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FizFashizzle posted:infection and pain management. my cousin died a couple of days ago from burns sustained in a house fire. apparently he was able to speak to family on the phone while at the hospital. i can't stop thinking about how much being conscious for that must have felt.
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Rust Martialis posted:It's the lungs isn't it. Breathing flames yeah at his level of burn damage, the damage done to the lungs by breathing in flames is not something they will be able to save him from. but at that point its honestly a mercy because the skin damage was also going to kill him, just ... over a longer, crueler timeframe
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He died https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/20/man-dies-after-setting-himself-on-fire-outside-trump-trial-courthouse
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Scratch Monkey posted:He died I found this amusing 
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Scratch Monkey posted:He died Alhamdulillah
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FizFashizzle posted:infection and pain management. Also massive, massive dehydration and thermoregulatory issues.
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Apr 20, 2024 20:20
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What if they just turn his pain receptors off like in Dark Man.
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It's really funny to me hearing conservatives and their pundits going on about poor DJT not being able to get a fair trial in NYC because I think about blood red states like Mississippi and Arkansas trying black folks not too terribly long ago with all white juries that sentenced people to HANG because blacks weren't allowed on juries. Or women for that matter. Trump has more clout (and money) in NYC than most people I'd think. Poor guy. Good to know that, in the event I get busted, I get to say that as a bisexual, barely employed, liberal white male then the only place my verdict counts is in Portland, SF, NO or Key West, FL.
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Lammasu posted:What if they just turn his pain receptors off like in Dark Man. That's kinda what they did.
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Lammasu posted:What if they just turn his pain receptors off like in Dark Man. That’s what massive amounts of IV dilaudid and a ketamine infusion will do for you.
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LeeMajors posted:That’s what massive amounts of IV dilaudid and a ketamine infusion will do for you. I also have read that full thickness burns kill the pain nerves anyhow. Not sure if that's even remotely true
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Giuliani’s Son, Former Aide Hit With Subpoenas in Asset Search Original (paywalled) link: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-19/giuliani-s-son-former-aide-hit-with-subpoenas-in-asset-search?srnd=homepage-americas quote:Rudolph Giuliani’s creditors expanded their probe into the former New York mayor’s finances, filing more than a dozen subpoenas in his bankruptcy case on Friday.
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Massive burns are awful. The skin is also the barrier to insensible losses, so depending on the loss of area we’re talking the patient’s burn ICU room is kept very warm. Insensible fluid losses can be difficult to replace and require fairly high IV fluid rates, and that alone can lead to severe edema of the burned areas. Sometimes escharotomies or compartment syndrome decompression surgeries are needed just because of the IV fluids given. The sheer amount of inflammation can lead to coagulopathies as the clotting factors all short circuit, kidney failure, etc. Ventilation management for inhalation injury is a challenge when airway edema or ARDS sets in. The needed IV fluids only makes all that worse. They are very hard patients to treat. I took care of a guy once who was working crew on a boat that suffered a massive explosion. He did survive his burn unit stay. It was maybe 20-30 days later when he was a lot more with it, we realized he also had severe PTSD. I mean, enter the room wrong or drop something outside or his pump starts beeping, and he’s screaming. That was probably the worst outcome effect tbh.
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He was lucky then
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Rust Martialis posted:I also have read that full thickness burns kill the pain nerves anyhow. Not sure if that's even remotely true That is true but you’ve got a gradient of burns out from the full thickness portions. Not to mention the pain of airway burns, intubation, debridement…. I’ve been a medic a long time and burns are one of the few things that give me the willies still.
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"We are 100% behind the police and law enforcement! If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear!" "We can't get a fair trial! This is selective political prosecution! The FBI is totally out of control!"
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BiggerBoat posted:"We are 100% behind the police and law enforcement! If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear!" Well you see the FBI is the Deep State, completely different from all those small-town police departments that routinely targeted and harassed people for suprious reasons because they knew they could get away with it.
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Yeah? Okay. I think we’re all good with that.
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No. Don't. Stop.
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Is that literally the last resort he has? He's repeating that for days now. Seems a bit pathetic to me.
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Oh no, Joe Biden will be prosecuted for his 91 crimes
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Apr 20, 2024 22:29
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Lock her..uh....him...them...someone... Lock...SOMEONE up! USA! USA! USA! No not that person. Some other person. Whatever person I say is bad. Is that Omar lady still in congress? Maybe her. Lock her up for something. I hear Hunter Biden has done drugs so maybe that dude. I don't know. I'm a Republican who only believes in law and order when it doesn't affect me, you see. Also, I go to church every once in a while and pretend to believe in God so... USA USA USA
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I'm not well versed in American Federal/State law. If the state of New York was to order Trump's arrest at the end of his trial, could he circumvent it by fleeing the state and never returning? Are there extradition rules between states? I know this is a completely absurd scenario, but I'd imagine that would hamstring a potential president quite a bit. And hey this is the guy who filed fraudulent bail for his fraud conviction, so maybe he's just bound to end up with the most absurd scenario imaginable...
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The immunity thing is particularly funny because he's arguing that the President should have full criminal immunity while he's not the President. The most spectacularly short-sighted argument he could possibly be making.
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cant cook creole bream posted:I'm not well versed in American Federal/State law. Crossing state lines like that makes it a federal offense and the FBI would be responsible for tracking him down. Part of the reason for the creation of the FBI and federal law enforcement was precisely because criminals could cross state lines and be out of the jurisdiction of the laws they broke. Yes, there are extradition agreements between the states as well.
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cant cook creole bream posted:I'm not well versed in American Federal/State law. There's mandatory extradition between states. It's required by the US Constitution. Article IV, Section 2, Clause 2: quote:A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:No. Don't. Stop. Thing is, Trump thinks everyone is just as corrupt as he is. The concept of loyalty and integrity are completely foreign to him.
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Main Paineframe posted:There's mandatory extradition between states. It's required by the US Constitution. This part is going to be especially fun once states start making it illegal to cross state lines for an abortion elsewhere, then demanding formerly pregnant people return to face justice
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Main Paineframe posted:There's mandatory extradition between states. It's required by the US Constitution.
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Main Paineframe posted:There's mandatory extradition between states. It's required by the US Constitution. Seems pretty solid to me. But some possible points of attacks are the words "Justice" (Is the conviction truly justice?) and "Found" (does a random civilian assuming he saw a person, cause an FBI raid on a private residence to find that guy, or could DeSantis just stonefacedly say, "We haven't found Donald Trump and there is no reason or warrant to search for him in Maralago. Furthermore there's no reason to suspect he'll be at my golf club next saturday. But of course, we will extradite him as soon as we happen to find him.") mawarannahr posted:It can be challenged. The governor in some states can deny extradition if the penalty is life or death. This kind of stuff also happens: Arizona prosecutor refuses to extradite murder suspect to New York. I guess that makes sense. If a person commits crimes in two states, obviously they can't sit in jail in both of those states. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Apr 21, 2024 |
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cant cook creole bream posted:I'm not well versed in American Federal/State law. Typically what happens in state court is that the sentencing happens immediately at the end of the trial; the defendant is taken into custody right then, so there's no opportunity to flee. This is part of why Trump is required to be present at trial.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Typically what happens in state court is that the sentencing happens immediately at the end of the trial; the defendant is taken into custody right then, so there's no opportunity to flee. This is part of why Trump is required to be present at trial. This depends on the state. Some states take months and months to sentence defendants because their supreme courts have added all sorts of process between the two. Others are immediate sentencing. Some are immediate revocations of bail, which means immediate incarceration, pending the wait for sentencing. I have no idea what the rules are in New York. Also if he flees the State the only way to avoid extradition is have the governor of the state he's in personally decline to extradite him. Someone above quoted the constitutional provision that makes it the governor's personal decision. The governor can delegate it but in the end it's the governor. That means to avoid extradition he'd be stuck in states with governors that would do that for him. And good luck with that. And all it would take to circumvent that is a federal warrant in his federal case, which would be easy if he's on the lam in the state case. That means any federal law enforcement (including the secret service) are required to place him in custody, and the feds don't extradite they just transport his rear end. So that's not something to worry about.
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BigHead posted:
So anyway that's how Greg Abbott got picked for the VP slot. I joke I joke. I think.
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On the eve of judgement trump flees to Florida where an emergency session passes a parity law with new York and dc. the same night he is tried and "convicted" of whatever charges hes about to be convicted of in other states and sentenced to supervised (by his daughter or staff) release for the remainder of his life. Bing bong one secret move prosecutors hate this
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If Trump is convicted and sentenced to jail I don't think even the chuddiest pro-Trump governor is going to decline extradition.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Seems pretty solid to me. The Extradition Act elaborates a bit on the Constitution's wording: quote:Whenever the executive authority of any State or Territory demands any person as a fugitive from justice, of the executive authority of any State, District, or Territory to which such person has fled, and produces a copy of an indictment found or an affidavit made before a magistrate of any State or Territory, charging the person demanded with having committed treason, felony, or other crime, certified as authentic by the governor or chief magistrate of the State or Territory from whence the person so charged has fled, the executive authority of the State, District, or Territory to which such person has fled shall cause him to be arrested and secured, and notify the executive authority making such demand, or the agent of such authority appointed to receive the fugitive, and shall cause the fugitive to be delivered to such agent when he shall appear. If no such agent appears within thirty days from the time of the arrest, the prisoner may be discharged. The exceptions that people have mentioned above are, as far as I understand, wrong. Governors do not currently have the legal right to decline to extradite, even if the situation is thought to be "life or death". For much of US history, they did have that ability, as there was no mechanism to force states to comply with an extradition request, due to a Supreme Court ruling from the Civil War declaring that the federal courts had no right to intervene here. However, Puerto Rico v. Branstad overturned that in 1987, allowing federal courts to order states to comply with extradition requests. (as a side note, the judicial history here is kind of fascinating) Under Puerto Rico v. Branstad and other current court precedent, all states are required to comply with valid extradition requests, as long as all the paperwork is correct and in order. The only exception is if the person is already facing trial or serving a sentence in the state they're in, in which case the extradition can be delayed until that sentence is served. If a state refuses to comply with a valid extradition request, the requester can go to the federal courts and ask a federal judge to order the other state to comply with the extradition. mawarannahr posted:It can be challenged. The governor in some states can deny extradition if the penalty is life or death. This kind of stuff also happens: Arizona prosecutor refuses to extradite murder suspect to New York. Despite the Arizona prosecutor's grandstanding, Arizona hasn't actually outright refused a formal extradition request. Bragg doesn't seem to have requested yet that the governor of New York send an official extradition request to the governor of Arizona. And since the suspect in question is facing trial in Arizona too, the governor of Arizona won't be required to carry out the extradition order until that case is over and the Arizona judicial system is done with him.
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Raenir Salazar posted:If Trump is convicted and sentenced to jail I don't think even the chuddiest pro-Trump governor is going to decline extradition. Some say they would https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1641575007552778243 quote:The weaponization of the legal system to advance a political agenda turns the rule of law on its head.
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Yeah, I don't want to go too far down the fan-fiction rabbithole but Abbott/Texas would absolutely welcome that fight and DeSantis/Florida might not be too far behind. Given that prison is unlikely for Trump in this instance it's cart ahead of horse but if you're hellbent on having a crisis, here's a great opportunity for it. Bannon probably dreams about such a circumstance.
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