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shimmy shimmy posted:Some missing context here if you're unfamiliar with him is that Ismail Haniyeh is the political head of Hamas, rather than a military leader, and is heavily involved in the ceasefire talks. One might think that assassinating his children and grandchildren on a holiday would indicate that the Israeli government is, perhaps, not fully on board with the prospect of a ceasefire.
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ninjoatse.cx posted:The ADL just gave Harvard and several other universities an F on their Anti-semitism policies. Anecdotally a lot of the Jewish Brandeis grad students and alum I know are pissed about all the "positive" policies the ADL is praising here. But that's easily a self-selection bias on the types of people I associate with I think.
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It's weird, I never read anything by the ADL but I didn't think that they just outright say that anti-Zionism is antisemitism. I thought they just implied it in various ways or whatever. Why would anyone take them seriously
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https://x.com/snarwani/status/1778464074499526972?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q Houthis got offered extremely generous concessions by the US in return for assuming a neutral stance on Gaza, replied with 'lol, nope'. Implies the pressure they're applying is working, given the stuff America was prepared to give them to stop was hardly cheap.
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kiminewt posted:It's weird, I never read anything by the ADL but I didn't think that they just outright say that anti-Zionism is antisemitism. Western media has been using their findings to attack younger generations and college students to try to brow beat them into line by screeching their anti-semites because they’re against Israel. It hasn’t worked so they keep doing it louder and louder
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Darth Walrus posted:https://x.com/snarwani/status/1778464074499526972?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q i guess they arent just opportunistic pirates after all
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punishedkissinger posted:i guess they arent just opportunistic pirates after all This just means they're making such vast profits from piracy it's not worth taking the deal yet
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quote:Informed Yemeni sources drat, anonymous sources ftmfw
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Darth Walrus posted:https://x.com/snarwani/status/1778464074499526972?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q
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The shift in rhetoric to the diplomatic solution is noteworthy, but the claim from Yemeni sources in the article is a bit outlandish to believe.quote:Informed Yemeni sources reveal to The Cradle that the US offered Sanaa – in exchange for its neutrality in the ongoing Gaza war – “an acknowledgment of its legitimacy.” The very last bit I fully believe is on the table, maybe the money in Saudi banks, too. Those are the usual carrots in America's arsenal. Straight up recognising and backing the Houthi government? If the US was comfortable with a 180 of a deal like that, it would be easier and less 'humiliating' to simply stop sending weapons to Israel. Seems to me like the Houthis are tooting their own horn on this one, maybe in an attempt to signal their position to the US more clearly.
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:This just means they're making such vast profits from piracy it's not worth taking the deal yet Have they made *any* money from piracy? Or have they been charging tolls or something.
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Haystack posted:Have they made *any* money from piracy? Or have they been charging tolls or something. They eventually get paid by vessel owners insurers or vessel owners. It can take a long while.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:This whole article is based on uncritically believing the words of "Informed Yemeni sources". This is very weak - I don't doubt that there are ongoing diplomatic efforts but the Houthis have an obvious incentive to exaggerate the concessions they are being offered to make their position appear stronger. "Informed Israeli sources" were plenty to spread the 40 beheaded babies and rape stories, why balk at this now? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Is this the thread for the Iran news or is there a better place for that?
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Goatse James Bond posted:As lovely as israel is your take doesn't really seem like an accurate communication of the reporting. Twitter accounts for Hamas spokespeople made the claim they were setting up speakers with the sounds of children playing to lure in IDF child killers. At the time it seemed outlandish to the point of being fake, but later Israeli news semi confirmed it, at the least the use of the sounds of children playing, such as that article. Obviously their media don't say what reason Hamas had for using children's sounds versus any other number of sounds they could have used if they only want to draw in soldiers by their curiosity.
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cr0y posted:Is this the thread for the Iran news or is there a better place for that? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3839774 Stringent posted:"Informed Israeli sources" were plenty to spread the 40 beheaded babies and rape stories, why balk at this now?
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Haystack posted:Have they made *any* money from piracy? Or have they been charging tolls or something. Not as far as I know.
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bleak lol: https://x.com/kenroth/status/1778759098512605250?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q https://x.com/awgaffney/status/1778771164971622691?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Leaving aside your misrepresentation of the evidence and reporting surrounding October 7th, what exactly is your argument here? That because Israel is dishonest somehow that means we should uncritically believe what any other actor says? Not that we shouldn't uncritically believe it, but we shouldn't uncritically dismiss it either. Obviously I don't know for sure, but there haven't been any reports of further strikes on the Houthis from the US/UK airforces, but the Houthis are still firing missiles at shipping. So the narrative that diplomatic solutions instead of military ones are being persued is at least plausible, although I agree with you that article is pretty far from entirely convincing. Also, I didn't misrepresent anything in my previous post.
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ninjoatse.cx posted:The ADL just gave Harvard and several other universities an F on their Anti-semitism policies. This seems too obviously partisan even for people who normally wouldn't look past a headline. Pro-Zionists frequently use a broad brush when trying to bury dissent, but this is more of an industrial paint sprayer method. Imagine burning the reputation of an institution which has been a genuine force for good in protecting your community like this, for this. I'm surprised there haven't been more resignations.
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Stringent posted:"Informed Israeli sources" were plenty to spread the 40 beheaded babies and rape stories, why balk at this now? So you're citing a different discredited story using anonymous sourcing to prove...?
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:Not as far as I know. I went looking, and couldn't find much evidence of profit-seeking on the Houthi's part. If anything, the evidence seems against it. They hijacked the Galaxy Leader and it's crew back in November, and have reportedly put Hamas in charge of their release. Meanwhile, this article claims that the owners of the Rubymar tried and failed to pay for safe salvage access to the ship while it was still adrift. Neither case screams of an organization desperate to rob the high seas.
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Haystack posted:I went looking, and couldn't find much evidence of profit-seeking on the Houthi's part. If anything, the evidence seems against it. They hijacked the Galaxy Leader and it's crew back in November, and have reportedly put Hamas in charge of their release. Meanwhile, this article claims that the owners of the Rubymar tried and failed to pay for safe salvage access to the ship while it was still adrift. Neither case screams of an organization desperate to rob the high seas. Because they are not just engaging in piracy, as they have been pretty explicitly willing to explain to everyone since day one. It's one of the many instances where the so-called reasonable consensus has been little more than transparently racist wishcasting about the swarthy savages by Zionists.
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Quantum Cat posted:Because they are not just engaging in piracy, as they have been pretty explicitly willing to explain to everyone since day one. It's one of the many instances where the so-called reasonable consensus has been little more than transparently racist wishcasting about the swarthy savages by Zionists. So you don't think there is any credibility to the claims that they've committed various crimes against humanity during their ascension to de facto ruler of parts of Yemen? Nail Rat posted:That has nothing to do with the post you're quoting, it's a completely separate issue. I disagree. Organizations and people are regularly judged based on their prior actions. It's one of the best indicators available for intent and likely future conduct that you can have. In this instance and organization that has a documented history of committing atrocities is having their motives assessed with cynicism. Quantum Cat wants to claim that this is "transparently racist wishcasting about the swarthy savages by Zionists" which I don't think really captures the totality of what's been happening in the media. Grip it and rip it fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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Grip it and rip it posted:So you don't think there is any credibility to the claims that they've committed various crimes against humanity during their ascension to de facto ruler of parts of Yemen? That has nothing to do with the post you're quoting, it's a completely separate issue. Not unimportant but wholly separate. Nail Rat fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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https://twitter.com/KenRoth/status/1778770289075102012 In a result that surprises no one, Israel is still blocking sufficient aid from entering Gaza quote:One of Netanyahu’s promises to Biden, to open the Ashdod port north of Gaza as a portal to seaborne humanitarian aid, has not yet been acted on, according to Israel’s Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (Cogat), a defence ministry unit.
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For what it’s worth, I’ve never once heard the whole “Houthis are just in it for the money!!” take outside of this forum and the literal /r/neoliberal subreddit. A significant portion of people I work with are explicitly pro-Israel and even they don’t think there’s some sneaky profit motive behind hitting a container ship with a cruise missile. It’s hard for me to see it as anything other than straight copium. I gotta say also, that specific idea falls right into the same blind spot that a lot of my well educated peers seem to sometimes have; They really can’t wrap their minds around the fact that someone might be extremely motivated by ideology and bigger visions, both good and bad, instead of laserfocused on the smaller things in life like career prestige, sending the kids to the right schools, house size, etc. I think you could draw a direct line here from this kind of thinking and the failures of sloppy American nation building projects, complete with everyone’s apparent surprise when McDonald’s and football didn’t just pop out of the ground after the Abrams and Brads rolled through. And that was of course immediately followed by a dismissal of the Middle East as “just being full of violent people” instead of actual self reflection, but I digress…
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Darth Walrus posted:bleak lol: not a value-add posted:For what it’s worth, I’ve never once heard the whole “Houthis are just in it for the money!!” take outside of this forum and the literal /r/neoliberal subreddit. A significant portion of people I work with are explicitly pro-Israel and even they don’t think there’s some sneaky profit motive behind hitting a container ship with a cruise missile. It’s hard for me to see it as anything other than straight copium.  The Houthis have mainly been attacking shipping using mostly homemade drones - and targeting vessels based on ownership or flag. As a result, there's no taking of hostages for ransom. In addition, I have not found any evidence of them accepting protection money. cat botherer fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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not a value-add posted:For what it’s worth, I’ve never once heard the whole “Houthis are just in it for the money!!” take outside of this forum and the literal /r/neoliberal subreddit. A significant portion of people I work with are explicitly pro-Israel and even they don’t think there’s some sneaky profit motive behind hitting a container ship with a cruise missile. It’s hard for me to see it as anything other than straight copium. And even taking the "informed Yemeni sources" at face value, it can also be as simple as this being POTUS election year, and the Iran deal falling through shows Washington offers no guarantees across administrations.
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Stringent posted:Also, I didn't misrepresent anything in my previous post.
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Conspiratiorist posted:And even taking the "informed Yemeni sources" at face value, it can also be as simple as this being POTUS election year, and the Iran deal falling through shows Washington offers no guarantees across administrations. Careful mate, that sounds awfully like you think they're actually people, with ideology and concrete material goals, wouldn't want you to eat a probe for wrongthink.
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https://x.com/mariambarghouti/status/1778915707452822005?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q Mariam Barghouti is a Palestinian journalist of some experience. Ramallah is the administrative capital of the Palestinian West Bank, and appears to be under a major sustained assault by armed settler militias.
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not a value-add posted:I gotta say also, that specific idea falls right into the same blind spot that a lot of my well educated peers seem to sometimes have; They really can’t wrap their minds around the fact that someone might be extremely motivated by ideology and bigger visions, both good and bad, instead of laserfocused on the smaller things in life like career prestige, sending the kids to the right schools, house size, etc. I think you could draw a direct line here from this kind of thinking and the failures of sloppy American nation building projects, complete with everyone’s apparent surprise when McDonald’s and football didn’t just pop out of the ground after the Abrams and Brads rolled through. And that was of course immediately followed by a dismissal of the Middle East as “just being full of violent people” instead of actual self reflection, but I digress… There's been a couple of interesting books written about how the systems of modern Capitalism have stripped us of an understanding/acceptance of faith (both religious and secular), both in ourselves and in our belief in others, which has left us a lot more cynical and pragmatic. Enchantments of Mammon comes to mind; I don't share its belief in Christian prophecy, but I do think that it's correct that the constant hoops that we're expected to jump through to live our lives has conditioned us to become dispassionate and distrustful. Why believe that the Houthis might hate Israel for their treatment of Palestinians & want to do something about it? Israel bombing Gaza doesn't harm Yemeni GDP, much more logical to assume that they're just very bad at freebooting.
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The last bits of IDF body camera footage I saw were of them shooting up empty classrooms and hallways, 3-4 months ago. Other than that, it was pretty much tiktoks of them blowing poo poo up and ransacking homes, posted on Telegram for the approving fans.
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punishedkissinger posted:Has the IDF produced any evidence that they actually fought Hamas at al-Shifa at all? youd think theyd have some drone footage or something
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Forgot if it was the CSpam thread or in here people were asking about reporting on what happened https://mondoweiss.net/2024/04/come-out-you-animals-how-the-massacre-at-al-shifa-hospital-happened/ Sounds absolutely brutal. Executions and half of the dead were women and children
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E2M2 posted:Forgot if it was the CSpam thread or in here people were asking about reporting on what happened Jesus. I’m glad at least some media is starting to try and uncover what happened there
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punishedkissinger posted:Has the IDF produced any evidence that they actually fought Hamas at al-Shifa at all? youd think theyd have some drone footage or something
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