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I think Inscryption is a better example than Outer Wilds, you can at least describe any part of OW without spoiling things
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While Outer Wilds is marketed on the time loop, I think it'd be far more interesting going into the game without that knowledge. I mean, the revelation only hits once but I'd love to see the sort of, like "Okay I'll check out that planet now....wait what's that light? Wait what?"
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Morpheus posted:While Outer Wilds is marketed on the time loop, I think it'd be far more interesting going into the game without that knowledge. I mean, the revelation only hits once but I'd love to see the sort of, like "Okay I'll check out that planet now....wait what's that light? Wait what?" Yeah, that'd be awesome if they could pull it off, but I don't know how it would work realistically once the game's out. I think about that sometimes for games and movies in particular, like watching Predator thinking it's just about commandos in the jungle, or From Dusk Till Dawn thinking it's a regular crime film. I know there are other games that have made me think that too, I'm just drawing a blank at the moment. I occasionally hear stories about individual folks who go into stuff like that with no context, but I just don't know how it would work more generally once the topic becomes popular enough to be widely discussed.
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Occasionally you have indie games marketed to be about one simple thing, and when you start playing it starts off as that and then quickly morphs into some entirly other thing. I think one of the first of the indies to do that was some side scrolling pony game that turned into a horror thing. The idea being that all the marketing will actually be done word of mouth/youtubers reacting and what not.
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dr_rat posted:Occasionally you have indie games marketed to be about one simple thing, and when you start playing it starts off as that and then quickly morphs into some entirly other thing. I think one of the first of the indies to do that was some side scrolling pony game that turned into a horror thing. Pony Island is the game you're talking about, a previous work by the same guy who did Inscryption. There might be a little bit of a trend there.
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But even then its predated by Eversion.
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Captain Hygiene posted:Yeah, that'd be awesome if they could pull it off, but I don't know how it would work realistically once the game's out. I think about that sometimes for games and movies in particular, like watching Predator thinking it's just about commandos in the jungle, or From Dusk Till Dawn thinking it's a regular crime film. I know there are other games that have made me think that too, I'm just drawing a blank at the moment.
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Everyone should play Eversion. Look at how cute it is
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Sometimes I wonder what it'd be like to play Doki Doki Literature Club blind as a dating sim since it does string you along for like an hour before suddenly switching gears. I assume it must've caught some people by virtue of being a good looking game that was free when it first came out, but I think the steam version picked up the psychological horror tag pretty quick.
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yook posted:I assume it must've caught some people by virtue of being a good looking game that was free when it first came out, but I think the steam version picked up the psychological horror tag pretty quick. Is that not just a standard tag for anime dating sims?
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It is not a very good game overall, but I quite liked the moment in Indigo Prophecy where Lucas(?) Is finally cornered by the police. Up until then it was mostly trying to escape the police and hunting down leads on what you are. Then this happens. It was just pretending to be a police procedural game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qT6xOPZU3E The game somehow goes even further off the rails from here and never returns. And this dude has already hallucinated giant bedbugs attacking his office building by this point. CJacobs has a new favorite as of 08:03 on Apr 15, 2024 |
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dr_rat posted:Is that not just a standard tag for anime dating sims? It's a standard tag for pretty much every game.
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Genre shifts in games can be quite fun because they lend themselves to messing with the set dressing, mixing the 'game' elements with the aesthetics in ways that play on your expectations. Of course a lot have a tendency to almost feel like they're trying to guilt trip you for playing them, but the better ones also mess with that expectation as well. Eversion is a fun one since it both plays on those themes and also actually just follows good game design when it continues to mess around with the mechanics and introduce new concepts throughout the entire game.
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Morpheus posted:While Outer Wilds is marketed on the time loop, I think it'd be far more interesting going into the game without that knowledge. I mean, the revelation only hits once but I'd love to see the sort of, like "Okay I'll check out that planet now....wait what's that light? Wait what?" That's what happened to me. I went in completely blind based only on vague recommendations and was surprised by the loop. The effect was somewhat spoiled by me being either inside a structure or on the wrong side of a planet the first couple of loops. It wasn't until the third iteration that I actually saw what happened 
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I'm early into Dragon's Dogma, but I love how hopping on the back of a griffin usually ends in a chaotic mess. I've had one careen into a oxcart that was having it's own separate fight with goblins and lizardmen, another buck me off into a river, and the last one drowned in the same river after I stabbed it in the head and froze it in midair. I only survived with a pixel of health because I lost grip as it was falling, and landed on a rock. 10/10, makes me want to start a recording when I spot one in the wild.
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Captain Hygiene posted:Yeah, that'd be awesome if they could pull it off, but I don't know how it would work realistically once the game's out. I think about that sometimes for games and movies in particular, like watching Predator thinking it's just about commandos in the jungle, or From Dusk Till Dawn thinking it's a regular crime film. I know there are other games that have made me think that too, I'm just drawing a blank at the moment. I know this isn't related to video games, and I understand where you're coming from, but I keep seeing people use Predator as an example for "seeing the movie blind". The opening shot of the film is the Predator ship arriving at Earth. It's literally spoiled at the start of the film. Terminator 2 works for this though. My wife only saw Terminator 1 and 2 recently, and she was honestly surprised at the plot twist.
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Leal posted:Everyone should play Eversion. Look at how cute it is
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Detective Buttfuck posted:I'm early into Dragon's Dogma, but I love how hopping on the back of a griffin usually ends in a chaotic mess. The one time I stayed on the back of a griffin, it flew over the sea, glitched out, and basically blinked into the water and died.
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Well it ain’t called a swimmin
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Hirayuki posted:There's a great LP of it in the archives! It is a cute love story. Everyone needs to play it.
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CJacobs posted:It is not a very good game overall, but I quite liked the moment in Indigo Prophecy where Lucas(?) Is finally cornered by the police. Up until then it was mostly trying to escape the police and hunting down leads on what you are. Then this happens. It was just pretending to be a police procedural game. Indigo Prophecy is a good game up until a specific moment where it just shits the bed completely and never recovers; The Super Saiyan Rooftop Fight.
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Randalor posted:I know this isn't related to video games, and I understand where you're coming from, but I keep seeing people use Predator as an example for "seeing the movie blind". The opening shot of the film is the Predator ship arriving at Earth. It's literally spoiled at the start of the film. I wonder if that opening shot was something that an exec forced in because they didn't want viewers to be confused about what the premise of the movie was. Something very similar happens in Dark City, where there's an opening voiceover that lays out the big reveal and completely undercuts the first ~30 minutes of the movie.
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The best way to see Predator for the first time is to be stuck in line buying theatre nachos and sodas while the previews are rolling and miss the first couple of minutes of the movie looking for a seat.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I wonder if that opening shot was something that an exec forced in because they didn't want viewers to be confused about what the premise of the movie was. Something very similar happens in Dark City, where there's an opening voiceover that lays out the big reveal and completely undercuts the first ~30 minutes of the movie. From what I've heard, it was tacked on after the fact, yeah.
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Randalor posted:I know this isn't related to video games, and I understand where you're coming from, but I keep seeing people use Predator as an example for "seeing the movie blind". The opening shot of the film is the Predator ship arriving at Earth. It's literally spoiled at the start of the film. Whoops - it's been too long since I saw it. But yeah, I always thought the movie would be way better without it, so much so that I forgot it was in there. Randalor posted:Terminator 2 works for this though. My wife only saw Terminator 1 and 2 recently, and she was honestly surprised at the plot twist. That reminds me, I actually did have this experience too! I never saw too much about the movies ahead of time, outside of a few catchphrases with no context, and it totally got me when the terminators meet up at the mall. It was great, it's easy to see how telegraphed it is on a rewatch, but my initial assumptions were too strong the first time around.
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Yep. Absolute surprise that Predator is about an alien https://youtu.be/XY6d4LGd8YM?si=cRZPwvcqQQH3cw2N Wait no, the opposite of that
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Captain Hygiene posted:That reminds me, I actually did have this experience too! I never saw too much about the movies ahead of time, outside of a few catchphrases with no context, and it totally got me when the terminators meet up at the mall. It was great, it's easy to see how telegraphed it is on a rewatch, but my initial assumptions were too strong the first time around. It was kind of a weird situation in the contemporaneous mediascape too. Arnold was a relative unknown in the first movie, so he could be an icy killer robot and nobody would have a problem with that. But by the second one he had become one of the biggest movie stars in the world on the back of the whole 80s action movie phenomenon so he was now part of a formula and a gigantic Brand. Nobody wanted or expected him to play a villain any more even though the movie tries to pretend there is some uncertainty there for as long as it can James Cameron did an absolutely masterful job communicating that this guy isn't the icy killer robot you remember- by having him crash a biker bar butt naked and beat the poo poo out of everyone in it and take all their stuff. Those are not things a good guy is supposed to do! But it still gives you the sense that things are different from the first movie
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If a story relies on a plot twist for its enjoyment, then there might be something wrong with the story? Get Out, great movie, with a fantastic script and great performances...if the plot twist wasn't there, would it hold up? Absolutely. Same with Predator or Sixth Sense. The movies are still fantastic even if spoiled.
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:If a story relies on a plot twist for its enjoyment, then there might be something wrong with the story? The point in the unspoiled experience is context and the lack of it on your first experience. That's what makes going back on subsequent experiences engaging in a game/movie/whatever, reliving it with that newfound context to see what wasn't understood the first time and now carries new meaning.
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:If a story relies on a plot twist for its enjoyment, then there might be something wrong with the story? Absolutely not. A good twist is held up throughout the story so you can enjoy it more on knowledge, but shock, surprise and misdirection are all valid tools for a writer or creator to use and have a strong impact on how people remember or view things. You can go into something spoiled and still enjoy it but there's marked difference in impact between knowing something is coming and being caught off guard.
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like I said back when the topic was still about videogames, you can only experience something for the first time once. something can still hold up to repeated viewings and you can appreciate it differently if you know what's coming, but you can never go back and experience it without that foreknowledge once you get it & for that reason alone it's worth letting people have those moments.
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What exactly is "the twist" in Get Out.
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He actually has to 
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exquisite tea posted:What exactly is "the twist" in Get Out. Someone actually eats fruit loops.
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Leal posted:Everyone should play Eversion. Look at how cute it is Why would you do this hahahahahha yesss
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exquisite tea posted:What exactly is "the twist" in Get Out. white liberals aren't actually good people
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pentyne posted:white liberals aren't actually good people That's only a twist for white liberals.
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ImpAtom posted:Absolutely not. A good twist is held up throughout the story so you can enjoy it more on knowledge, but shock, surprise and misdirection are all valid tools for a writer or creator to use and have a strong impact on how people remember or view things. You can go into something spoiled and still enjoy it but there's marked difference in impact between knowing something is coming and being caught off guard. That is bullshit. Shock and surprise are cheap heat. Character is what pulls me in and how the end is reached, not a sudden change.
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exquisite tea posted:What exactly is "the twist" in Get Out.
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flatluigi posted:like I said back when the topic was still about videogames, you can only experience something for the first time once. 100000% this. Every conversation about spoilers seems to boil down to this.
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