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Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Chillmatic posted:

was he acting like a real blm or rainbow flag type

I am sorry I made a mean joke for the american hyperconsumer with the correct emojis and hashtags.

counterfeitsaint posted:

*I realize that Todd probably isn't personally responsible for every lore and business decision made. He isn't literally going into the writers room and crossing poo poo out of the scripts. But Bethesda insisted on some creative control, and he's kind of the personification of Bethesda, so its easier to just call him out by name.[/spoiler]

Its Kathleen Kennedy posting where you get mad at one person in particular for ruining childhood, ignoring that the company that owns the show is pushing CONTENT related to the IP. The fact that it is made by people who are generally more aware of the world makes it all the worse.

Tankbuster fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Apr 16, 2024

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Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Pham Nuwen posted:

So the reveal in the last episode that the macguffin was cold fusion... this is a different kind of room-temperature fusion than the "fusion core", which we're shown can power Vault 4 for over 200 years? Or were we meant to understand that this was all about rediscovering the tech to build new fusion cores?

The core is kinda like a brand name. Its called a Fusion Core but thats not it's operating principle.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Tankbuster posted:

The core is kinda like a brand name. Its called a Fusion Core but thats not it's operating principle.

Ah, just like my Solar™ gasoline generator

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Tankbuster posted:

I am sorry I made a mean joke for the american hyperconsumer with the correct emojis and hashtags.

You are one of the biggest hype toilets on this forum so LOL. Had no idea u were a chud, too. :eyepop:

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Pham Nuwen posted:

Ah, just like my Solar™ gasoline generator

literally a plausible falloutverse product

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Pham Nuwen posted:

Ah, just like my Solar™ gasoline generator

Pretty much. Microfusion and Fusion Cores are just fission batteries with branding on them to sell to consumers.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Chillmatic posted:

You are one of the biggest hype toilets on this forum so LOL. Had no idea u were a chud, too. :eyepop:

lmao america-brained. Someone finally adapts a setting with love, care and general correct tone and the first response to the raising of dramatic stakes in a different medium is: "Holy poo poo they destroyed my deep example of masterful political drama that analyze the world with, out of pure spite." How is this any different from being buttmad about the prequels introducing midichlorians?

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

bro that was 25 years ago

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


If you ignore that the games explicitly say otherwise, anyway.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
It does fit in with the tech that we see that was about the come onto the market. Like one of the tragedies of Fallout is that they actually did have the tech to solve all their problems but they were so deep up the rear end of capitalism, the idea of actually putting them out so people could benefit from them as unthinkable. Like a great example are the literally replicators that were at the Sierra Madre. Those could of been put on the market for everyone to buy, but they realized they could make more money by sticking it a part of the attractions of this super exclusive Casino.

I love that Bud was the worst robobrain. he didn't even have arms!

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

Tankbuster posted:

lmao america-brained. Someone finally adapts a setting with love, care and general correct tone and the first response to the raising of dramatic stakes in a different medium is: "Holy poo poo they destroyed my deep example of masterful political drama that analyze the world with, out of pure spite." How is this any different from being buttmad about the prequels introducing midichlorians?

I didn't really binge the show, I watched it over the weekend, but I did make the mistake of binging this thread afterwards and holy poo poo you need to shut the gently caress up already. There are pages of you saying the same tired poo poo. No one cares what you think about New Vegas or the NCR. Just gently caress off already, I don't think there is a single page in this very long thread that you haven't not directly make worse with your whining.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
fair enough.

covidstomper58
Nov 8, 2020

I had imagined that the micro fusion cells were just small scale fusion powered batteries, that provided maybe some hundreds of kilowatts, but when they got consumed and discharged they were done for a while.

The cold fusion device would provide somewhere in the gigawatt range, maybe some fraction of the Hoover drat output.

Sharkopath
May 27, 2009

On my rewatch, I'm really vibing with the cohesive thematic exploration the show is laying down, to the point I think I'm gonna come down on the side that the choices made around the NCR are going to be better in the long run.

Mainly though I really picked up more on the small moments between Max and Lucy and I disagree with people saying they have no chemistry, they're both 2 really naive weirdos who have a ton in common in both mannerisms and attitude, but one was way better equipped by their upbringing to handle the situations they find themselves in. I've seen some criticism that wishes that Max was a cool action hero guy instead and I really disagree, him being himself ends up really core to the show.

Back Hack
Jan 17, 2010


roomtone posted:

The downsides are only - need the drug or you go crazy, and also you start turning ugly but in the wasteland, who really gives a poo poo?

I don't like the show (Because They decided to wipe the west clean of everything) but one detail I like, the near-feral ghouls are using rad-away and rad-x to stop the radiation from making them crazy.

Back Hack fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Apr 16, 2024

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Sharkopath posted:

Mainly though I really picked up more on the small moments between Max and Lucy and I disagree with people saying they have no chemistry, they're both 2 really naive weirdos who have a ton in common in both mannerisms and attitude, but one was way better equipped by their upbringing to handle the situations they find themselves in. I've seen some criticism that wishes that Max was a cool action hero guy instead and I really disagree, him being himself ends up really core to the show.

This show would be fairly awful if Max were a genuine hero archetype dude. An absolute dumbass failing upwards and behaving like a small child on several occasions makes him a pretty good window into the weirdness that is the wasteland, and a good counter-balance character to play off of Lucy's "okey dokey!" pragmatic naivete, as you say.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
The best was Max not knowing was sex was

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




I find it funny that Amazon funded and put out a show that through all the slapstick is probably one of the strongest condemnations of capitalism I can think of in recent memory.

Fallout has always poked fun at it but man they went both barrels here.

Vorgen
Mar 5, 2006

Party Membership is a Democracy, The Weave is Not.

A fledgling vampire? How about a dragon, or some half-kobold druids? Perhaps a spontaneous sex change? Anything that can happen, will happen the results will be beyond entertaining.

twistedmentat posted:

The best was Max not knowing was sex was

Yeah that was some real third-hand elementary school playground rumor level understanding of the subject. Such a great touch.

Sharkopath
May 27, 2009

Nelson Mandingo posted:

I find it funny that Amazon funded and put out a show that through all the slapstick is probably one of the strongest condemnations of capitalism I can think of in recent memory.

Fallout has always poked fun at it but man they went both barrels here.

I mentioned it upthread but this show has acid dripping venom in its teeth for the trappings of disfunctional democracy and the oligarchy, its pretty vicious and not subtle about it.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Hell Amazon gave Boots Riley a superhero show where one heroine's power is Super Rhetoric and she uses it to explain the crisis of capitalism and the carceral state and poo poo to the viewer.

Capital will absolutely commodify incisive critiques of capitalism and sell them to you as part of your streaming subscription. That's a known phenomenon.

I don't know that I've seen it dramatized better than the Black Mirror ep "Fifteen Million Merits."

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
See also: Cyberpunk, which is even more on the nose about how capitalism destroys everything even including commodifying criticisms of it.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I think it has the advantage that Starship Troopers has, though maybe not in the same way. Starship Troopers wraps its criticism of authoritarianism in this "oorah, hell yeah, we kick rear end" veneer that anyone with a brain can see right through. It's barely even subtext that the humans are the monsters, but an idiot can only see the surface they think it's all about patriotism and defeating "invaders". Fallout is similar in its scathing criticism of capitalism and certain styles of democracy that is hidden by a thin veneer of jingoism and "lol lowest bidder capitalism is great, haha the workers have no rights and got mangled in the gears of the system". Anyone with a brain can see this universe criticizes unchecked capitalism and cronyism in government, and the morons can laugh and clap because robot chops people up.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

How hard would it have been to get Ron Perlman to do a Sugar Bombs commercial about how “Breakfast. Breakfast never changes?” Not very.

BrotherJayne
Nov 28, 2019

Tankbuster posted:

I am sorry I made a mean joke for the american hyperconsumer with the correct emojis and hashtags.

Its Kathleen Kennedy posting where you get mad at one person in particular for ruining childhood, ignoring that the company that owns the show is pushing CONTENT related to the IP. The fact that it is made by people who are generally more aware of the world makes it all the worse.

Jesus christ, shut the gently caress up

Nelson Mandingo posted:

I find it funny that Amazon funded and put out a show that through all the slapstick is probably one of the strongest condemnations of capitalism I can think of in recent memory.

Thread title good.

seaborgium
Aug 1, 2002

"Nothing a shitload of bleach won't fix"




BrotherJayne posted:

You go 10% faster with your weapon holstered or some such in most games/mods

Honestly this was the first I'd heard of it, not even a loading screen tool tip or anything. And whenever I've seen gameplay videos people always have them out. Maybe it's just a me thing, but I rarely holstered it.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

seaborgium posted:

Maybe it's just a me thing, but I rarely holstered it.

Hey, you never know when there's gonna be a bloatfly or cazador out of nowhere.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
https://twitter.com/Kyle_MacLachlan/status/1779964488919191579

Important message from the Overseer.

TIP
Mar 21, 2006

Your move, creep.



Owlbear Camus posted:

Hell Amazon gave Boots Riley a superhero show where one heroine's power is Super Rhetoric and she uses it to explain the crisis of capitalism and the carceral state and poo poo to the viewer.

so what you're saying is walton goggins is the key to getting away with it on amazon



I'm a virgo was great

Red Rox
Aug 24, 2004

Motel Midnight off the hook
Man I had totally convinced myself something about Maximus: when he said “I want to hurt the people that hurt me” at some stage there would be a moment where they showed the full flashback and it turns out the Brotherhood didn’t rescue him from Shady Sands, they beat him up and kidnapped him, and he is trying to destroy them from the inside.

I guess that could still happen. But I really like how they subverted a whole bunch of expectations and tropes.

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006

Owlbear Camus posted:

Fun fact:

Prior to its release, original Fallout game advertised front-and-center that its character/rules system was the GURPS (Generic Universal Role Playing System) by Steve Jackson Games. There was a falling out over the content approval process, allegedly in part because SJG objected to the gory content of the game, and Interplay dropped the licensing agreement and reworked the mechanics to the SPECIAL system.

I wonder if Steve Jackson has spent this last week kicking himself.




I imagine after multiple AAA games making gazillions, he's had time to make peace with it by now, otherwise we'd be hearing about his multiple ulcers.

Anyway, even classic SPECIAL isn't really GURPS-y and 4&76 aren't GURPS-y at all.

Megazver fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Apr 16, 2024

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
Also special for the few hours after Tim Cain came up with it after the GURPS license was taken away, wasn't called special! According to Cain I believe, he spent a night thinking up the new attributes and just had them in some random order, brought it into work the next day, and a minute or two later someone pipes up with "Hey you know if you re-arrange these it spells Special", so obviously they just went with that.

This is why it's always good to have one of those weirdo's that loves word games on staff.

TIP
Mar 21, 2006

Your move, creep.



Red Rox posted:

Man I had totally convinced myself something about Maximus: when he said “I want to hurt the people that hurt me” at some stage there would be a moment where they showed the full flashback and it turns out the Brotherhood didn’t rescue him from Shady Sands, they beat him up and kidnapped him, and he is trying to destroy them from the inside.

I guess that could still happen. But I really like how they subverted a whole bunch of expectations and tropes.

I had the same expectation based on the vague way he would talk about it and also the lingering mystery of his friend's razor boots

honestly that was so gnarly that I immediately dismissed the idea that the guy might have done it himself, which I think was on purpose and a little cheap

jesus there are so many less horrifying ways to injure yourself to get out of duty, and ways that don't lead to your friends being suspected of doing it out of jealousy

Bright Bart
Apr 27, 2020

False. There is only one electron and it has never stopped
They shouldn't have had Dane repeat that version of events to Maximas. They should have left it open to whether he was just covering or not.

Schubalts
Nov 26, 2007

People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life, I think I've gone too far.

covidstomper58 posted:

I had imagined that the micro fusion cells were just small scale fusion powered batteries, that provided maybe some hundreds of kilowatts, but when they got consumed and discharged they were done for a while.

The cold fusion device would provide somewhere in the gigawatt range, maybe some fraction of the Hoover drat output.

Yes. A single fusion core can power a single building and has a finite storage capacity, while that can power an entire city/city-state.

kingcom
Jun 23, 2012

Bussamove posted:

There needs to be at least something of a base that wants Betty to be overseer or the narrative Bud’s Buds set up falls apart. Only two people in 33 know what’s going on with the three vaults, and presumably several people counting votes— it doesn’t make much sense to let one of the candidates count them herself, and one woman who just had a baby isn’t really in a position to. People not in the know are going to be involved.

They painfully spell out that everyone has been conditioned to believe that Vault 31 has more resources and better education than 32 or 33 and thus produces people most qualified to be overseer. And because they believe they live in a pure meritocracy they blindly go along with it.

Like yeah it’s definitely a reference but calling it “literally just a joke” is ignoring basically everything they set up about how 31 maintains control with manufactured disasters that conveniently happen so Bud’s Buds can step in and save the day.


The say Betty got 98% of the vote, the classic dictator fake election number. The propaganda influences enough people and they stack the deck by putting extreme charisma black holes as other candidates but why would they ever take the risk of an actual fair election?

Majkol
Oct 17, 2016
This is a bad show.
It does the Star Wars sequels thing where every single important event is linked to or caused by one of like 4 people in the entire universe and in this case, 200 years in the making. I would not be surprised if we found out in season 2 that the BoS Grandmaster harbors a deep dark secret that is somehow also connected to everyone else.
The geography and time both between scenes and within action scenes ( Ghoulggins takes cover behind a stall in the Filly shootout, and we see him pull out shells to reload his lever action CUT he gets up and doesn't even have the gun on him, the raid on Vault 33 and the NCR compound at the Observatory are laughably choreographed ) makes no sense, there is no sense of place, everyone just sort of wanders around running into each other at random places and times.
Moldaver takes over Vault 33, she has everyone at gunpoint and has a bomb and can basically do whatever she wants. She somehow has to bargain with Hank instead of just taking him and Lucy both, if she so chooses? There was no-one to stop her from doing whatever she wanted at that point.
The Ghoul has no reason to pursue the bounty. He is let loose after being buried "alive" for who knows how long and instead of going after Don Pedro, the one responsible for said burial, this badass hombre goes after a bounty that means nothing to him? Why?
So our random cast of characters who are connected over a sea of time can randomly run into each other.
The music is so overrused that it just becomes annoying after a while.
A depiction of a faux 50s/60s without racial discrimination/segregation but with the Cold war conflict intact was also a choice I guess.

Rubellavator
Aug 16, 2007

If the riots in 32 happened long before the raiders got there how did Hank not know about it? You'd think there would be some kind of regular contact between 32 and 31 at least. Also who cleaned up 32? I was thinking that the people in 31 must have done it at least partially, but then they revealed that everyone in 31 is in a tube waiting for their turn. Also how did the previous exchanges with 31 go if nobody was awake.

I liked the show though

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

are the complaints about "sense of space" and how they don't show travel between places enough a TVIV specific meme?

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moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Majkol posted:

This is a bad show.
It does the Star Wars sequels thing where every single important event is linked to or caused by one of like 4 people in the entire universe and in this case, 200 years in the making.

In the games, every important event hinges on a single player's actions.

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