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PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

Nothus posted:

What starts as academic make-work eventually filters out into greater professional-class society as students graduate and move on.

It would be so immensely more productive to put all these academics to work digging through archives to build an international, standardised. free and searchable online database of every piece of equipment designed, built and shipped around during WW2. Then just continue with units and formations and other wars when work starts winding down. Heck of a lot of drudgework but it would provide steady employment and some actual value for society (for me).

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scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007

PhilippAchtel posted:

Yeah, that's definitely it. The reason the left hasn't succeeded is due to sex scandals. Poinient analysis.

I don't support the actions you describe to be clear, precisely because they weaken the movement. And yet, I've seen enough revolutionary orgs, both successful and not to know that there will never be an org capable of challenging power which does not experience scandal, often handling it poorly or covering it up. None will ever meet your moral standard, and if you think they do, it's because they either haven't been around long enough, or you just haven't discovered it yet.

Not Hamas, not the ANC, not the Cuban Communists, not Vietnam, not the PSL and not "Firebrand".

That's not an excuse. It's just the reality.

And, I say this with all sincerity, comrade, you need to make your peace with that fact.

You can move from org to org, party to party, trying to find that morally purity, but while you do the real depraved assholes, our mutual enemies continue to rack up the body count.

And it dwarfs every single one of the above parties and orgs. Absolute orders of magnitude.

The real moral standard is how successful you are at challenging that, and that's the standard I apply. When Firebrand reaches that level, and maybe it will, I will support them.

poinient?

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

I was already kinda out by book 5 but i sunk cost fallacied myself all the way to the end. The literal loving Harry Potter sneetches at the end loving killed me

Yeah that was bad but at least kind of fun bad. Book six where he writes himself into the book and then kills off a main character saving him from the guy who irl hit him with a van, who he writes as a pathetic drug addicted alcoholic loser, is absolutely peak wtf are you even doing Steve

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013


poignant is hard to spell okay

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

HashtagGirlboss posted:

He was the best senator in the same way Beau was the best Biden

Didn't he down enough US fighter jets to qualify as a Vietnamese ace?

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

People say this kind of thing but never explain it.

Trotsky was bad because he murdered a bunch of communists at Krondstad, oh wait no I'm being told killing communists is good if they object to secret police and mass arrests.

Oh that's right Trotsky was bad because he opposed Hitler before Operation Barbarossa

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011


God drat it, my phone's spell check hosed me

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

PhilippAchtel posted:

Yeah, that's definitely it. The reason the left hasn't succeeded is due to sex scandals. Poinient analysis.

I don't support the actions you describe to be clear, precisely because they weaken the movement. And yet, I've seen enough revolutionary orgs, both successful and not to know that there will never be an org capable of challenging power which does not experience scandal, often handling it poorly or covering it up. None will ever meet your moral standard, and if you think they do, it's because they either haven't been around long enough, or you just haven't discovered it yet.

Not Hamas, not the ANC, not the Cuban Communists, not Vietnam, not the PSL and not "Firebrand".

That's not an excuse. It's just the reality.

And, I say this with all sincerity, comrade, you need to make your peace with that fact.

You can move from org to org, party to party, trying to find that morally purity, but while you do the real depraved assholes, our mutual enemies continue to rack up the body count.

And it dwarfs every single one of the above parties and orgs. Absolute orders of magnitude.

The real moral standard is how successful you are at challenging that, and that's the standard I apply. When Firebrand reaches that level, and maybe it will, I will support them.

:hmmyes:

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


HashtagGirlboss posted:

Steven King hasn’t written a good book in twenty years anyway. I used to really love the guy when I was a kid and in a fit of nostalgia I asked for some suggestions of more recent works and out of the four ‘really good ones’ people suggested all four were poo poo

he figured out from the Richard Bachman thing that all he needs to do is have the Stephen King name on it to sell so why bother with the story part

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007

PhilippAchtel posted:

God drat it, my phone's spell check hosed me

sure it did

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

stephen king is living proof that some people need to stay on drugs

RandolphCarter
Jul 30, 2005


HashtagGirlboss posted:

Steven King hasn’t written a good book in twenty years anyway. I used to really love the guy when I was a kid and in a fit of nostalgia I asked for some suggestions of more recent works and out of the four ‘really good ones’ people suggested all four were poo poo

I liked revival and 11/22/63

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Jon posted:

democratic control and transparency, insular and exclusionary organizing, specialized oppression in their own organizations has kept the left from uniting for a century and a half. It's never the case that this is due to the oppressed objecting to their oppression- it is *always* the fault of the oppressors and their apologists.

:words: anarchism :words:

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011


:negative:

Never gonna live this down

Jon
Nov 30, 2004

opposing oppression is basic Leninism actually

ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019



:420::toot::420:

comedyblissoption posted:

donald trump weaponizing genocide joe like lyin ted im going to die

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022
Probation
Can't post for 12 hours!

VitalSigns posted:

Trotsky was bad because he murdered a bunch of communists at Krondstad, oh wait no I'm being told killing communists is good if they object to secret police and mass arrests.

Oh that's right Trotsky was bad because he opposed Hitler before Operation Barbarossa

stfu

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

ngl trump should 100% weaponize the genocide joe stuff easy win for him

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

RandolphCarter posted:

I liked revival and 11/22/63

Didn’t read the first but the second was one of the four. It had its moments but mostly it was a really bad boring nostalgia romp where the narrative read like a 70 year old trying way to hard to imagine the inner world of a guy in his 30s in 2010 and just failing repeatedly

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000

Ultra Carp

FistEnergy posted:

incredible stuff. just send Joe to live on a farm today, why wait

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

lol the other other bad thread monday-morning qb'ing the iran strike ftw

RandolphCarter
Jul 30, 2005


HashtagGirlboss posted:

Didn’t read the first but the second was one of the four. It had its moments but mostly it was a really bad boring nostalgia romp where the narrative read like a 70 year old trying way to hard to imagine the inner world of a guy in his 30s in 2010 and just failing repeatedly

read revival, one of the rare king books with a good ending. or don’t, I have trash taste.

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

I got recommended 11/22/63 (bad), fairy tale (really horrendously bad), dr sleep (not great but kind of ok), and duma key (not really what I was looking for out of king but I guess the least bad of the four, by virtue of the inner monologue being someone of the same general generation as king and so at least plausibly believable)

RandolphCarter posted:

read revival, one of the rare king books with a good ending. or don’t, I have trash taste.

If I get the urge again I’ll try but honestly I think I’ve had my fill of the dude after those four

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

I still cry when they John Coffee fries

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

John died, LALD cried

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?
Pet Semetary was King's last good horror novel before he bloated out of control and got silly, and Skeleton Crew was his last decent batch of short stories. The Stand sucks rear end and "It" needs to be cut down by at least 50% including That Scene

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Dr. Jerrold Coe posted:

Pet Semetary was King's last good horror novel before he bloated out of control and got silly, and Skeleton Crew was his last decent batch of short stories. The Stand sucks rear end and "It" needs to be cut down by at least 50% including That Scene

You’re probably right about It and I keep meaning to go back and reread it one of these days to find out but as a kid who had a pretty rough childhood and lost a sibling pretty young it really resonated with me at age 13 in a way that few novels have, sorry for the over share I guess but that’s my truth

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Jon posted:

opposing oppression is basic Leninism actually

Oppression, aka discipline, is the thing tying together socialist movements that contested and won power, versus those that didn't.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

VitalSigns posted:

Trotsky was bad because he murdered a bunch of communists at Krondstad, oh wait no I'm being told killing communists is good if they object to secret police and mass arrests.

Oh that's right Trotsky was bad because he opposed Hitler before Operation Barbarossa

what the gently caress is this. Trotsky collaborated with Hitler.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

lmao, the succers are now praising biden's restraint for not wanting to bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb iran.

https://twitter.com/ChrisDJackson/status/1779292381080129741

I will say that biden not taking netanyahu's bait for going to war against iran is one of the few good things he's done (or rather not done) as president.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

also lol that the pics of biden these days all have him wearing shades so you can't see his beady lil old-people eyes.

(monitor status: on)

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
isnt that an ai generated image

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

if so, they could've de-aged him a tad more imo

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

from the nyt/siena poll:



all that democrat branding for naught.

I wish they'd had another one for biden.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

americans think back to 2020, year of the pandemic, and say to themselves, those were our *good* times...

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000

Ultra Carp
I can't wait to vote for JOE BIDEN!

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

https://x.com/HuffPostPol/status/1779522222962454918

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007


very much so, the feared anti ship missiles were shot down en masse. The Axis revealed a very weak hand.

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mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.
larouche started as a trot lol

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