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A_Bluenoser
Jan 13, 2008
...oh where could that fish be?...
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I must confess I don't get the whole "you can't discuss your relationship problems with your close friend, but only with a therapist" thing. Is not one of the main roles of close friends to be people that you can confide in and who know you well enough that they can both help you out and call you out when you are being an rear end in a top hat? I have always thought of my close friends as being people I can come to with my problems and people who can come to me with theirs. I have certainly talked to close friends about very personal problems in my life at times and while being supportive they have helped me realize that I am the person who needs to smarten up and make changes. To me the idea that all serious personal and relationship problems need to be taken to some kind of professional cheapens the role of friendship and other intimate personal relationships.

Not saying at all that there is no role for therapy - there very clearly is and there is no shame in it - but I don't think that is the only only valid source of advice and support for personal or relationship problems.

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Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!

A_Bluenoser posted:

I must confess I don't get the whole "you can't discuss your relationship problems with your close friend, but only with a therapist" thing. Is not one of the main roles of close friends to be people that you can confide in and who know you well enough that they can both help you out and call you out when you are being an rear end in a top hat? I have always thought of my close friends as being people I can come to with my problems and people who can come to me with theirs. I have certainly talked to close friends about very personal problems in my life at times and while being supportive they have helped me realize that I am the person who needs to smarten up and make changes. To me the idea that all serious personal and relationship problems need to be taken to some kind of professional cheapens the role of friendship and other intimate personal relationships.

Not saying at all that there is no role for therapy - there very clearly is and there is no shame in it - but I don't think that is the only only valid source of advice and support for personal or relationship problems.

I think a lot of people don't do that last part. They'll provide unconditional support always and never do the call out part ever. Which can lead to one person going back to the relationship with "Well, I talked to <friend> and they said I'm right."

A_Bluenoser
Jan 13, 2008
...oh where could that fish be?...
Nap Ghost

Mordiceius posted:

I think a lot of people don't do that last part. They'll provide unconditional support always and never do the call out part ever. Which can lead to one person going back to the relationship with "Well, I talked to <friend> and they said I'm right."

True, but a lot of therapists don't either...

Modal Auxiliary
Jan 14, 2005

A_Bluenoser posted:

I must confess I don't get the whole "you can't discuss your relationship problems with your close friend, but only with a therapist" thing.

You would not believe how many times I have to broach this in sessions, especially with younger clients. I cannot be the only person in the world with whom you are emotionally vulnerable, that poo poo isn't healthy for you.

A_Bluenoser posted:

True, but a lot of therapists don't either...

We have a new hire who's really struggling when it comes to challenging/calling out problematic stuff. It's one of the first big hurdles for new therapists and a lot of them never seem to get over it.

Shanghaied
Oct 12, 2004

BIG PAD

Runcible Cat posted:

We don't even know that she was actually complaining though. It could easily have been something like "oh god remember that rear end in a top hat Brad I used to go out with, best sex of my life but I can't believe I put up with his other crap for so long, so glad I got out of that and have a decent boyfriend now" kind of thing and friend decided to poo poo-stir.

I don't even know if I'd say the friend was poo poo-stirring in this case. OP said that he has a habit of prodding friend into revealing details of her conversations with the GF. The not-greatest-at-sex thing was revealed when the friend was drunk and after much begging and pleading. And he said he does this because of severe insecurity.

Like loving hell, imagine putting up with this level of insecurity.

artsy fartsy
May 10, 2014

You'll be ahead instead of behind. Hello!
Lol, this'll learn her

AITA for faking a serious eye injury, making my mom faint, and ruining my birthday party.

quote:

My mom thinks the height of humor is to smash me and my siblings face into our birthday cakes. I have no idea why but it amuses her.

I just turned 15 and I told her that if she planned to do that to me again I would rather not have a cake or even a party.

She promised that she would not do it and she was upset that I threatened to not attend if she planned it without that promise.

I knew she was lying because I know her. So I made a plan with my friends. One of them does cosplay and helped me out with a very basic trick. The other two that were also present at my party were there to play along and make it worse.

When my mom smashed my face into the cake as expected I screamed like I was shot. I took the patch I had in my hand and pulled my face away from the cake and put my hand to my eye.

The patch had a stub of candle that stuck out between my fingers and some fake blood. My friends came tou rescue and I screamed that I couldn't see out of that eye. One of them looked under my hand and pretended to have to go to the bathroom to throw up.

My mom literally fainted. Once that happened I called off the joke really quickly. I showed everyone that it was just a joke. But the day was wrecked. There was fake blood everywhere and someone had called an ambulance. Which was good because we ended up needing it for my mom.

I didn't get in trouble because I showed my dad the texts showing that my mom had promised not to do the cake thing. But my mom is pissed that Iafe her look bad and like a liar because I showed everyone the texts because they were all mad at me to begin with.

I think that if she hadn't lied then nothing would have happened so this is all on her.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

artsy fartsy posted:

Lol, this'll learn her

AITA for faking a serious eye injury, making my mom faint, and ruining my birthday party.
That owns so hard.

Eat poo poo, mom.

quantumwell
Jun 22, 2013

artsy fartsy posted:


AITA for faking a serious eye injury, making my mom faint, and ruining my birthday party.

I wouldn't let this woman stand anywhere near me while blowing out candles.

limp_cheese
Sep 10, 2007


Nothing to see here. Move along.

artsy fartsy posted:

Lol, this'll learn her

AITA for faking a serious eye injury, making my mom faint, and ruining my birthday party.

Lol at "I need you to stop showing people texts where I explicitly promised to not do the thing I did because people will think I'm a liar."

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS
My lying makes me look like a liar, so if you could stop showing people my lies that'd be great.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
Slam your mother's face into every single meal she attempts to eat until she gets the message.

Shanghaied
Oct 12, 2004

BIG PAD

artsy fartsy posted:

Lol, this'll learn her

AITA for faking a serious eye injury, making my mom faint, and ruining my birthday party.

Is this from a far away country where birthday cakes are dirt cheap? 'Cause just lmao ruining multiple expensive cakes for your lovely joke year after year lol.

mystes
May 31, 2006

OP should have all their friends pie their mother on her birthday

SulfurMonoxideCute
Feb 9, 2008

I was under direct orders not to die
🐵❌💀

Fil5000 posted:

My lying makes me look like a liar, so if you could stop showing people my lies that'd be great.

Someone saying "You're making me look bad" whenever they're being bad makes me laugh every time.

Don't want to look bad? Simple solution. Don't be bad. Problem solved!

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

mystes posted:

OP should have all their friends pie their mother on her birthday

Just smash her face into every meal, every day.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

SulfurMonoxideCute posted:

Someone saying "You're making me look bad" whenever they're being bad makes me laugh every time.

Don't want to look bad? Simple solution. Don't be bad. Problem solved!

*Feathers hair hurriedly

house of the dad
Jul 4, 2005

If you do the same exact thing on every occasion to the point that people are asking you to stop and you still refuse, you can't convince me there isn't some kind of odd fetish involved

Shanghaied
Oct 12, 2004

BIG PAD

artsy fartsy posted:

quote:

I didn't get in trouble because I showed my dad the texts showing that my mom had promised not to do the cake thing.

Also dad is a real piece of poo poo for not stopping this years ago. I hope in their old age they like having food smashed into their faces every time any of the kids come visit.

Technocrat
Jan 30, 2011

I always finish what I sta
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a cake smashing on a human face, forever

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

Shanghaied posted:

Is this from a far away country where birthday cakes are dirt cheap? 'Cause just lmao ruining multiple expensive cakes for your lovely joke year after year lol.

She's getting her money's worth since she enjoys doing it.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

😌Finally, an avatar the describes my love of tech❤️‍💻, my love of anime💖🎎, and why I'll never see a real girl 🙆‍♀️naked😭.

Shanghaied posted:

Is this from a far away country where birthday cakes are dirt cheap? 'Cause just lmao ruining multiple expensive cakes for your lovely joke year after year lol.

It's dumb people thinking they're funny. On rare occasions there may be a backup cake.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Shanghaied posted:

Also dad is a real piece of poo poo for not stopping this years ago. I hope in their old age they like having food smashed into their faces every time any of the kids come visit.
I can't imagine being him and having to explain the concept of comeuppance. I guess I'd just start with "Honey, you owned yourself" and go from there.

artsy fartsy
May 10, 2014

You'll be ahead instead of behind. Hello!

quantumwell posted:

I wouldn't let this woman stand anywhere near me while blowing out candles.

I wondered about this. Maybe mom dropped out of the ceiling

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

house of the dad posted:

If you do the same exact thing on every occasion to the point that people are asking you to stop and you still refuse, you can't convince me there isn't some kind of odd fetish involved

The other option is abuse.

trickybiscuits
Jan 13, 2008

yospos

Mordiceius posted:

It's so loving exhausting. Why do these families constantly bend over backwards to appease the rear end in a top hat that makes everyone miserable?

Because appeasing the rear end in a top hat makes them stop making everyone miserable except the load-bearing reasonable person who won't cause trouble. The best thing you can do if you're that reasonable person is to cause a huge problem every time it happens. Unfortunately by the time people are mad enough to do something about it things have usually gone pretty far.

Neito posted:

They're borrowing from tomorrow to make today easier. The emotional equivalent of a payday loan.

This also.

Mordiceius posted:

One thing my wife and I agreed on while we were dating is that we would never speak negative about the other person to people we know. That's just opening the door to negative resentment. We agreed that as soon as someone starts feeling like it is okay to speak negatively about their partner to other people, you're no longer addressing the issue and, in fact, you're dragging other people into a problem the two of you should be dealing with together.

I know someone who deals with their frustration at people behaving badly by talking about those people behind their backs and doing nothing to actually improve the situation. It's depressing and has probably destroyed their relationship with their partner.

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

A_Bluenoser posted:

I must confess I don't get the whole "you can't discuss your relationship problems with your close friend, but only with a therapist" thing.

it's because the whole argument is a tangent from the actual original situation, where the gf was casually joking around with her friends about her partner's intimate pros and cons. therapy-friends were brought up to distract from the bad take that the op should just shut up and be grateful the relationship exists

getting other people involved in your relationship disputes is fine, but some issues are I think too intimate for discussion behind someone's back. I have listened to my friend talk about his partner's difficult relationship with her family - I have not and wouldn't ever want to hear about any problems in the bedroom, especially without her consent

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
AITA for not allowing my cousin to take home food?

quote:

We had a large 95 birthday for my grandmother. My mom and I chipped in with another uncle and one of his kids to have if catered to. It was about $700 so we around$175 each.

One of my cousin’s Shannon who always pulls this, brought to go containers for her husband and his two kids. We stopped her from taking anything and told her she didn't help buy the food she can't take any home. She offered me $10 because that’s all she had and my other cousin said if she wanted to split the cost with those who paid it is $87.50. Then she could take stuff home.

She complained that she got grandma a gift that was clearly something from the dollar tree and was crying about how she told her hubby she would bring him back something. We told her she couldn’t because if there are leftovers they go to grannie first and those who paid.

Shannon left mad and a couple of family members said that was cheap of us but I pointed put that grannie is 95 and she could eat the leftovers for a few days and relax because the food was her birthday present not Shannons.

In the end I only took home enough salad for lunch for the next day because most of the food was eaten and a few things were put back for grannie to enjoy for dinner the next day.
Bringing your own to-go containers to scarf up all the leftovers of a spread that you didn't contribute a nickle to is some next-level leeching.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!

Lt. Danger posted:

it's because the whole argument is a tangent from the actual original situation, where the gf was casually joking around with her friends about her partner's intimate pros and cons. therapy-friends were brought up to distract from the bad take that the op should just shut up and be grateful the relationship exists

getting other people involved in your relationship disputes is fine, but some issues are I think too intimate for discussion behind someone's back. I have listened to my friend talk about his partner's difficult relationship with her family - I have not and wouldn't ever want to hear about any problems in the bedroom, especially without her consent

Absolutely this.

I also feel like it's a matter of degree. There's a difference between seeking advice and bitching. I would like to think that, generally speaking, the people in this thread aren't completely lost causes and have good intentions - which is why I think there may have been a bigger reaction to me saying "don't bitch about your personal life to your friends."

Going to a friend and saying "<spouse> and I got in a fight because I feel like they're not doing enough chores, though they think they're doing their fair share" is something I think is totally valid to talk about with a friend when seeking council.

Going to that same friend and saying "<spouse> is such a piece of poo poo. I slave away in this house and all they do is sit on their fat, lazy rear end" is not something you should be sharing. But booooooooooy to I know people who talk like this about their partner.

Also never loving share intimate/sensitive details about your partner without their loving consent - which is the heart of where this conversation first started.

It's one thing to tell a friend about the time your partner forgot about an important date or something. It's another thing to talk about their sexual performance.

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

Take 1 tablet by mouth daily.
I keep my to-go containers in my go bag.

olylifter
Sep 13, 2007

I'm bad with money and you have an avatar!
I (35F) am considering leaving my Husband (47M) because he started the carnivore "lion" diet - How can I make him see sense?

About 10 months ago my husband started the "Lion" diet which is basically an extreme version of the Carnivore diet. He only eats beef and salt. Nothing else. He says this is the "ancestral way".

I've done my best to be supportive during this period but his health has continued to deteriorate while he stubbornly stays on the diet.

- His cholesterol numbers are sky high but he refuses to stop the diet or go on statins because he follows a doctor on YouTube who has convinced him that high cholesterol is healthy. I spent 5 minutes researching the doctor - one of the most prominent "carnivore doctors" - and he's a complete quack.

- His skin is terrible. He has developed serious Acne on his face and body, and Xanthelasma under his eyes. My handsome husband now looks like a seriously unwell teenager.

- He has gained a lot of weight even though he insists it is impossible to gain weight on the Lion diet. He only eats 6 very fatty beef patties only every meal. Every single meal. I've told him that his diet is very high in calories but he thinks calories are a myth. 10 months later and he seems to be gaining weight rather than losing the weight he insisted would be temporary.

- The house permanently smells of beef fat

- But I think the worst thing is the time he spends with other people on the same diet. It's like some kind of cult of people who seem to have low IQ and behave in a very "incel" way. He's a member of a discord group where they all motivate eachother and share pictures of the meat they eat every day.

2 months ago i told him that I was considering leaving him for all of the reasons above but he still hasn't changed. It's so upsetting that this is more important to him than his family. But I don't think I can raise our son with someone who behaves like a nutrition conspiracy theorist.

But I also don't want to abandon the man I love who is very clearly going through a crisis.

How can I make him see sense? Has anyone else been through this?

tldr: husband is on lion diet, has developed multiple health problems and the house stinks of beef. Refuses to change his ways. I think it's time to leave him but don't want to abandon him.

I know the title just changed but: r/relationships: the house smells permanently of beef fat would be great

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
A real lion diet would be nothing but handfuls of raw antelope

Poohs Packin
Jan 13, 2019

redit thread

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



olylifter posted:

I (35F) am considering leaving my Husband (47M) because he started the carnivore "lion" diet - How can I make him see sense?

Doublecheck that the life insurance is up to date, this is the kind of problem that solves itself :homebrew:

Troublemaker
Mar 12, 2007

Lions, famous for their liberal use of salt.

Irisi
Feb 18, 2009

Captain Hygiene posted:

Doublecheck that the life insurance is up to date, this is the kind of problem that solves itself :homebrew:

He is going to die of scurvy due to lack of Vitamin C. A man living in the USA in the 21st century is actually going to die of scurvy, astonishing, just astonishing.

BOOTY-ADE
Aug 30, 2006

BIG KOOL TELLIN' Y'ALL TO KEEP IT TIGHT

SulfurMonoxideCute posted:

Someone saying "You're making me look bad" whenever they're being bad makes me laugh every time.

Don't want to look bad? Simple solution. Don't be bad. Problem solved!

An old comment I remember seeing on Reddit for a similar situation was “if the truth about your conduct paints you in a bad light, the problem isn’t the truth - it’s your conduct”

Shanghaied
Oct 12, 2004

BIG PAD
Hahaha holy poo poo six hamburger patties per meal with nothing but salt lol. Even GEOTUS Trump eats his berders with ketchup. No wonder he has to hang with Internet weirdos for motivation, can you imagine the sheer amount of willpower required to eat only that day in and day out, for ten loving months?


quote:

It's like some kind of cult of people who seem to have low IQ

"Like". "Seem". Right.

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

AITAH for saying my exMIL is not family?

quote:


I (34F) am in the process of divorcing my husband (33M). We're on good terms and still live together in my house (the house is in my name and was bought before marriage, which means my husband is not entitled to it according to my countries law). He hasn't moved out yet because of his financial issues (I'm ok with it). He just started a new job and hopes to move out in a month or 2.

My MIL is a nasty person and we never got along. She never liked me and made sure I didn't feel welcome in the family. Last month she called me on my birthday to tell me she's glad she no longer has to buy me anything for my birthday because I'm no longer family (she had recently found out we'd be getting a divorce).

Yesterday she called me (my ex was at work and didn't pick up that's why she called me not him) to inform she'd be coming over for 2 days next week because she will be having a medical procedure done in our city (the capital). She does not drive so she can't go home straight after the procedure, she was planning to spend the night and take a bus the next day. I told her absolutely no, she's no longer family, the house is mine and I don't want random people I don't even like in my house.

Neither she nor my ex can afford a hotel. He can't drive her back because of his new work. I won't because she's no longer my problem. My ex is very angry with me and told me I shouldn't be taking out my frustrations on his mother. I'm not. I just don't want her here because I don't like her and I don't feel like I have to put up with this anymore. We're no longer a couple. AITAH?

Straight into my veins.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

We've seen before from hundreds of posts here that there's basically two totally incompatible cultural views of respect and reputation that seem to exist in the world.

-One's respect and reputation is based on their actions and the truth. The abuser is bad because they abuse and they deserve a bad reputation. The truthful spread of this information and any harm that comes to their reputation is simply the very just and deserved consequences of their actions.

-One's respect and reputation is based on their position in the local hierarchy, be it family, business, political, you name it. Grandma is regarded as the matriarch of the whole extended family so you're actually the bad person for truthfully telling people about her racist screeds. Your older brother is the golden child, the oldest male and thus most important child, you are a vile person for letting it get out that he has 2 "minor" sexual assault convictions. Actions and truth have nothing to do anything, only maintaining hierarchy and the respect owed to those at the top.

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mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006
Probation
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olylifter posted:

- But I think the worst thing is the time he spends with other people on the same diet. It's like some kind of cult of people who seem to have low IQ and behave in a very "incel" way. He's a member of a discord group where they all motivate eachother and share pictures of the meat they eat every day.

This whole post—but especially this—reminds me of the low-carb thread that ended up killing someone's dog

quote:

proposal: a fad diet thread in the exercise forum

reality: a mentally ill man resembling a melted candle, the pied piper of ham joints, told people that eating nothing but eggs and bacon and lard in paint buckets (they were literally buying and eating buckets full of lard in the name of good health) would not only make them lose weight, but was so healthy it would cure heart disease and cancer. an enormous fat powerlifter who cant run for 20 seconds probated and banned anyone who challenged this wisdom until it lead to a man barely in his 20s being prescribed statins.

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