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atelier morgan posted:china handles it by means of explosives Good lord, it really is stark when you lay it out like that. It's a good thing that America's intangibles are so much better than China's otherwise the US disadvantage in just about every material field would be really bad.
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atelier morgan posted:
Could you expand on that or point to a source? It sounds interesting to read about.
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the idea in theory is at least partially that US air supremacy will make up for the firepower deficiency on the ground, so it’s not that they have less firepower, it’s just been outsourced to the Air Force, allowing the infantry to specialize more. What other armies would handle with mortars or artillery the US will handle with CAS. now in practice that’s really really stupid and will fall apart immediately when facing an enemy with anti-aircraft capability (or, god help you, their own air force) but, well, thread title
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Mister Bates posted:the idea in theory is at least partially that US air supremacy will make up for the firepower deficiency on the ground, so it’s not that they have less firepower, it’s just been outsourced to the Air Force, allowing the infantry to specialize more. What other armies would handle with mortars or artillery the US will handle with CAS. Hmm, a mortar with is at most a radio call away, or can be shouting distance/a runner or an aircraft belonging to an entirely different branch of service? Which is the easiest for immediate firepower for an immediate target?
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https://twitter.com/thinking_panda/status/1781903820630741128?t=jYQgzkQvHvgQuBQHiYRxbg&s=19
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Same, but the Aurora 4X wiki section on missiles and countermeasures. I just assume everything America says about its capabilities is lying for marketing purposes
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KomradeX posted:I just assume everything America says... is lying... 
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Anyway, also the 003 carrier has been fitting out for sea trials, it has also been confirmed the PLAN has also been building a type 76 "drone carrier" as well to go alongside their other ships. It makes sense they would want to split the difference between more traditional carrier designs and a multi-role carrier that can also launch large drones. It is still unclear when they are going to start on their type 004s, but they are going to have 2 drydocks large enough for super carriers.
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Long range automatic grenade launcher sounds like the kind of weapon that will dominate any infantry on infantry combat that doesn't involve serious prepared defensive works.
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Orange Devil posted:Long range automatic grenade launcher sounds like the kind of weapon that will dominate any infantry on infantry combat that doesn't involve serious prepared defensive works. Having played America's Army back in 2005 or so I can confirm this is true
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In Squad, which prides itself on being the spiritual successor to Project Reality, the PLA doesn't have access to the QLZ-87 (the 25mm automatic grenade launcher), or the QLU-11 (the 40mm grenade launcher/anti materiel rifle), which are what their entire infantry squads are built around in reality . On top of that people have gone into the SDK and shown that they've deliberately made the Chinese weapons have more recoil than they should. Meanwhile, the US has access to multiple LAWs, AT-4s, and Carl Gustafs at the individual squad level. It's not surprising the superior high tech American vs Chinese horde armed with garbage narrative persists when even the "simulator" games developed by small studios push it.
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Having played America's Army back in 2005 or so I can confirm this is true I won three championships playing that game, so yeah, I know.
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I just assume its a combination of Americans being rifleman / marksmanship obsessed and downright lazy in not wanting to lug heavy weapons around. It's ridiculous to me that the Chinese and Russians have so many integrated support weapons at the platoon level, from RPG's with thermobaric warheads to automatic grenade launchers, and American troops rely on a single machine gun per squad for everything. For supposedly being so firepower focused American infantry are weirdly lightly armed compared to their contemporaries across the globe.
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https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/07/14/10lb-60mm-ultra-light-mortar-adopted-polish-special-forces-group/ "The 60mm Antos mortar, also previously branded the Norsk USA/DSG Technology iMortar in the USA, is a unique ultra-lightweight medium caliber mortar intended to be carried with light infantry and special forces. In contrast to existing mortars like the 60mm M224 which weigh over 20 kilograms when assembled, the Antos is much ligher, with a total system weight of only 5 kg (~11 lb). It achieves this through a novel design which eliminates the traditional bipod, reduces the mass of the baseplate (which is fixed, instead of removable), and incorporates the use of an innovative liquid sighting system that uses a body of liquid to indicate the ranging distance. Perhaps most significantly, the Antos requires only a single operator, where existing mortars require a gunner plus assistants. A video showing the Antos in operation is embedded below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vkHwLxhOgw The Antos is not a replacement for the existing mortar, as it reportedly cannot duplicate its performance. Durability and barrel life of the Antos is apparently reduced, and the mortar is effective only to 1,230m, much less than the 3,000m + of the M224. However, it’s not difficult to see how incorporating mortars of this type into small special operations forces reconnaissance teams, or even at platoon level in a regular force during certain operations, would be a serious force multiplier." Maybe have a few of these in squads or platoons, whilst having the heavier & longer ranged mortars for self-propelled vehicles as additional support? Nope, that's crazy talk!
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Remember to they reduced weapons companies to platoons in BCT battalions, so the heavy weaponry support has been greatly reduced at the battalion level as well. Maybe some day they will get some of their own FPG drones? Otherwise, an average platoon of motorized infantry will have 6 M249s beyond underbarrel grenade launchers. It is pretty barebones. The F-35 is suppose to do it all...even though countries around the world are banking on AD and at least 2 other powers have their own 5th fighters. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 14:25 on Apr 21, 2024 |
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GoLambo posted:I just assume its a combination of Americans being rifleman / marksmanship obsessed and downright lazy in not wanting to lug heavy weapons around. It's ridiculous to me that the Chinese and Russians have so many integrated support weapons at the platoon level, from RPG's with thermobaric warheads to automatic grenade launchers, and American troops rely on a single machine gun per squad for everything. For supposedly being so firepower focused American infantry are weirdly lightly armed compared to their contemporaries across the globe. These days American infantry sit in fortified bases and only venture out to kill farmers or do sick night time SWAT raids on houses full of children. Don't need a ton of firepower
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Hmm, a mortar with is at most a radio call away, or can be shouting distance/a runner or an aircraft belonging to an entirely different branch of service? Which is the easiest for immediate firepower for an immediate target? If you assume total air superiority that means the F-35's are right there at all times, bing bang bong so simple.
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Orange Devil posted:Long range automatic grenade launcher sounds like the kind of weapon that will dominate any infantry on infantry combat that doesn't involve serious prepared defensive works. in my experience it's great against bugs but only so so against automatons. take it with the supply pack if you want to sustain fire.
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Owlbear Camus posted:in my experience it's great against bugs but only so so against automatons. take it with the supply pack if you want to sustain fire. auto cannon has more anmo, can be crew fed, and doesnt bounce back and kill you.
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Arven posted:In Squad, which prides itself on being the spiritual successor to Project Reality, the PLA doesn't have access to the QLZ-87 (the 25mm automatic grenade launcher), or the QLU-11 (the 40mm grenade launcher/anti materiel rifle), which are what their entire infantry squads are built around in reality . On top of that people have gone into the SDK and shown that they've deliberately made the Chinese weapons have more recoil than they should. I thought the Chinese 5.8x42mm (which I think we've posted about ITT) is supposed to handle really well, too?
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GoLambo posted:I just assume its a combination of Americans being rifleman / marksmanship obsessed and downright lazy in not wanting to lug heavy weapons around. It's ridiculous to me that the Chinese and Russians have so many integrated support weapons at the platoon level, from RPG's with thermobaric warheads to automatic grenade launchers, and American troops rely on a single machine gun per squad for everything. For supposedly being so firepower focused American infantry are weirdly lightly armed compared to their contemporaries across the globe. We stripped away most of the weapons from our Cold War Big Battalions, which were the pride and joy of the Canadian Army literally because getting soldiers to lug around M2s, C6, Eryx, 60mm mortars was considered too onerous, even though the large amount of weapons is what gave our infantry in LAVs and M113s the staying power to actually be useful. Or, on the other hand, they were all left behind in Canada or Kandahar and the personnel used to fill slots on patrols of FOBs, which by birdbrain logic led to "why have them at all?" Across NATO, I think the GWOT really hurt weapons platoons/companies. If people don't see them being useful now, it's too easy to cross them off the establishment.
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Hedenius posted:If I was an American Admiral I would be a bit concerned about the fact that the Houthis managed to force an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer to use it's CIWS to shoot down one of their missiles. If one of the poorest countries in the world can use their limited resources and Iranian help to do that it would be scary to imagine a full on attack by an industrial superpower like China. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKxzI4LuNSU
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GoLambo posted:I just assume its a combination of Americans being rifleman / marksmanship obsessed and downright lazy in not wanting to lug heavy weapons around. It's ridiculous to me that the Chinese and Russians have so many integrated support weapons at the platoon level, from RPG's with thermobaric warheads to automatic grenade launchers, and American troops rely on a single machine gun per squad for everything. For supposedly being so firepower focused American infantry are weirdly lightly armed compared to their contemporaries across the globe. Americans have essentially combined the role of cop and soldier. This means our cops are too heavily armed and our soldiers are under equipped for actual military operations. Military objectives are achieved with bombings or not at all. Cop-soldiers exist to harass the civilians population and prevent the formation of a society capable of resisting the looting.
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americans will be forced to resort to human wave attacks to deal with superior chinese firepower.
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Arven posted:In Squad, which prides itself on being the spiritual successor to Project Reality, the PLA doesn't have access to the QLZ-87 (the 25mm automatic grenade launcher), or the QLU-11 (the 40mm grenade launcher/anti materiel rifle), which are what their entire infantry squads are built around in reality . On top of that people have gone into the SDK and shown that they've deliberately made the Chinese weapons have more recoil than they should. Important to note that Squad was immediately taken over by Finance Guys, who fired all original team members that wouldn't relocate to a vanity office in Canada. They also screwed most people out of their shares and concentrated them in four people, most of whom had not been part of the original team. Then they spent literally millions of dollars on hiring corporate coaches and writing culture handbooks. Also notable is that the company started getting a bunch of military contracts, so some of the ideological rot probably comes from there too. This is why they waste millions of dollars on vanity projects that get cancelled, and exec bonuses. Almost every member of the actual team who wasn't fired quit in disgust. PR, by the way, is awesome these days because they dropped a lot of pretenses and started balancing it as a game. The quality of maps and especially of graphics is very inconsistent, and there's only a few servers and they don't fill every night. But a bunch of the devs returned to it and it's really great if you get a good round.
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Is =HOG Mixed Maps= still a thing? I remember everyone making GBS threads on it but it was always the only full one.
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Important to note that Squad was immediately taken over by Finance Guys, who fired all original team members that wouldn't relocate to a vanity office in Canada. They also screwed most people out of their shares and concentrated them in four people, most of whom had not been part of the original team. Then they spent literally millions of dollars on hiring corporate coaches and writing culture handbooks. No loving way. I hadn't heard any of this. I couldn't figure out some of those decisions, but this is almost more incomprehensible than my assumption that they didn't have enough resources or were trying to thread the needle between Arma and Insurgency Sandstorm.
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I just knew that for a long time they were chasing the twitchy shooter meta because youtubers were used to it.
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AA was fun because beyond effects like “blurred vision” in games now, suppressing fire really meant something. A series of SAW or RPD bursts coming across a partially smoke-obscured road matters when your team is ~10 people and one shot either knocks you out or significantly impairs you for the next half hour.
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Tankbuster posted:I just knew that for a long time they were chasing the twitchy shooter meta because youtubers were used to it. Was that the infantry combat update that I saw a million YouTube videos recommended about?
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Was that the infantry combat update that I saw a million YouTube videos recommended about? yes that was their famous "we are RETVRNing to our roots as a realistic squad based game." All in all looks less fun than project reality because the latter lets you play as the vietcong and shoot rockets at hueys.
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Tankbuster posted:yes that was their famous "we are RETVRNing to our roots as a realistic squad based game." All in all looks less fun than project reality because the latter lets you play as the vietcong and shoot rockets at hueys. SOG Prairie Fire did it the best, even though Arma 3 is janky as gently caress and pretty old at this point.
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According to Fire Power it was Orde Wingate and the Chindits that pioneered the idea of running a campaign where all your supporting fires were provided by air support (because they couldn't haul artillery through the jungles of Burma) and when combined with the USA adopting British methods of coordination between land and air forces (that were perfected by the Desert Air Force) the infection arguably comes from the Brits.
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add that to the list of 21st century American preoccupations Orde Wingate was involved with.
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why doesnt america just build an orbital launching giant mortar and shoot its enemies across the globe from the alaskan tundra?
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gradenko_2000 posted:According to Fire Power it was Orde Wingate and the Chindits that pioneered the idea of running a campaign where all your supporting fires were provided by air support (because they couldn't haul artillery through the jungles of Burma) and when combined with the USA adopting British methods of coordination between land and air forces (that were perfected by the Desert Air Force) the infection arguably comes from the Brits. the chindits suffered from dysentery lol
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Tankbuster posted:the chindits suffered from dysentery lol If only they had helicopters smdh 
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Good god that 40mm Grenada launcher can do programmed airbursts from 600m. That’s loving terrifying.
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Remulak posted:Good god that 40mm Grenada launcher can do programmed airbursts from 600m. That’s loving terrifying. ay caramba
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gradenko_2000 posted:According to Fire Power it was Orde Wingate and the Chindits that pioneered the idea of running a campaign where all your supporting fires were provided by air support (because they couldn't haul artillery through the jungles of Burma) and when combined with the USA adopting British methods of coordination between land and air forces (that were perfected by the Desert Air Force) the infection arguably comes from the Brits. Iirc I came across an argument that the extremely failed Japanese invasion of India happened because they were so impressed with Wingate's successes and didn't realize the UK was covering up all the massive problems his raids had
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