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Dexo posted:tbf I don't think Mac Jones was particularly good his rookie season. Extremely overrated if you actually like watched him. Josh McDaniels did a really good job coaching him into being a small-ball QB. That plus power running and a good defense is going to make him look different than he actually was.
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Amy Pole Her posted:Mac Jones was a fraud his rookie year. Using him as an example of a team failing a player is uh misguided I still wish I could remember which Pats goon was arguing with me that he was better than Dak after that rookie year
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Sataere posted:Fields is good and I think he will he fine. And when he does well in Pittsburgh, it will be a very strong case for how important development actually is. The idea that if you are good you will always be good might be true in other sports, but football is too dependent on coaching and development. I agree, I just mean that Fields is who he is, regardless of what the Bears put around him. I'm very much hoping, and think he should, win the starting job in Pittsburgh. Certainly would rather watch him than Wilson. And I think he will probably play better with better talent around him and better coaching. But he'll still mostly be the same qb we've been watching, just with potentially better results. Cash Monet posted:I think a bad situation can ruin a QB because it's way, way easier to form bad habits and traits in a bad situation. Those habits should change for the better if he gets back into a better situation. But I also don't think he's very good at all, regardless. I'll admit that it can certainly stunt or effect a player's development temporarily, if the coaching and protection and pass catchers are bad. I just think that if they are actually very good the talent will show through regardless. 'Ruin' seems too strong a word unless it is injuries, like Andrew Luck or RGIII.
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i believe very strongly there is one important factor that prevents a quarterback from being good and that is wearing a navy blue helmet with a C on it
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Doltos posted:I can see it. Polk is a zone poker that finds his spot and then hooks, he wasn't tasked with as much down the field safety work as Odunze and McMillan. Coleman I only love because of his MSU season before transferring and that he flashes a lot of potential if you just send him on slants over and over. I guess it just shows how insanely deep this WR class is. I can see Polk having a solid career like Chris Godwin.
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Doltos posted:I can see it. Polk is a zone poker that finds his spot and then hooks, he wasn't tasked with as much down the field safety work as Odunze and McMillan. Coleman I only love because of his MSU season before transferring and that he flashes a lot of potential if you just send him on slants over and over. MSU Coleman is an easy top 50 pick. FSU Coleman is not especially good. With so many other WR's it's not worth the risk in my personal evaluation. Totally get the guys who watch him win every ball at MSU and are betting that guy is still there. That's not who he was at FSU. Polk I just don't really see the upside. My evaluation isn't far off from yours. He looks like a depth piece to me. Not a bad depth piece. I think he'll have some roles to fill, but I don't see him as a starter.
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I like the Bears and Polk if they don't get one of the top 3 Him as a Zone fisher works with DJ Moore and Keenan Allen beating the poo poo out of you if you use man against them
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My podcast draft is Tuesday and I have Washington. Going to go through all the pros and cons for Drake Maye and Jaylen Daniels and then take Joe Alt. I don't have to worry about getting fired or idiot fans and I think that's the best thing they can do
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Amy Pole Her posted:Mac Jones was a fraud his rookie year. Using him as an example of a team failing a player is uh misguided Yes and no; they did give him no help and then the coaching turned to total poo poo. They had the worst WR room in the league the last two years He still also played like poo poo on his own too
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He was propped up by a good OC and then that foundation not only fell off, it turns out there was a sinkhole. He was never as good as pats fans seemed to think after that first year. He likely IS as mediocre as he looked last season.
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kiimo posted:My podcast draft is Tuesday and I have Washington. Are you able to trade down?
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kiimo posted:My podcast draft is Tuesday and I have Washington. They have 36 and 40 also. I’d still take Daniels and go for OT and WR at the top of the second.
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No Butt Stuff posted:They have 36 and 40 also. I’d still take Daniels and go for OT and WR at the top of the second. Or do what i did in the goon draft and go Qb->OT->OT
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It’s just a first round mock, but also I really do not like the tackles in the second round or the end of the first Joe Alt is a decade plus start & forget it
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Legwold's top 100 is out: https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/story/_/id/39913882/2024-nfl-draft-jeff-legwold-ranking-top-100-prospects Drake Maye at #23 is spicy
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The best part of the NFL Draft is no one knows anything.
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kiimo posted:It’s just a first round mock, but also I really do not like the tackles in the second round or the end of the first Joe Alt is a decade plus start & forget it Unless he’s Like Joeckel
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surf rock posted:Legwold's top 100 is out: https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/story/_/id/39913882/2024-nfl-draft-jeff-legwold-ranking-top-100-prospects The Spicy thing is all 3 WR1s and TE1 before QB1. Wow.
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surf rock posted:Legwold's top 100 is out: https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/story/_/id/39913882/2024-nfl-draft-jeff-legwold-ranking-top-100-prospects I got the players ranked #1, #34, and #35 for the Patriots in the Goon draft.
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Anderson Koopa posted:I got the players ranked #1, #34, and #35 for the Patriots in the Goon draft. #20, #26, #51, and #92 for the Packers in the Goon Draft. We did good.
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drat that top 100 is completely devoid of any analysis and is just him listing players stats what a loving hack lmao
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Jaheim Bell was 2nd in his high school hockey league for penalty minutes. TE3 all day.
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surf rock posted:Legwold's top 100 is out: https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/story/_/id/39913882/2024-nfl-draft-jeff-legwold-ranking-top-100-prospects I like how Mo Kamara is every analyst's "dammit I wish I could justify ranking this guy higher" pick. As a CSU homer I hope he beats the odds and has a good career.
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Mo Kamara is a dude that will either be a steeler or raven and make lives of the opposing fanbase miserable for the next 8-10 years
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A Sneaker Broker posted:#20, #26, #51, and #92 for the Packers in the Goon Draft. We did good. #2, #19, #29, #42, #67, #80 and 1st honorable mention for the Cardinals. 
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he can catch the ball any place on the field.
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A Sneaker Broker posted:#20, #26, #51, and #92 for the Packers in the Goon Draft. We did good. For a pretend NFL GM I feel like I did pretty well for myself considering I don't watch College Football.
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Cavauro posted:he can catch the ball any place on the field. even out of bounds
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I like how Brock Bowers can be a top 3-5 player on a bunch of notable big boards and the best I’ll be able to muster when we take him at 10 is mild positivity.
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Diva Cupcake posted:I like how Brock Bowers can be a top 3-5 player on a bunch of notable big boards and the best I’ll be able to muster when we take him at 10 is mild positivity. He’s not going to bust but he is going to disappoint whatever team drafts him, relative to expectations.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:He’s not going to bust but he is going to disappoint whatever team drafts him, relative to expectations. Yeah, never draft a TE in the first round.
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wandler20 posted:Yeah, never draft a TE in the first round. Last years TE class has been so good. Majority all on Day 2 and they are booming.
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Anderson Koopa posted:I got the players ranked #1, #34, and #35 for the Patriots in the Goon draft. #22 and #64 for the Broncos. Managed two top 100s despite no second!
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surf rock posted:Legwold's top 100 is out: https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/story/_/id/39913882/2024-nfl-draft-jeff-legwold-ranking-top-100-prospects #14, #56 and #69 (nice). Sounds like Murphy was a steal for me and Lassiter was about right. I dunno if Worthy is gonna be anything but he seems like a dude who could be really fun to watch.
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Nosre posted:From the NE perspective, the whole offseason and all of this relies on the hope that they've fixed their offensive coaching staff and do have a development plan now. Here is my thing, the Pats shouldn't draft a QB for the sake of drafting a QB at 3. If you are forcing the pick, trade out and get a haul and figure it out in next year's draft (or the year after). If you believe in May or Daniels, fine then go for it.
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Sure, I don't write a qualifier like (assuming they believe in the guy) every time I mention taking a QB because every piece of info and rumor we've heard is that they do consider both Maye and Daniels to be prospects worthy of the #3 overall. If somehow all of that was smokescreen, then I definitely agree they shouldn't force it.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Here is my thing, the Pats shouldn't draft a QB for the sake of drafting a QB at 3. If you are forcing the pick, trade out and get a haul and figure it out in next year's draft (or the year after). If you believe in May or Daniels, fine then go for it.
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If they are trading out they are doing a great job smoke screening it. Pretty much everything I’ve seen whether local or national is that they are fine with several of the QBs and will take their guy unless they are offered 69 first rounders. And yeah it’s been reported that Kraft basically told them to take the QB as well. Which could be part of the smoke screen too of course. At least they’re committed to it. Look I will take anything positive about the Patriots organization I can get these days ok. Even if it is “good at lying”.
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We had this argument about not drafting a TE in the first before and people are still having it despite TEs becoming essential parts of modern functioning offenses. We're past the days of 12 personnel Patriots, you can use TEs in a variety of ways and even make them the focal point of a Super Bowl winning team. I think it's due to the athletic boom of big men and the need for quick hitting offenses to find big targets that can get to a spot on the field as fast as a receiver.
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