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Ardennes posted:Gorbachev and his buddies really did want the system to die. Personally I think Gorbachev was so revolted by Stalin's excesses and perceived failures (grandparents arrested, family members died in famines as a kid, etc.) that he made himself into a rube who bought the idea that a liberalized social democracy could still do communism and he was as much of a rube as all the people in the SSRs that thought they could liberalize their economies without the benefits of the social economy being obliterated in the process. Seeing ones' society's own problems and the difficulty of that system to account for its own mistakes, he bought into the idea that all of the good parts of the society could be preserved under a super-structure that was designed from the outset to destroy those things. In the end though, intent doesn't really matter.
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Actually, the US is going to win WWIII. Look at the opening weeks of Gulf War I & II, or any sort of involvement in a shooting war Nato/US had in the past 20+ years. They usually start like this... Opening barrage of Cruise Missiles to disrupt Command, Communications, and Air defense Another barrage of Cruise Missiles to mop up anything above that didn't get destroyed. Another barrage of Cruise Missiles to take out Airfields and their Aircraft. A follow-up barrage of Cruise Missiles to take out anything above that was spared. A barrage to take out transportation infrastructure. Another to take out troop/vehicle concentrations. And this is usually happening for hours, days, or even weeks before they send in stealth or non-stealth aircraft. Now that they have operational F-22s and F-35s, these actions can be happening in conjunction with the above missile attacks, on a much larger scale than they could previously do with the F-117 and B2. If there was some scenario where NATO put boot on the ground, you're going to see any piece of Russian equipment larger than an Chinese Golf Cart, HAM radio, or mortar tube eating a cruise missile or a JDAM before anyone even thinks of firing up an Abrams engine.
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1) r/noncredibledefense 2) GBS 3) Trump Thread
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BitcoinRockefeller posted:Actually, the US is going to win WWIII. Look at the opening weeks of Gulf War I & II, or any sort of involvement in a shooting war Nato/US had in the past 20+ years. They usually start like this...
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this is a very funny video if you have an hour to watch a liberal try to imagine a world where financial gravity doesn't exist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqjvTKFufuk
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With the general buzz about how long Iran took to launch their attack, do people have an unrealistic expectation for how long such attacks take to prepare and launch? It's extremely common to hear posters talk of something being slow because of military ineptitude or political chaos and never just from the tedious logistics of things. Even if missiles can be launched quickly in theory targets still need to be selected, verified, launchers prepared, coordination between sites, coordination with civilian air traffic, etc. Obviously Iran has lots of 'Attack Israel' plans but they aren't running a trillion dollar military so I can imagine not all parts of a plan are necessarily kept constantly updated. I dunno how much prep is needed to go from a vague plan on the shelf to a practical one ready to distribute to officers. Iran may have special limitations because of the constant specter of US/IDF attack so I dunno how many of their assets can be left in 'go position' for such things as opposed to being buried in hardened bunkers. For that matter, what are these lightning attacks that people think of when they declare various non-Western operations ponderous? Any US operation I can think of that is more significant than randomly bombing some weddings is the result of lengthy planning and preparation. I think Grenada was pretty quickly thrown together, but beyond invading a tiny place it was also nearly unopposed so its not a great example. One of the few major actually opposed operations the US has conducted since Vietnam, the Battle of Fallujah, had lengthy planning and moved at a snail's pace. The incredibly slow buildup for both Iraqi wars is certainly always underestimated.
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FuzzySlippers posted:With the general buzz about how long Iran took to launch their attack, do people have an unrealistic expectation for how long such attacks take to prepare and launch? Usually you don't announce when you launch your lawnmowers so there's less waiting involved. Also you don't start from three countries over, as a rule.
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hey what’s the deal with Grenada? Why did Reagan even invade it? what happened afterwards?
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poisonpill posted:hey what’s the deal with Grenada? Why did Reagan even invade it? what happened afterwards? "I mean, you don't even like nutmeg..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bebkaSDAaA4
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FuzzySlippers posted:With the general buzz about how long Iran took to launch their attack, do people have an unrealistic expectation for how long such attacks take to prepare and launch? I don't think that time was driven by military necessity for the most part. This was a pretty big and unexpected escalation by Israel to blow up a consulate building on the territory of an uninvolved third party and deciding how to respond to that (and letting the various objections play out at the UN) and waiting for the full extent of the damage at the consulate to be known to justify the magnitude of the response no doubt played the major part.
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The Oldest Man posted:Actually, the US is going to win WWIII. Look at the opening weeks of Gulf War I & II, or any sort of involvement in a shooting war Nato/US had in the past 20+ years. They usually start like this... My favorite thing is CIA brought off the Saddam generals ahead of the war so they wouldn't follow the order to fight. It's like selling a magic show as a real supernatural act. If buying off enemy generals works in other wars, the Ukrainians would be fighting in Crimea right now.
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Poland was considered one of the most committed members of Warsaw Pact, and the Polish military was entrusted with the toughest missions, both in '68 and in a theoretical clash with NATO. I have no idea why because basically everything you will see published in English is about how the Polish people yearned for freedom under Thats what I find disheartening thelis idea that actually know one in the Warsaw Pact actually beleived in or supported Communism and they all yearned for the freedom the Wermacht rolled in on the liberty panzers
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poisonpill posted:hey what’s the deal with Grenada? Why did Reagan even invade it? what happened afterwards? You ever play the game Tropico? That's what happens when your relations with the US get too low. They needed to accept a Soviet military base to prevent it but I guess they didn't get around to it.
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stephenthinkpad posted:My favorite thing is CIA brought off the Saddam generals ahead of the war so they wouldn't follow the order to fight. RIP hotdog man
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How Iran’s attack on Israel was stoppedquote:Iran’s widely anticipated missile and drone attack was defeated with the orchestrated help of the US, UK and Jordan who, alongside the Israeli military, ensured that all but a handful of ballistic missiles were neutralised overnight. Iran are losers and failures, the West is triumphant again. quote:Brig Gen Reem Aminoach, a former financial adviser to the IDF chief of staff, told Israel’s Ynet News that an Arrow missile typically costs $3.5m (£2.8m) a time, and David’s Sling interceptors $1m (£800,000). Adding up the cost of eliminating 100 ballistic missiles, plus the costs of the whole air defence campaign, is “an order of magnitude of 4 to 5 billion shekels (£850m to £1.1bn)”, he estimated. It's probably always going to be fine. We will never lose
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KomradeX posted:Thats what I find disheartening thelis idea that actually know one in the Warsaw Pact actually beleived in or supported Communism and they all yearned for the freedom the Wermacht rolled in on the liberty panzers It actually drives me crazy about the English language scholarship. Then you read something unrelated, like that book about the Rosenstrasse protest, and it's like "oh by the way, this woman and her husband defected to East Germany, after many of their friends and work associates did, and they charmingly and stubbornly remain devoted communists to this day" which is treaty as a quaint eccentricity since it was written in 1995. "She doesn't seem very appreciative that lox is more easily available in the united Germany". You'll see that over and over in footnotes, "Oh by the way, this person said Stalin was the greatest thing to happen to Romania, but other than that peculiarity, here's his contribution to Thraceology." "As a researcher on the Getae, he received funding under the People's Republic of Bulgaria, which he referred to as 'the greatest period in Bulgarian arts and sciences'. He became politically active on the issue of funding the discipline, running as a communist in the local elections against the party of the restored Tsar Simeon II in 1993."
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:However, the attack was also expensive for Iran, with ballistic missiles generally costing upwards of £80,000. The US estimates Tehran had about 3,000, the largest arsenal in the Middle East. tell me you got completely owned by telling me very hard you didn't got owned
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My enemies threw their pocket change at me and I defeated them by mortgaging my house, massive W
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:It actually drives me crazy about the English language scholarship. Then you read something unrelated, like that book about the Rosenstrasse protest, and it's like "oh by the way, this woman and her husband defected to East Germany, after many of their friends and work associates did, and they charmingly and stubbornly remain devoted communists to this day" which is treaty as a quaint eccentricity since it was written in 1995. "She doesn't seem very appreciative that lox is more easily available in the united Germany". That's what the communists get for losing the cold war. You and your base gets erased from the history books except as an example of the bad guys. The lesson here is that you should simply not lose.
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Considering who you're posting at, could've summed up with vae victis.
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I don't speak French.
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mila kunis posted:The lesson here is that you should simply not lose. A lesson that modern "progressive" and left political organizations seem determined to not learn
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The Oldest Man posted:A lesson that modern "progressive" and left political organizations seem determined to not learn that's like blaming an ant for being stepped on
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mila kunis posted:that's like blaming an ant for being stepped on Skill issue.
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genericnick posted:Usually you don't announce when you launch your lawnmowers so there's less waiting involved. Also you don't start from three countries over, as a rule. Geography is what it is, Iran doesn't have a massive genocide machine to call.upon like The West does
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The Oldest Man posted:I don't think that time was driven by military necessity for the most part. This was a pretty big and unexpected escalation by Israel to blow up a consulate building on the territory of an uninvolved third party and deciding how to respond to that (and letting the various objections play out at the UN) and waiting for the full extent of the damage at the consulate to be known to justify the magnitude of the response no doubt played the major part. but what makes you think that military necessity doesn't drive some of the pace? Unlike hand grenade uavs that somebody might be just loving around on an app this scale of attack would seem to require a lot more effort. They are flying across the continent against defended positions that need to be assessed and the entire strike has to be configured and coordinated to handle defenses and any issues of geography. I just can't imagine this is a simple process though I suppose, not surprisingly, I've never read a lot of technical details on how it all works on this kind of strategic scale. Even for professionals training at this for years it just seems likely it could take a lot of time to properly plan and execute. It feels like the internet assumption is that once someone decides to do a missile strike there's just a little cutscene and then drones and missiles are flying away in hours. Even if it isn't new or revolutionary technology that doesn't make it simple to do (insert here the endless simple things the US has forgotten how to do since WW2 lol). ICBMs have been around forever, but I'm sure every launch still requires a fair amount of effort.
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FuzzySlippers posted:but what makes you think that military necessity doesn't drive some of the pace? Unlike hand grenade uavs that somebody might be just loving around on an app this scale of attack would seem to require a lot more effort. They are flying across the continent against defended positions that need to be assessed and the entire strike has to be configured and coordinated to handle defenses and any issues of geography. I just can't imagine this is a simple process though I suppose, not surprisingly, I've never read a lot of technical details on how it all works on this kind of strategic scale. Even for professionals training at this for years it just seems likely it could take a lot of time to properly plan and execute. they absolutely have stuff ready to go before they need it, think about it for a second its not like they haven't known who they're gonna fight they just haven't known when like that planning needed done but they definitely did it all years ago, what else would they have been doing all this time they were clearing up the political side so they didn't set poo poo off
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mila kunis posted:that's like blaming an ant for being stepped on Horseshoe theory posted:Skill issue.
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poisonpill posted:hey what’s the deal with Grenada? Why did Reagan even invade it? what happened afterwards? It was a farce orchestrated to get the embarassing Beirut bombing deaths and defeat of 241 troop ripbozos killed in their barracks that happened 2 days earlier out of the news and grab a ‘win’
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KomradeX posted:Geography is what it is, Iran doesn't have a massive genocide machine to call.upon like The West does They could launch drones from western Iraq
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Weka posted:They could launch drones from western Iraq But that's probably not covered by their air defense, right?
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Iran did the revenge operation so slowly because they wanted to go through the UN first and let 3rd party countries take a side or not take a side; then Iran gave time to let regional neighboring countries take a side, especially the ones that have US bases (2 smaller and more neutral countries Qatar and Kuwait took the "don't get your fights near me" stand). What Iran took time and set a low ceiling of the conflict. When you do it slowly, it minimizes the chance of military generals overstepping decision making for the political leaders. I think it can serve as a escalation model in a potential Taiwan strait crisis.
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stephenthinkpad posted:Iran did the revenge operation so slowly because they wanted to go through the UN first and let 3rd party countries take a side or not take a side; then Iran gave time to let regional neighboring countries take a side, especially the ones that have US bases (2 smaller and more neutral countries Qatar and Kuwait took the "don't get your fights near me" stand). yep
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genericnick posted:But that's probably not covered by their air defense, right? Some of this Iranian attack was shot down by ground based interceptors over Erbil, in Iraqi Kurdistan. I'm not sure by who, Israel & America both have a presence there, but I presume the later.
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I feel like iran might be trying to keep themselves to a proportionate response, though i realize that this may be a strange and foreign concept to westoids
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Cerebral Bore posted:I feel like iran might be trying to keep themselves to a proportionate response, though i realize that this may be a strange and foreign concept to westoids We destroyed half of China because they boarded and searched the Arrow and lowered the Red Ensign.
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