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Clarste posted:"An ingroup that the law protects but does not bind." The very idea that a rich white man could be punished for merely breaking the law goes against everything conservatism stands for. Since it's in the news today, I remember a number people supporting Orenthal the Killer back in the day because it was the first time they saw a black man use his fame and wealth to game the system like a white man. Turmp! facing consequences is like the inverse of that.
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Some fun reading in this article about how much money ol' Donny has pissed away in legal fees https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-new-york-criminal-case-legal-fees-rcna146993 Two paras: quote:In February, the last month for which there’s Federal Election Commission data for Save America’s spending, the committee doled out $5.6 million (or as The Daily Beast put it, $230,000 per day) on legal fees alone. All told, Trump has spent more than $100 million on lawyers and other legal costs since he left office in 2021, according to a tally from The New York Times. quote:What’s truly wild is that Blanche and Necheles aren’t even the ones who’ve earned the most from Trump during these legal battles. That title goes to Chris Kise, who has been working on the Florida federal case as well as the civil case against Trump’s businesses in New York. Lawyers like Kise tend to work on retainer, essentially a down payment on how many billable hours will be worked. Knowing Trump’s reputation for not paying his lawyers, Kise, a former solicitor general for Florida, demanded $3 million upfront. He’s gotten that and then some since then, raking in over $9 million for his firm. Money well spent, Mr President, sir, I say with tears in my eyes
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Well they have kept him out of jail so far...
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Tayter Swift posted:Well they have kept him out of jail so far... First criminal trial starts Monday*! Woot! *Maybe
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Tayter Swift posted:Well they have kept him out of jail so far... Also likely to keep a couple of downticket Republicans out of office through starving the GOP donor base, so please, keep on hiring incompetent lawyers to mount galaxy brain defenses
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Tayter Swift posted:Well they have kept him out of jail so far... True, and they've kept that money out of the RNC's coffers too!
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Really expecting him to push Eric down a flight of stairs in hopes he can get a compassionate delay.
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Also it seems to of kept his donations down as well as big donnors don't really seem like they want all the money they're donating to just go directly to his legal fees.
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Tesseraction posted:Some fun reading in this article about how much money ol' Donny has pissed away in legal fees https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-new-york-criminal-case-legal-fees-rcna146993
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Murgos posted:First criminal trial starts Monday*! Woot! Based on the charges, though, jail seems an unlikely result for the Stormy Daniels case. Most likely another fine and probation or something.
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Deteriorata posted:Based on the charges, though, jail seems an unlikely result for the Stormy Daniels case. Most likely another fine and probation or something. The main thing to take away from this would be he would officially have a criminal conviction after that. Even if the punishment is minor, you bet the media will refer to him as "criminal ex-President, Donald Trump." It also means any future criminal prosecution can go harder on him as he's not coming before the court as a man of unblemished character *. *= I know who we are talking about here, but go with me on this. It's a legal term.
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The Question IRL posted:The main thing to take away from this would be he would officially have a criminal conviction after that. Even if the punishment is minor, you bet the media will refer to him as "criminal ex-President, Donald Trump." I appreciate you're optimism here. Really hoping it stays ex-President and doesn't become "criminal President Elect Donald Trump."
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Deteriorata posted:Based on the charges, though, jail seems an unlikely result for the Stormy Daniels case. Most likely another fine and probation or something. Probably. However, Marchan's all out of patience and the way he would get even is by not cutting Donald any slack during the trial on any kind of borderline question and then at sentencing 'recognizing his lack of remorse or acceptance of the impropriety of his behavior' sentencing him to something like a year of house arrest and then let Trump try and appeal it. Anyway, the sentencing hearing (optimism) is probably unlikely to be before the election anyway (pessimism).
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If I were the judge, and he were convicted in front of me, I'd give him thirty days jail, to begin immediately. Maybe less, maybe a single day. Sure he can appeal but he'd be unlikely to get a stay of such a short sentence and the important thing is the imagery of the booking and going behind bars.
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Deteriorata posted:Based on the charges, though, jail seems an unlikely result for the Stormy Daniels case. Most likely another fine and probation or something. If he's convicted, would he be permitted to vote, being a convicted felon and all?
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Ynglaur posted:If he's convicted, would he be permitted to vote, being a convicted felon and all? I think Florida does have a law preventing felon's from voting but that the penalty can be removed by a panel? edit: quote:Felony conviction not of moral turpitude in Florida
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What makes a felony count as moral turpitude? Because the plain english meaning of that would definitely cover "committed fraud in the process of bribing porn star you had an affair with"
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haveblue posted:What makes a felony count as moral turpitude? Because the plain english meaning of that would definitely cover "committed fraud in the process of bribing porn star you had an affair with" Depends on the state probably. Looking up some stuff for Florida, the word fraud comes up a lot. https://floridaprofessionallicenseattorney.com/2021/10/how-crime-of-moral-turpitude-is-defined/
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haveblue posted:What makes a felony count as moral turpitude? Because the plain english meaning of that would definitely cover "committed fraud in the process of bribing porn star you had an affair with" In Florida, it's entirely arbitrary and subjective. When you apply to an agency for something that's barred to people who've violated moral turpitude, it's up to that individual agency to decide for themselves whether the crimes on your rapsheet count as "moral turpitude". If you disagree, you can appeal it to the courts, who will decide whether they agree or not. There's no clear, set, universal standard for it under Florida law. While financial crimes with malicious intent are generally found to be moral turpitude, there's no guarantee. Not that it really matters, since there's no way DeSantis would refuse to issue Trump a pardon if he wanted one.
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haveblue posted:Also likely to keep a couple of downticket Republicans out of office through starving the GOP donor base, so please, keep on hiring incompetent lawyers to mount galaxy brain defenses It's not like Trump even wants a competent defense. Didn't he fire a lawyer that told him to just give the documents back.
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Trump wants a competent defense, but the caveat is he wants to keep doing what he's doing (illegal activities) and then bragging about it on not-Twitter. This creates a very small space for maneuvering for any lawyer.
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Trump also has a tendency to run off competent lawyers by trying to get them to risk their careers for him.
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Main Paineframe posted:In Florida, it's entirely arbitrary and subjective. When you apply to an agency for something that's barred to people who've violated moral turpitude, it's up to that individual agency to decide for themselves whether the crimes on your rapsheet count as "moral turpitude". If you disagree, you can appeal it to the courts, who will decide whether they agree or not. There's no clear, set, universal standard for it under Florida law. While financial crimes with malicious intent are generally found to be moral turpitude, there's no guarantee. Trump lives in Florida and would cast his vote as a Florida resident however the felony would from a NY court so I have no idea how that interplay works out. I wouldn't think that the governor of one state can pardon another states criminal penalty even regarding the first states own voting laws but I expect there is very little case law on that specific scenario so it's probably just calvinball. That said, it would be very, very funny if NY indicts Trump for voting for himself for president as an ineligible felon. No, Mr. Trump the voter fraud is you!
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I don't believe the NY charges are felonies. Not 100% sure.
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The Question IRL posted:The main thing to take away from this would be he would officially have a criminal conviction after that. Even if the punishment is minor, you bet the media will refer to him as "criminal ex-President, Donald Trump."
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DTurtle posted:My favorite name so far is still "Citizen Trump". "Criminal Trump" or "Felon Trump" would be great alternatives though. Holding out for "Inmate #..."
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I don't believe the NY charges are felonies. Not 100% sure. Class E felony - lowest level, but still a felony.
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