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I'm heading back to visit the UK this summer. I have no UK address, no utility bills, and my phone doesn't accept the google play framework. It's going to be a ton of fun getting through those ~2 weeks, I'm sure.
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Sentient Data posted:gently caress voter id, just go full on finger-in-ink. Better than a little "i voted" sticker too! Yeah until 10 years later we find out the ink contains some carcinogens cause someone could save a few cents.
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"people generally follow the rules even though they're not enforced" is definitely a valid reason to avoid implementing enforcement mechanisms; the last few years have proven that a norms-based political system is robust and resilient to bad actors.
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Most countries are not psycho rogue states like the USA
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Cerekk posted:"people generally follow the rules even though they're not enforced" is definitely a valid reason to avoid implementing enforcement mechanisms; the last few years have proven that a norms-based political system is robust and resilient to bad actors. It's illegal to vote as someone else, seems like it gets "enforced" by punishment of people doing it. It's just insanely loving rare for people to actually vote as someone else. What's not rare is the thousands of people losing the ability to vote because they don't have the specific kind of ID suddenly required for voters. Insane & frankly evil to prioritize stopping the rare law breaker knowing exactly what the requirement also causes
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Cerekk posted:"people generally follow the rules even though they're not enforced" is definitely a valid reason to avoid implementing enforcement mechanisms; the last few years have proven that a norms-based political system is robust and resilient to bad actors. Lol @ using this argument to restrict voting rights over poo poo that doesn't even happen
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deep dish peat moss posted:AI generated articles are a hoot I don't blame Ai for that. I blame human beings. A productive article for growing flowers should have bullet points like: - Test the hardness of the ground, - the ground should have a ph level of ... - make sure a certain amount of hours of sun is directly on that area - etc etc All the human made articles, where the writers insert time-wasting bits of fake poetics, that forced the Ai to create that Garbage-Out sentence "Flowers are like teenager you have to hose them down." mazzi Chart Czar fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Apr 14, 2024 |
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Apr 14, 2024 16:09
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AARD VARKMAN posted:It's illegal to vote as someone else, seems like it gets "enforced" by punishment of people doing it. It's just insanely loving rare for people to actually vote as someone else. What's not rare is the thousands of people losing the ability to vote because they don't have the specific kind of ID suddenly required for voters. Insane & frankly evil to prioritize stopping the rare law breaker knowing exactly what the requirement also causes Nobody gets punished for doing it as evidenced by the "there have only been 14 cases of voter fraud" argument. Like, my dad alone has illegally voted in my name more times than that If solving a problem creates an undesirable consequence, then solve the consequence instead of saying "let's not bother solving problems"
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Apr 14, 2024 16:15
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Cerekk posted:If solving a problem creates an undesirable consequence, then solve the consequence instead of saying "let's not bother solving problems" It's not an undesirable consequence. It's the intended outcome. "stopping voter fraud" is just a fig-leaf.
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Apr 14, 2024 16:17
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POSIWID. The Purpose Of A System Is What It Does.
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wash bucket posted:It's not an undesirable consequence. It's the intended outcome. "stopping voter fraud" is just a fig-leaf. It is both the intended outcome of the right and an undesirable consequence for the left. Except that ensuring votes are cast legally is an objective good, and the left would rather complain that the right's motives are disingenuous than take any actual action to implement policy that eliminates voter fraud without suppressing legal votes.
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Apr 14, 2024 17:05
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MikeJF posted:POSIWID. The Purpose Of A System Is What It Does. Is this an existing concept? Or did you just invent it?
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Cerekk posted:Nobody gets punished for doing it as evidenced by the "there have only been 14 cases of voter fraud" argument. Obviously you have reported your inability to vote in at least 15 elections ya? Maybe this time they'll capture the crime lord.
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Apr 14, 2024 17:10
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Dad just going down to the polls to do an illegal voting
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Obviously you have reported your inability to vote in at least 15 elections ya? Maybe this time they'll capture the crime lord. Sounds like the people who get their whole identity stolen by their parents and their credit ruined, but don't do anything because it's family
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Don't worry, I vote too because we're in a couple of blue states that make no attempt to prevent things like multiple voting.
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Apr 14, 2024 18:00
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Cerekk posted:Don't worry, I vote too because we're in a couple of blue states that make no attempt to prevent things like multiple voting. You've convinced me. We should implement voter ID laws in your state. We know from experience those laws will be used to suppress many thousands of legitimate votes but it will be worth it to stop your lovely dad.
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Cerekk posted:Don't worry, I vote too because we're in a couple of blue states that make no attempt to prevent things like multiple voting. See, this is actually impossible in Sweden. Probably in the UK, too? Surely each person is listed at only one polling station, and gets crossed off as they vote?
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redshirt posted:Is this an existing concept? Or did you just invent it? It's a pretty well known dictum in systems planning.
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Quick google says 10 convictions for voter fraud in last 5 years, half of which resulted in a caution(no punishment). Really worth making it more difficult for everyone in the country to vote, particularly poorer people.
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Apr 14, 2024 18:19
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Cabal Ties posted:Quick google says 10 convictions for voter fraud in last 5 years, half of which resulted in a caution(no punishment). No, see we just need to invent a voter ID law that can't be abused to benefit one political party. I have a few other proposed changes while we're at it:
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Apr 14, 2024 18:24
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wash bucket posted:No, see we just need to invent a voter ID law that can't be abused to benefit one political party. I have a few other proposed changes while we're at it: It would be incredibly simple to make it free and easy to get an ID
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Cerekk posted:Don't worry, I vote too because we're in a couple of blue states that make no attempt to prevent things like multiple voting. If it were me in your position, I'd probably report the issue to responsible authorities for enforcement instead of desiring harsher laws for everyone. Is that not an option? Seems like it's literally in your hands to prevent voter fraud but you can't be bothered
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Cerekk posted:Don't worry, I vote too because we're in a couple of blue states that make no attempt to prevent things like multiple voting. 
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:See, this is actually impossible in Sweden. Probably in the UK, too? Surely each person is listed at only one polling station, and gets crossed off as they vote? It is probably true that at any one of the 166,990 individual precincts, any one individual is not listed more than once. And it is probably also true that in some of the 50 states, there is sufficient coordination to ensure an individual votes in only one precinct in that state.
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Apr 14, 2024 18:37
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Cerekk posted:It would be incredibly simple to make it free and easy to get an ID And yet they do the exact opposite. Almost as if: MikeJF posted:POSIWID. The Purpose Of A System Is What It Does.
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Cerekk posted:It would be incredibly simple to make it free and easy to get an ID lol we got a brain genius here folks E. Jfc this guy . Has you thought about instituting a poll tax or poll test yet, too? Brother Tadger fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Apr 14, 2024 |
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Apr 14, 2024 19:28
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wash bucket posted:And yet they do the exact opposite. Almost as if: Wow it's almost as if there's a false dichotomy between a system that makes it easy to vote illegitimately and a system that makes it hard to vote legitimately.
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Cerekk I feel like you should go to D&D and talk about your dad's illegal voting there.
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mazzi Chart Czar posted:I don't blame Ai for that. I blame human beings. loving this. Anything that is instructional should have a clear bullet point system. Instructions in general have gotten worse. It's gone from lovely translated English, to loving confusing drawings, or even worse a random link to a YouTube video. I was trying to set up a new carseat and it was a stick figure drawing of a baby with a red x beside it, then a drawing with a tick. No clue what the difference was. Then if you were still confused there was a video, which had ads, took ages to get to the relevant details, aND waaas naRated buy thi DoOble kiNG Knaaaives person.
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Man, Republicans really got shittier for some reason after '68.
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Cerekk posted:ensuring votes are cast legally is an objective good Something being legal is axiomatically good? I feel like you're just riffing here but.. come on.
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Cerekk posted:It is probably true that at any one of the 166,990 individual precincts, any one individual is not listed more than once. And it is probably also true that in some of the 50 states, there is sufficient coordination to ensure an individual votes in only one precinct in that state. No, see, we're discussing the UK here. Allegedly it has gotten shittier for no good reason. IDGAF about how the U.S. voting system is broken on account of having no national record of people; it's well-trodden ground. My point is in the UK, like in Sweden, it should be impossible to vote twice because of how the polling works. (Also because the state knows who lives in it, unlike any U.S. government.) https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/resources/welcome-your-vote/how-vote quote:Before the day of the election, known as polling day, you’ll receive a card, called a poll card. Since any voter has to be registered in advance, vote at their place of residency, etc, the requirement for an ID seems like a smaller overreach than it would in any U.S. jurisdiction. Hippie Hedgehog fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Apr 14, 2024 |
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Most and maybe all US voting has an assigned polling location and has a record of when someone done voted, with a signature that is compared to the signature obtained during registration. If you attempt to vote at a different precinct or if the record shows that you've already voted like our genius goon here it'll become a provisional ballot that may or may not be counted per however the state or county process it. Maybe there will be a criminal pursuit but usually the non matching signature is discarded. Trying to vote in multiple states gets messier as that becomes federal. Our little idiot here has been bamboozled by their father for seemingly 15 to 60 years, depending on off year elections, because they're full of poo poo.
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Just fyi that’s exactly how it works in the US with regard to polling place registration. It’s just the method of poll registration is voluntary (generally you sign up for your local polling station when you change your mailing address with the postal office or renew your drivers license/ID) E. Beat
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why would anyone play by the rules when its more convenient not to
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Most and maybe all US voting has an assigned polling location and has a record of when someone done voted, with a signature that is compared to the signature obtained during registration. If you attempt to vote at a different precinct or if the record shows that you've already voted like our genius goon here it'll become a provisional ballot that may or may not be counted per however the state or county process it. Maybe there will be a criminal pursuit but usually the non matching signature is discarded. Trying to vote in multiple states gets messier as that becomes federal. Gee can't imagine a world where people don't have consistent signatures. Nope. Sure can't. We all work at "real" jobs and sign things constantly so our signatures is just are just like a thumb print. Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Apr 15, 2024 |
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Duck and Cover posted:Gee can't imagine a world where people don't have consistent signatures. Nope. Sure can't. We all work at real jobs and sign things constantly so our signatures is just are just like a thumb print. OK so the signature thing is silly, and the thing about how "provisional ballots may or may not be counted per however the state or county process it" is the type of thing that leads to lawsuits winning someone a presidential election (which seems more difficult to handle than simply discarding the invalid ballot, by whatever heuristic you prefer), but what really is broken about this is how there is no advance guarantee that, just because a person is registered to vote in a state, that person physically exists and is legally entitled to vote.
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Duck and Cover posted:Gee can't imagine a world where people don't have consistent signatures. Nope. Sure can't. We all work at real jobs and sign things constantly so our signatures is just are just like a thumb print. I've gotten the WA state "please confirm this is you" quite a few times because i went through a period of time where i was adjusting my signature and hand grip lol
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