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The MSJ posted:I should buy Shadow of Doubt or Midnight Suns instead. Midnight Suns has on sale right now: https://isthereanydeal.com/game/marvels-midnight-suns/info/ (Then again, it's going to be on sale often from now on. It didn't do well, alas.) It wasn't flawless, but I thought it was a very good game.
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Oh and I didn't even think of it until now, but why is a demon allied with some random dogs in the first place? < >StrixNebulosa posted:Hey, thanks! I think Dark Souls is a great game and well designed, but I do love learning more about its weird/sloppy/rushed development. Like somehow turning a mess into a work of art. It's neat! Yeah, that's pretty much where I sit. Though honestly I do think it's a lesser game in the series because of stuff like, well, the entire back half of the game for instance. But regardless I find it way more interesting to explore and interrogate all the weird, messy parts of it instead of placing it on some pedestal like a lot of folks do, or at least used to do.
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John Murdoch posted:Oh and I didn't even think of it until now, but why is a demon allied with some random dogs in the first place? <
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StrixNebulosa posted:Hey, thanks! I think Dark Souls is a great game and well designed, but I do love learning more about its weird/sloppy/rushed development. Like somehow turning a mess into a work of art. It's neat! It's true of the whole trilogy, there are a lot of really interesting bits and pieces pointing to reworks and cut content. I remember some 4chan "leak" shortly after Dark Souls 3 was announced that detailed some weird new mechanics, like being able to drag corpses around and sacrifice them create your own bonfires in custom locations. None of that was actually in the game and it seemed like bullshit when it came out, but later when people dug into the files it turned out there were actually animations for doing just that edit: Perhaps this is true of most games though and people just obsess over Souls enough to dig it all up
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Apr 15, 2024 15:02
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goferchan posted:edit: Perhaps this is true of most games though and people just obsess over Souls enough to dig it all up Restricting lore discussion to dark souls is a way to avoid asking uncomfortable questions about the whole Mario/Daisy/Peach thing.
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goferchan posted:It's true of the whole trilogy, there are a lot of really interesting bits and pieces pointing to reworks and cut content. I remember some 4chan "leak" shortly after Dark Souls 3 was announced that detailed some weird new mechanics, like being able to drag corpses around and sacrifice them create your own bonfires in custom locations. None of that was actually in the game and it seemed like bullshit when it came out, but later when people dug into the files it turned out there were actually animations for doing just that IIRC some of their earlier promo material had stuff like that. In general the further you go along the FromSoft games the more you see weird stuff being cut for time or because it didn't pan out, but Dark Souls is I think their only game where you can really see the seams outside of some areas in Dark Souls 2, if you know where to look. It's just that the game has such a strong first impression that being able to tell what is and isn't supposed to be weird can be hard for a newcomer.
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goferchan posted:It's true of the whole trilogy, there are a lot of really interesting bits and pieces pointing to reworks and cut content. I remember some 4chan "leak" shortly after Dark Souls 3 was announced that detailed some weird new mechanics, like being able to drag corpses around and sacrifice them create your own bonfires in custom locations. None of that was actually in the game and it seemed like bullshit when it came out, but later when people dug into the files it turned out there were actually animations for doing just that The original DS3 trailer even shows the animation! There's also the whole "designed to be a stealth game" thing....
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If you look up how Dark Souls 2 differed from the promo material you're gonna find a lot of pictures of torches lol
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FrickenMoron posted:What if the souls were grey? what if they were gay?
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Tiny Timbs posted:If you look up how Dark Souls 2 differed from the promo material you're gonna find a lot of pictures of torches lol Doesn't help that DS2 also has Dark Troches as a consumable.
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Benagain posted:what if they were gay? Disappointed there's no Gay Souls on the steam store.
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John Murdoch posted:Oh and I didn't even think of it until now, but why is a demon allied with some random dogs in the first place? < Thanks for the other post about the cut content in the burg. That whole area felt weird and Capra's boss room is peak weirdness. It's the dogs that are the real bosses of that fight. Capra solo is fine even in that cramped space once you get used to it, but the dogs are the true element of chaos/randomness with their ability to chain stagger you. quote:Yeah, that's pretty much where I sit. Though honestly I do think it's a lesser game in the series because of stuff like, well, the entire back half of the game for instance. But regardless I find it way more interesting to explore and interrogate all the weird, messy parts of it instead of placing it on some pedestal like a lot of folks do, or at least used to do. Demons' Souls was a transformative game for me in that it got me to appreciate challenge for the eventual pay off being sweeter when you succeeded in a way I hadn't felt since I was much younger. I think Dark Souls is great because it does that but adds on this beautiful layer of minimalist and mysterious story telling, much of which is purely environmental (like how Anor Londo feels so much like an abandoned movie set than a real, lived-in place for example). But agree with the criticisms of the back half of the game, especially Demon Ruins/Lost Izalith - which is a pity because there's so much lore/story telling that could have been done better there. But DS1 also has Ash Lake and the journey down to it, letting you see the trees you saw in the intro video and rooting the world. It takes a lot of risks in a way that none of the other games does and fucks some stuff up, but it's great that it took those risks in the first place. E: I'm replaying Witcher 3 with the W3EE Redux mod and had to run that first, simple intro fight with the ghouls when you wake up in White Orchard next to Vesemir 3 times to get past it. But it didn't feel cheap, just that old Demons' Souls feeling of "there are things here you need to learn to play this game" so I ran it a few more times after getting past it, just to learn those things. Wouldn't have if not for the Souls games. v1ld fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Apr 15, 2024 |
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Murdered by caribou.... sent my Rimworld colonists to hunt them, and not only was everyone gored and trampled, the caribou saw my downed colonists trying to crawl away to safety and specifically came back and finished them off. 
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goferchan posted:edit: Perhaps this is true of most games though and people just obsess over Souls enough to dig it all up Youtubers have constructed entire careers out of mining lost and broken From game content. There's probably more stuff left on the cutting floor than many games but on the other hand, it's not all that often people are so thorough in peeking behind the curtain, like you said. RPGs are particularly messy. The expansion for Baldur's Gate 2 was supposed to be an entire game. And then there's Dragon Age 2. God knows what they had planned. Fruits of the sea fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Apr 15, 2024 |
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pseudorandom name posted:The Capra Demon is the final part of the tutorial; its purpose is to teach you that when you get stuck you can go explore somewhere else and come back overleveled. Can you actually get overleveled? Souls games always struck me as something you just get better at instead of dumping stats into something that makes you just steam roll past enemies.
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Deakul posted:Can you actually get overleveled? Souls games always struck me as something you just get better at instead of dumping stats into something that makes you just steam roll past enemies.
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Deakul posted:Can you actually get overleveled? Souls games always struck me as something you just get better at instead of dumping stats into something that makes you just steam roll past enemies. Yes. Biggest threat from Capra is getting staggered by the dogs and he one shots you. With enough health you can take the hit and keep going.
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I don't know about the Dark Souls games because I never got that far, but at least in Elden Ring, while you can keep leveling for a really long time, the returns become so diminished that your actual effectiveness does plateau, making it pointless.
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v1ld posted:Thanks for the other post about the cut content in the burg. That whole area felt weird and Capra's boss room is peak weirdness. It's always been so obvious to me. Like even at face value, no cut content taken into account (and there's even more, you pull a thread and all this poo poo tumbles out from it), you've got barred off passages that just terminate in darkness and those hilarious empty closets all the bandits are hiding in. And people say Dark Souls 2 is missing detail?? I regularly joke that the dogs are in charge and Capra is their minion. Might as well be true. Deakul posted:Can you actually get overleveled? Souls games always struck me as something you just get better at instead of dumping stats into something that makes you just steam roll past enemies. You absolutely can muscle past a lot of challenges with raw stats (or more realistically, weapon upgrades, or better weapons in general). Though over the course of the series how effective raw stats are vs. player skill did shift a bit.
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skeletronics posted:I don't know about the Dark Souls games because I never got that far, but at least in Elden Ring, while you can keep leveling for a really long time, the returns become so diminished that your actual effectiveness does plateau, making it pointless. Yeah, all the From games have soft caps for stats where they are less effective after a certain value. Capra is an early enough boss that it's not much of a factor.
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In Capra's case it's more a lack of other stuff to do, or at least more convenient stuff to do, and not a lot of great places to farm souls if you wanted to go that route.
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StrixNebulosa posted:On a non-souls topic though today I am designing a new religion in Rimworld and hmm How can they be both cannibals and vegan?
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Waffle! posted:How can they be both cannibals and vegan? Tree Connection
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Waffle! posted:How can they be both cannibals and vegan? I mean Bloodcourt and Pacifism/Vow of nonviolence doesn't really work either. Nutsnatching also sounds like something that would break a Vow of nonviolence. 
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StrixNebulosa posted:Murdered by caribou.... sent my Rimworld colonists to hunt them, and not only was everyone gored and trampled, the caribou saw my downed colonists trying to crawl away to safety and specifically came back and finished them off. Actually p interested in Rimworld again now that the newest DLC added children and families which always felt like something sorely missing for me.
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does Rimworld work well on Steam Deck? I have it and simply havent given it a whirl yet. The new DLC sounds great.
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Bumhead posted:Genuinely, the only boss fights I legitimately remember from name alone, from the entire history of Souls games, are the poo poo ones and the ones designed to intentionally skill check you. artorias is a loving banger boss fight. kalameet was dumb and manus was annoying but artorias was non-stop gas.
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FPS Fest is on this week. Amid Evil, Black Mesa, Call of Juarez: Gunslinger, Cultic, Deep Rock Galactic, Doom, Dusk, Fashion Police Squad, Project Warlock, Serious Sam, Shadow Warrior, Slayers X: Terminal Aftermath: Vengance of the Slayer, Superhot, and Turbo Overkill are all deeply discounted.
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Waffle! posted:How can they be both cannibals and vegan? They're given permission by the dude they're eating to chow down
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Hwurmp posted:Call of Juarez: Gunslinger What a game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRjbXpAdoyY
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there are men who fear legends, but a man legends fear
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I was really hoping Red Dead 2's success would push a new wave of western genre games, including a sequel for this one 
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John Murdoch posted:For Taurus, there's concept art placing it in the Asylum as the tutorial boss instead of the Asylum Demon. Which tracks, because aside from Asylum Demon it's the only other boss you can do the fully animated plunge attack on. (Meanwhile Asylum Demon has its own bizarre and storied history.) Further evidence of why it doesn't belong on the wall is its propensity to jump off the arena to its death. Though ironically gravity has continued to plague subsequent games' bosses, even ones in ER. Appreciate this breakdown. lol Capra Demon
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Here I am, looking forlornly at my RimWorld mod list of which 90% is broken, unusable or runs worse than before because of the latest patch.
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wizard2 posted:does Rimworld work well on Steam Deck? I have it and simply havent given it a whirl yet. The new DLC sounds great. Depends on how willing you are to use the trackpads and not complain about it. I think it works great, but many can't deal.
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:Actually p interested in Rimworld again now that the newest DLC added children and families which always felt like something sorely missing for me. That was actually the last DLC, released a year and a half ago. The newest adds SCP, The Thing, zombies, and the Marker from Dead Space.
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I feel dumb for procrastinating on getting Hitman for so long. Oh well,I will simply wait even longer.
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Steam went weird on me yesterday, and out of the blue, while not playing any games and invisible, awarded me 3 achievements.  Digging through my library, I eventually found they were from Hell Let Loose, a game I haven't played since September. 
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Velocity Raptor posted:Steam went weird on me yesterday, and out of the blue, while not playing any games and invisible, awarded me 3 achievements. can it give you the “don’t play the Stanley Parable for 5 years” achievement automatically like this?
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What are folks' thoughts on the SF6 World Tour? I've watched some videos on it, but came away a little uncertain. I generally don't play a lot of fighting games competitively but the light RPG mechanics made WT seem like it could be decently fun as a solo outing and the demo was reasonably charming... although I've heard the grind can make that charm outstay its welcome.
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