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Canuckistan posted:Perhaps he's sedated to prevent outbursts. He's asking to be in the room when the judge questions jurors. That's gonna be a shitshow if Merchan allows it.
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Yiggy posted:Granted there might be some journalist/editor/personal biases at play but the clips that do break through always look so plodding, rote and boring. I will never understand how his rallies have rail riders that catch every show. He's an unpolished, successful white guy who likes to talk and hates the same people the audience he wants hates. He's conversational and comfortable in the role. The reason it's hard to understand is because you're likely a relatively worldly person who doesn't hate the same people and has particular expectations of public discourse.
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mdemone posted:He's asking to be in the room when the judge questions jurors. That's gonna be a shitshow if Merchan allows it. I had jury duty a few months ago and that was when I learned that was a thing. It was very weird to have the defendant sitting there when we were being selected. I was excused so I have no idea if he was found guilty, but he was charged with stabbing someone. That made it doubly awkward.
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StrugglingHoneybun posted:trump needs the UK sudafed to avoid headlines of falling asleep in court What's UK sudafed?
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Lammasu posted:What's UK sudafed? I'm assuming in the UK the sudafed has the meth precursor chemicals that they don't have any more in the US.
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mdemone posted:He's asking to be in the room when the judge questions jurors. That's gonna be a shitshow if Merchan allows it. Isn’t this normal? The very boring trials I’ve been a part of have had the defendant there while jurors are selected. Cimber posted:I'm assuming in the UK the sudafed has the meth precursor chemicals that they don't have any more in the US. You can still get it it’s just behind the counter and they track how much you buy.
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Xiahou Dun posted:I get it in the afternoon of day 14 or whatever, the excitement has worn off, warm room, after lunch, etc. It's not good, but I understand. It's very human. In fairness, one of the most boring things imaginable in court is the reading out of all the warnings to a jury followed by watching jurors being sworn and or discharged. It's just monotonous without any real narrative to follow.
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The Question IRL posted:In fairness, one of the most boring things imaginable in court is the reading out of all the warnings to a jury followed by watching jurors being sworn and or discharged. Watching people who don’t want to be selected say the craziest poo poo they can, just to have them not be excluded till the very end is pretty entertaining.
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Apr 15, 2024 18:49
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Lammasu posted:What's UK sudafed? Peep his desk drawer: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/728297587418247168
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The Question IRL posted:In fairness, one of the most boring things imaginable in court is the reading out of all the warnings to a jury followed by watching jurors being sworn and or discharged. Sure, but that ain't happened yet. He fell asleep while they were doing preliminary house-cleaning on motions, i.e. responding to a bunch of stuff he asked for.
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The Question IRL posted:In fairness, one of the most boring things imaginable in court is the reading out of all the warnings to a jury followed by watching jurors being sworn and or discharged. OK, that makes a lot more sense than my original ignorant interpretation, that he wanted to attend voir dire
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He's probably getting poo poo sleep for one of a dozen reasons: Being old, being on drugs, anxiety, something else I lack imagination for, any combination of the above. Before I got treatment for my own sleep apnea I was known for dozing off at work, especially if we had any training days where I had to sit down.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Sure, but that ain't happened yet. Sure if you want to be reasonable and approach things in good faith. gently caress him though. He wouldn't extend the same courtesy to anyone else so let the lols flow and plaster that poo poo on every front page in the country, "SLEEPY TRUMP HAS NO STAH-MEEN-AH"
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:Isn’t this normal? The very boring trials I’ve been a part of have had the defendant there while jurors are selected. Yeah it's normal but you know he'll sigh and make faces and generally disrupt. Edit: Merchan has decided against it because it could be intimidating.
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bird food bathtub posted:Sure if you want to be reasonable and approach things in good faith. Yeah pretty much, as someone else pointed out, Right Wing News would be all over Biden for similar.
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bird food bathtub posted:Sure if you want to be reasonable and approach things in good faith. I think you need to re-read this whole exchange. I'm pointing out that he fell asleep in the more embarrassing for him part of the trial.
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The Question IRL posted:In fairness, one of the most boring things imaginable in court is the reading out of all the warnings to a jury followed by watching jurors being sworn and or discharged. Presidents might have to deal with to boring, monotonous stuff sometimes, so it still doesn't look super great for him.
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Main Paineframe posted:Presidents might have to deal with to boring, monotonous stuff sometimes, so it still doesn't look super great for him. To who? Everyone's basically made up their mind about him. I mean, if someone is undecided about Trump now should we even let them close to a voting booth? This election won't be about convincing people that Biden is better than Trump, it's convincing people to get off their asses and vote, no matter how much the GOP throws roadblocks in their way.
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Apr 15, 2024 19:38
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Yeah lol. What Trumpite is gonna see him nodding off at his criminal trial and think "Ah! That was the final straw!"
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Well there's this imbalance in the media narratives (that has been improving post SOTU) that despite being about the same age, Trump is vital and vigorous and Biden is doddering and senile. Trump doing poo poo like this helps to push against that.
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Trump literally calls his opponent “sleepy joe”
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CBS: More than half of the initial jury pool has already been dismissed because they stated that they could not be fair or impartial.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:CBS: More than half of the initial jury pool has already been dismissed because they stated that they could not be fair or impartial. Merchan is allowing the Jury pool to get easy outs because he doesn't want to bog this down with Trump's lawyers taking hours per jury member in questions and interviews. It's easier for him to just dismiss them and call in another tranche of potential jury members. He tried Trump org 2 years ago and ran into that issue and doesn't want to repeat it.
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The real question is, who is more likely to lie about the ability to be impartial, someone who loves Trump or someone who hates Trump? I don't particularly like the obvious answer to that question.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:CBS: More than half of the initial jury pool has already been dismissed because they stated that they could not be fair or impartial. The other half lied that they could be, I assume.
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I really don't see how a chud doesn't slip through the screening and result in a hung jury. Does the prosecution get to do any digging on the potential jurors to raise concerns of bias?
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cr0y posted:I really don't see how a chud doesn't slip through the screening and result in a hung jury. Yes. Both sides do during voir dire.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:The real question is, who is more likely to lie about the ability to be impartial, someone who loves Trump or someone who hates Trump? Someone who doesn't want to be on jury duty for six weeks+
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cr0y posted:I really don't see how a chud doesn't slip through the screening and result in a hung jury. In theory in the event of a hung jury the judge could just schedule a new trial starting next Monday. I've seen judges do it before.
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cr0y posted:I really don't see how a chud doesn't slip through the screening and result in a hung jury. Keep in mind that we've already been through this. Any single juror from the now-numerous grand juries could have gone full MAGA4lyfe, and didn't. Likewise the juries in the E. Jean Carroll cases. At this pok t were up to several dozen jurors who have sat on Trump cases, and Trump and MAGA have not won one of them. Anything can happen, of course. Honestly, I'd worry more about Russia buying a juror than MAGA convincing one.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:In theory in the event of a hung jury the judge could just schedule a new trial starting next Monday. I've seen judges do it before.
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Ynglaur posted:Keep in mind that we've already been through this. Any single juror from the now-numerous grand juries could have gone full MAGA4lyfe, and didn't. Likewise the juries in the E. Jean Carroll cases. At this pok t were up to several dozen jurors who have sat on Trump cases, and Trump and MAGA have not won one of them. Aren't pretty much all grand juries a majority, not unanimous? Hard to there wasn't at least 1 MAGA jurors in those.
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Ynglaur posted:Keep in mind that we've already been through this. Any single juror from the now-numerous grand juries could have gone full MAGA4lyfe, and didn't. Likewise the juries in the E. Jean Carroll cases. At this pok t were up to several dozen jurors who have sat on Trump cases, and Trump and MAGA have not won one of them. To my knowledge, grand juries don't need to be unanimous like trial juries do, since they're just deciding whether there's enough of a case to justify charges. Is there any public record of whether the votes to indict were?
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I might be incorrect but isn't this particular case just asking for jury nullification?
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TGG posted:I might be incorrect but isn't this particular case just asking for jury nullification? 12 jurors wouldn't agree to that
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if you're going to pick any notable trump trial to worry over the jury, the one drawing from Manhattan is the actual literal least likely to be hosed one possible
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TGG posted:I might be incorrect but isn't this particular case just asking for jury nullification? This only works if all jurors go along with it. If the jurors have irreconcilable disagreements, they are hung but that's a mistrial and they can start over
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I don't think the MAGA team is sneaky enough to get a secret Trumpist on a jury. They are going to be unable to resist acting acting like an rear end in a top hat and the prosecution is going to see them coming a mile away. More likely there are people who may have voted for Trump but aren't hard-core Red Hats and are susceptible to peer pressure without instantly going all YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO! TRUMP! *click*
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TGG posted:I might be incorrect but isn't this particular case just asking for jury nullification? Nullification requires a verdict of not guilty, which requires unanimity. There's a reason it is rare.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Yeah lol. What Trumpite is gonna see him nodding off at his criminal trial and think "Ah! That was the final straw!" It's weird what can change someone's mind. I read an article a few weeks back (I forget where), where they talked to an older woman who decided Trump selling shoes was the thing that meant she was not going to vote for him in the upcoming election. Obviously that's coming directly from her, so its biased, but she was openly admitting to it so she probably means it.
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