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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:It wasn't an argument, Meruelo does actually suck and I hope he never gets another team, I just figured I'd take the time to also make fun of the new SLC guy too Fair enough, i misread, my bad.
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Apr 13, 2024 15:11
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I do hope the Utah ownership does a better job of trying to run like an actual competitive NHL team. Sincerely, the Coyotes have served the league as a sanctioned bad contract dumping ground - it's not impossible to think the loss of that dynamic has tangible repercussions to contract length/term for the upcoming seasons. And I'd bet there's more than 1 GM out there thinking on a contract they front-loaded thinking "poo poo oh gently caress oh poo poo" right now
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CBJSprague24 posted:https://twitter.com/JoelGoodling/status/1778978948510081109?t=of7bd_I7cY7P1tny0g8byQ&s=19 Yeah, people usually just think about players, coaches, and hockey ops who are always moving around anyway as a general expectation of the gig, but every team is a business with its whole staff of people rooted in the area, and it sucks to learn your job is relocating or disappearing.
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Apr 13, 2024 15:25
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I just bought a Coyotes kachina logo hat because it's a cool logo and I have a feeling it's getting at the very least the logo and identity is getting mothballed for a very long time
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Apr 13, 2024 15:29
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Devils Avocado posted:Man, if Houston gets passed up for a team again in favor of Atlanta for a third time and Arizona after this debacle I can only assume Bettman had some sort of lost weekend in Montrose where all he remembers is someone saying “bueno, bueno…” over and over. I don't see Houston going without a team much longer, but if the NHL still continues to dodge the city, it makes absolutely zero loving sense lol. it's painfully god damned stupid to not have a team there Arizona moving is good, maybe now they can stop being a complete loving poverty franchise and can pay their bills Still rooting for Atlanta to work too, tbh
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Apr 13, 2024 15:31
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You all reckon the inevitable 36 team league is going to be too diluted? It seems like there's still plenty of talent stuck in the AHL and Europe but at the same time... that's 6 teams bigger than the NBA and MLB and 4 bigger than the NFL is that over-expansion or what
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Apr 13, 2024 15:40
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:It'd be very neat if the Isles lost and fell to WC2 somehow. My greatest fear is that the Islanders catch a hot goalie and run to the SCF, provoking coaches all over the league to enthusiastically adopt boring rear end minimal event hockey.
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Apr 13, 2024 15:41
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https://x.com/Gambo987/status/1779011908018020361 Ehhhhh we'll see if anyone wants to actually work with Meruelo after all this, but that's still an interesting agreement if it's true
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Eric the Mauve posted:My greatest fear is that the Islanders catch a hot goalie and run to the SCF, provoking coaches all over the league to enthusiastically adopt boring rear end minimal event hockey. That is also my greatest fear. My second is dying young. But number one is still the Islanders making the Finals.
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Apr 13, 2024 15:45
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:You all reckon the inevitable 36 team league is going to be too diluted? goalies and #1 D already feel pretty diluted. it's gonna get worse.
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Apr 13, 2024 15:45
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Hockey should be everywhere and accessible to anyone so I think we should go to 46 teams
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Good soup! posted:Hockey should be everywhere and accessible to anyone so I think we should go to 46 teams It already is, thanks to the heroic efforts of somebody in probably Russia to provide the high quality and easily accessible streams that the NHL refuses to
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More dilution would be great, want to see McDavid clowning former echl scrubs
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Eric the Mauve posted:My greatest fear is that the Islanders catch a hot goalie and run to the SCF, provoking coaches all over the league to enthusiastically adopt boring rear end minimal event hockey. Is that even remotely true anymore? They are 5th worst in shots against per game and they are 18th in shots for per game. Goals for and against per game they are middle of the pack in both. They are a middling team and they have middling team event levels. This isn't the Barry Trotz islanders anymore for better or worse (its worse). There are fast breaks for and against, defensive breakdowns on a regular basis and dumb plays every game. They have a horrid pk and have at times actually had a decent performing PP (not now though). I promise you, no one is copying the NYI even if they by some miracle win the cup. That said Varly has been playing well of late and is one of the big reasons they are on this 6 game win streak. I'm glad that Roy recognized this and has stopped trying to force Sorokin in net with all the must win games they have had.
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I feel the league has enough parity that it could feasibly go up to 36 teams and be fine. To the point about goaltending already being diluted, we were kinda spoiled by an era of elite year-in-year-out goaltenders. Everyone knows the position is voodoo at best, I don't think adding two teams in that time hosed things up.
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Yeah as far as goalies go is it really so much that they've gotten worse or is it just that the talent level of the shooter is to the point where even a 4th liner can reliably pick a corner when the opening is there I'm not at all a goalie expert so anyone more experience please jump in and correct but hasn't the position been relatively stagnant in terms of new techniques since Quick and the reverse VH stuff caught the world on fire
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Cambria Bold posted:I feel the league has enough parity that it could feasibly go up to 36 teams and be fine. To the point about goaltending already being diluted, we were kinda spoiled by an era of elite year-in-year-out goaltenders. Everyone knows the position is voodoo at best, I don't think adding two teams in that time hosed things up. Hell yeah more Flyers-Pens style 9-7 games would rule. e: Im not being snarky, I legit mean this. High scoring pants on head hockey is fun as hell to watch.
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shyduck posted:I just bought a Coyotes kachina logo hat because it's a cool logo and I have a feeling it's getting at the very least the logo and identity is getting mothballed for a very long time I will spend a stupid amount of money on the Kachina Clearance Event.
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Matt Zerella posted:Lmao, the OPs reasoning for voting against it is not what NIMBY means, you dolt. I mean, I actually understand and partially agree with the sentiment (hell, what they were proposing for northeast Phoenix, at the corner of Loop-101 and Scottsdale Road, is to completely wipe out the existing native desert and build a 200 acre entertainment district when a giant entertainment district is literally 3-4 miles due west of it). I actually think it's worse to develop barren desert than, say, re-develop a barren old landfill site that just happens to be within a few miles of probably the wealthiest enclave of Tempe residents who already hate the various change that has happened but weirdly haven't done poo poo to stop any of it previously. But "We didn't want them to redevelop an existing barren dump site because it would change the nature of our neighborhood" is basically the exact same core idea as someone not wanting any type of infrastructure in their neighborhood, but in case you need a refresher, here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIMBY Plus, if you haven't been to or seen Tempe over the last 20 years, the Tempe Town Lake area and everything north Southern, has basically changed drastically as Tempe tries to convert itself from a college town centered around ASU, to a white collar job/tech job city, and pretty much the entire length of the south side of Tempe Town Lake (itself a huge environmentally-unfriendly waste of taxpayer dollars) went from open lots, parking lots for ASU, and the little bit of Mill Avenue's nightlife scene that was visible, to now 20-30 story office and apartment buildings that clog up the entire south side. So "I didn't want to grift Meruelo" is perfectly fair/reasonable; personally I can't wait for State Farm to announce yet another massive office building in its place, or maybe if Tempe's lucky, instead they'll get like Waste Management to re-develop the landfill and move their headquarters there! Knowing Tempe, they'll instead try to lure Elon again and get him to build something on the landfill site for one of his fraud companies. Ultimately, I doubt the NHL ever does return to AZ, because no-one is going to be willing to foot the bill for a public stadium anymore (which is good); I mean, the Diamondbacks have been teasing leaving for the last few years because they can't get Chase Field essentially re-built, and they've had at least a bit more recent success than the yotes.
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You shouldnt all be blaming each other when we know ultimately this is Auston Matthews fault.
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Schremp Howard posted:I will spend a stupid amount of money on the Kachina Clearance Event. Is there going to be a clearance event? If the NHL is retreating from Arizona with their tail between their legs they might not be wanting to sell the remaining gear. Corporate embarrassment is one thing that can stop the almighty profit motive.
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weird to see most of the thread agree that the Caps move was bullshit that was never gonna fly, but then have folks and say that Arizona voters should have taken a poo poo deal from a poo poo owner for a poo poo pinky promise that would have absolutely failed to even meet a tenth of lovely expectations also lol when Gutierrez got all pissy at some chalk and called it graffiti and vandalizing last year https://fronterasdesk.org/content/1844107/nhl-commissioner-again-pitches-new-arizona-coyotes-venue-tempe-voters the NHL and Coyotes expected to be handed a new stadium on a silver platter and Tempe voters told them to kick rocks, good for them
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Aphrodite posted:You shouldnt all be blaming each other when we know ultimately this is Auston Matthews fault. Auston Matthews on his way to learn mormonese, clearly. All part of the master plan.
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Bump it up to 40 teams but all play is 4on4 now and you only get to dress one goalie
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https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1779162634765381755 Wow the Leafs are basically Vegas
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Murray on his way back from the middle of nowhere to backstop a team to a cup out of nowhere and then fade back into obscurity for another five years.
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Nybble posted:weird to see most of the thread agree that the Caps move was bullshit that was never gonna fly, but then have folks and say that Arizona voters should have taken a poo poo deal from a poo poo owner for a poo poo pinky promise that would have absolutely failed to even meet a tenth of lovely expectations The primary difference is the caps already have a (still very good, quite modern) arena and a great location and the Coyotes are playing in a college stadium. The Alexandria move was a downgrade in every way compared to being in the heart of DC, a hop over to the monuments, museums, or Chinatown e: and granted, from Alexandria's perspective that deal was a godsend because right now it's a bunch of office buildings that are absolutely dead come 5 o'clock that arena would have turned them into a legitimate night time attraction in a heartbeat Good Soldier Svejk fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Apr 13, 2024 |
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Is the Utah Jazz arena hockey capable or we in line for yet another arena fight
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Yeah, people usually just think about players, coaches, and hockey ops who are always moving around anyway as a general expectation of the gig, but every team is a business with its whole staff of people rooted in the area, and it sucks to learn your job is relocating or disappearing. One of the commentators on the game i watched last night (Wild vs Golden Knights, very painful) talked about how awful the move is for the on-site people like the arena workers who are going to lose their jobs which was surprising because up until that point i hadnt heard anything except for how it was going to affect the players and staff that would get moved. He also did it during the game too when people were actually watching & listening.
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Delta Centre isn't a perfect fit as a basketball-specific stadium, but the prospective new owner of the Coyotes also owns that arena and the Utah Jazz. That's huge on its own since the Coyotes have always been tenants in somebody else's house. There are also rumblings of a new hockey arena being built as part of SLC's potential Olympic bid.
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Nybble posted:weird to see most of the thread agree that the Caps move was bullshit that was never gonna fly, but then have folks and say that Arizona voters should have taken a poo poo deal from a poo poo owner for a poo poo pinky promise that would have absolutely failed to even meet a tenth of lovely expectations Or like, two people who are upset that they lost the team because of it where that was never a consideration with Washington.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:and granted, from Alexandria's perspective that deal was a godsend because right now it's a bunch of office buildings that are absolutely dead come 5 o'clock Old Town already does fine at night time and weekends though. The waterfront area is always packed out. Add in game day traffic to Route 1 with no apparent thought to improving metro or parking the plan was barely formed and thus DOA.
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HOLY gently caress posted:One of the commentators on the game i watched last night (Wild vs Golden Knights, very painful) talked about how awful the move is for the on-site people like the arena workers who are going to lose their jobs which was surprising because up until that point i hadnt heard anything except for how it was going to affect the players and staff that would get moved. He also did it during the game too when people were actually watching & listening. Most of the arena staff presumably worked for the university because of Arizona's unique situation, but it's still going to be hundreds of people. Especially in this case where it's not a move or buying the Coyotes entity, it's the contracts being transferred.
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Aphrodite posted:Most of the arena staff presumably worked for the university because of Arizona's unique situation, but it's still going to be hundreds of people. Especially in this case where it's not a move or buying the Coyotes entity, it's the contracts being transferred. Oh thats right, i forgot about it being ASUs arena. Im hoping them being university employees helps their situation even if its a little but uh not holding my breath (wouldnt be surprised if theyre classified as temporary positions in which case you usually get hosed over)
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Nybble posted:Old Town already does fine at night time and weekends though. The waterfront area is always packed out. Add in game day traffic to Route 1 with no apparent thought to improving metro or parking the plan was barely formed and thus DOA. That's a fair point. Old town definitely didn't need it, in practicality it would really been a hand out to southern Arlington and a drain on Old town which is cool as is and just goes to show that staying in DC was the right choice.
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Canned Sunshine posted:I mean, I actually understand and partially agree with the sentiment (hell, what they were proposing for northeast Phoenix, at the corner of Loop-101 and Scottsdale Road, is to completely wipe out the existing native desert and build a 200 acre entertainment district when a giant entertainment district is literally 3-4 miles due west of it). I actually think it's worse to develop barren desert than, say, re-develop a barren old landfill site that just happens to be within a few miles of probably the wealthiest enclave of Tempe residents who already hate the various change that has happened but weirdly haven't done poo poo to stop any of it previously. This right here is such an insane mischaracterization of what happened and theres actual data to prove it, and its actually why the vote failed. All Mereulo and XG thought they had to do was court the wealthy residents of Tempe and it would be a slam dunk and thats why it failed. You can literally look at the data:  That band of green is the wealthiest part of Tempe and as you can see, by far supported it the most because theyre the least affected by it. Everyone else didnt want it.  Note the margins. Tempe 1st spent 35k to get a 13% or more aggregate no vote on each prop vs Tempe Wins 700k. TW and Xavier Gutierrez spent 700k having town halls at random breweries, doing direct mailings and talking to nobody but the richest people in Tempe and they got what they paid for. This isnt a small core of NIMBYs ekeing out a win to stop an arena, a massive amount of residents realized the raw deal for what it was and told them to pound sand. E: we also had record turnout for this vote
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Oh also, the city spent $30,000 to spy on opponents of the arena: https://www.azfamily.com/2023/10/14/attorney-general-investigating-whether-tempe-used-taxpayer-money-spy-citizens/ Corey Woods couldve just joined the MAFW Facebook group for free
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heehee posted:salary cap is good for parity. you're a dork if you think that's the same thing as being a scab lol. If you think the owners are altruistically fighting for a salary cap for the good of Parity, you're an nitwit. Parity has not been appreciably better since the lockout, and the existence of teams like Coyotes blatantly flaunting the salary floor for years demonstrates that they don't give a rats rear end about parity, just suppressing wages. Let's get back to everyone's favorite part of playoff season: Arguing about zoning in relation to the zombie team finally dying!
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