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Speleothing posted:They even changed Duncan's death from "ornithopter explosion" to "cut down by 6 sardaukar" to make his resurrection more plausible. Cut down by sardaukar is how he dies in the first book though?
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he died the same way in the book. in a later book they even give a count of how many guys he killed (19).
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In the first book I thought he died in a cave collapsing from the general chaos of the Harkonnen artillery/stuff crashing/etc. My way of making his resurrection more plausible would have been to have had him get captured and be the healthy gladiator Feyd kills in the arena Are we ready for silver-eyed Jason Mamoa?
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How come no one knows how this dude died lol. Is the book that bad
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he definitely died the same in the first movie as he does in the book, although iirc in the book it basically happens "off screen"
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CelticPredator posted:How come no one knows how this dude died lol. Is the book that bad it's a very good book. some might say "The Good Book."
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CelticPredator posted:How come no one knows how this dude died lol. Is the book that bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBpTkzVkgDY
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CelticPredator posted:How come no one knows how this dude died lol. Is the book that bad It gets hard to keep track.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:It gets hard to keep track. also a good point
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:it's a very good book. some might say "The Good Book." The Good Book, also known as Dune
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The golden book
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Neo Rasa posted:Are we ready for silver-eyed Jason Mamoa? Yes
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CelticPredator posted:How come no one knows how this dude died lol. Is the book that bad No, it's a cornerstone of the genre for a reason. That it came out in the 60s, like there could've been a scene in Mad Men with Roger Sterling reading it, still blows my mind. That said, it's a dense book with a high bar of entry just on account of the details and concepts it throws at the reader inside the first hundred pages (a pretty common criticism of a lot of sci-fi from that era). I'd read A Game of Thrones/A Clash of Kings/A Storm of Swords back in 2003 and Dune around 2007 for a sci-fi/fantasy class in college, and I remember telling myself that if I could keep Martin's houses straight, I could make it through Dune. None of the sequels are as good as the first book, though.
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CelticPredator posted:How come no one knows how this dude died lol. Is the book that bad On average Duncan Idaho died by being crushed in cave
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I actually had an old drunk guy at a train station think my copy of dune was a bible once
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Neo Rasa posted:In the first book I thought he died in a cave collapsing from the general chaos of the Harkonnen artillery/stuff crashing/etc. Duncan Idaho "resurrection" is done by making a clone, and for that all you need is some dna. The novels are build on the premise the DNA store memories of the individual lives. So you can make a clone, and if you find a way to reawaken the original person, is a type of .... extended life. The original body is unnecesary.
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No way that Duncan didn’t leave some dna on Caladan
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beer is the mind-killer. beer is the little-death that brings total obliteration. i will face my beer. i will permit it to pass over me and through me. and when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. where the beer has gone there will be nothing. only I will remain.
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Grag the thunfler posted:beer is the mind-killer. beer is the little-death that brings total obliteration. i will face my beer. i will permit it to pass over me and through me. and when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. where the beer has gone there will be nothing. only I will remain. this is the plot of Doon.
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Tei posted:Duncan Idaho "resurrection" is done by making a clone, and for that all you need is some dna. The novels are build on the premise the DNA store memories of the individual lives. So you can make a clone, and if you find a way to reawaken the original person, is a type of .... extended life. The original body is unnecesary. Yeah but having access to the body might be helpful with getting some DNA
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I don't really know what frank thought DNA was ultimately. It's sort of like the duniverse version of phlogiston or ether basically
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No Mods No Masters posted:I don't really know what frank thought DNA was ultimately. It's sort of like the duniverse version of phlogiston or ether basically If he knew anything other than “stuff in the nucleus of cells” he would’ve been named in a Nobel prize in medicine and been a founder of molecular biology. For example the first academic paper describing the concept of the genetic code was published a year after Dune was published.
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The Tleilaxu (sometimes called the Bene Tleilax), aside from one off-hand mention of them by the Baron, are introduced in Dune Messiah and incorporate a lot of the new research on Genetics that came out after Dune, they are more direct rivals to the Bene Gesserit than the Guild are since they are capable and willing to use direct genetic engineering instead of the selective breeding favored by the Bene Gesserit. They become increasingly important as the series goes on.
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AnEdgelord posted:The Tleilaxu (sometimes called the Bene Tleilax), I always thought it fuckin' ruled that in Phantasy Star II if one of your characters dies, instead of taking them to a church to get resurrected like in Wizardry/etc. fantasy games, you bring them to what is totally a Bene Tleilax cloning lab to get them rebuilt.
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AnEdgelord posted:The Tleilaxu (sometimes called the Bene Tleilax), aside from one off-hand mention of them by the Baron, are introduced in Dune Messiah and incorporate a lot of the new research on Genetics that came out after Dune, they are more direct rivals to the Bene Gesserit than the Guild are since they are capable and willing to use direct genetic engineering instead of the selective breeding favored by the Bene Gesserit. They become increasingly important as the series goes on. It's always funny how old sci fi shamelessly jumps on any new ideas at the time, especially ones the author clearly doesn't quite understand but is still enthusiastic for. Also ends up interesting since the Tleilaxu and Ixians seem to be both reclusive, secretive societies that pursue scientific and technological fields lost or outright forbidden to the rest of the galaxy, and do some mad science poo poo but are treated somewhat neutrally by the narrative and characters. Leto II even seems to be fond of them and encourages their shenanigans. IIRC there's even a bit where they spot a shapeshifting spy, and are basically like 'Hey, I saw you there. Heh, that's a pretty cool trick, wanna hang around?' Despite the setting being a space feudal empire full of ruthless plotting and planning, I feel like a big theme is all the characters are people, and they all have foibles, feelings, senses of wonder and curiosity. Stands out with how much hacky sci fi and fantasy has everyone be stunted incurious fearful morons.
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The Bene Tleilax has spies everywhere, and dna records of everyone important. Specially at arrakis, What I don't know is the relation of the Tleilaxu with the spice, If theres a mention of that in the books, I forgot.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:
dunno how it is in the original book but the "3" body problem Netflix adaptation was unwatchable cause of this
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Having watched Dune 2 twice now it's safe to say it's the best Dune adaptation and there's no real competition. Dune '84 still has the best version of the Baron and much to recommend it, but yeah. I was able to dig up the Sci Fi Channel's Dune/Dune sequel miniseries sets. Their version of the first Dune book in particular, while arguably the most complete adaptation of the book, sucks on many levels. I can mostly forgive the costuming and sets looking like a bad episode of Star Trek Voyager. But the acting is usually dreadful and the effects are clown poo poo. And it's annoying to watch another adaptation of Dune that is again almost nothing but lily white people. The acting and effects are significantly better in Sci Fi's Children of Dune. Unlike the first miniseries, that one's actually enjoyable, although by the plot it is clear that Denis Villeneuve has an uphill battle ahead to make something as coherent with that as his first two movies. The story feels much more "unfilmable" than the original Dune and it will be interesting to see how people react to the general thrust of it.
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Grag the thunfler posted:beer is the mind-killer. beer is the little-death that brings total obliteration. i will face my beer. i will permit it to pass over me and through me. and when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. where the beer has gone there will be nothing. only I will remain. 
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Found this yesterday; a spoof Cartoon Network Dune show.
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Arglebargle III posted:Dune has to be a psychedelic rock opera. There's no other way to adapt it to a musical. It needs to be a concept album and a laser light show at the local planetarium.
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I finally get to watch Dune 2 on my TV. It's glorious.
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Schwarzwald posted:Unless I heavily misunderstood Blood Boils, I think they were primarily noting how Paul had a very particular set of biases, which would have factored into his decision making. I don't think that contradicts him being a powerful oracle or any other of the series premises. Yup! None of the premises are contingent on "the main character is always correct and could never deceive themselves or you dear reader". I rate Herbert well below I dunno, Vance or Farmer, but he's more interesting than that. Certainly no hack like his poor deluded son. Arglebargle III posted:It's Always Zensunni on Arrakis Charlie Goes Mahdi On Everyone's Asses CelticPredator posted:How come no one knows how this dude died lol. Is the book that bad It's good fun, it's just fairly light on detailed descriptions of action. From a distance, Paul sees blood "blossom" on Duncan before a lazer-on-shield subatomic explosion takes out his retainers last stand. Could be a blade cut or pistol shot, doesn't really matter. The best running joke of the series is how everyone thinks Idaho is a sexy badass but he actually just dies constantly and takes several millenia before he learns how to please a woman
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Ghost Leviathan posted:They're not called Hairkonnens Har-koneheads
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Blood Boils posted:It's good fun, it's just fairly light on detailed descriptions of action. From a distance, Paul sees blood "blossom" on Duncan before a lazer-on-shield subatomic explosion takes out his retainers last stand. Could be a blade cut or pistol shot, doesn't really matter. He gets domed by a slow pellet.
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He gets offed by Harkonens rediscovering the ancient long forgotten technological magic of … simple guns? Or am I just misremembering based on the Lynch adaptation? And then Fremen have the secret weapon of like, normal pistols also?
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