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Soapy_Bumslap: Jun 19, 2013; We're gonna need a bigger chode; Grimey Drawer

Marx is the original red pill, but Mao is the red bean curd ice cream you use to wash it down

# ? Apr 22, 2024 11:32

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# ? May 26, 2024 09:22

Sanlav: Feb 10, 2020; We'll Meet Again

gradenko_2000 posted:

ah yes, a fellow Star Wars Expanded Universe enjoyer

lol. This is so true. I read entire EU between age 11-14 (up to Yuuzhan Vong nonsense) and then ducked out to voraciously consume WoT, Dune, Asimov. There probably wasn't a time i didn't have a star wars book in my bag/desk in school while I ignored my teachers.

# ? Apr 22, 2024 11:32

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

Pomeroy posted:

The frustrated, the over-ambitious, those fundamentally lacking in steadiness of character, see the energy, the spontaneity of middle class reaction, and think they have found a short-cut past the slow, necessary work of organizing our class.

It always has ended, and necessarily always will end the same way, when attempted within the imperial core. To appeal to the most energetic elements of the middle class, in the absence of a credible, powerful working class movement, they gradually throw overboard one principle after another, anything that might alienate middle class reactionaries, until they are indistinguishable from them, and even then, to whatever extent they succeed, they have succeeded only in grafting themselves onto a class and a movement that is incapable of revolutionary action, incapable of any independent action, but quite ready to be picked up and used, put into action, by the ruling class.

# ? Apr 22, 2024 11:41

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Sanlav posted:

lol. This is so true. I read entire EU between age 11-14 (up to Yuuzhan Vong nonsense) and then ducked out to voraciously consume WoT, Dune, Asimov. There probably wasn't a time i didn't have a star wars book in my bag/desk in school while I ignored my teachers.

Imagine if that had been channeled towards nonfiction�. you could have a three year head start on geology, botany, literary theory�

Hashtag make nerds nerdy again

# ? Apr 22, 2024 11:52

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Sanlav posted:

lol. This is so true. I read entire EU between age 11-14 (up to Yuuzhan Vong nonsense)... There probably wasn't a time i didn't have a star wars book in my bag/desk in school while I ignored my teachers.

yup. hard same.

# ? Apr 22, 2024 11:53

Hatebag: Jun 17, 2008

i read a bunch of star wars books as a kid but i don't really remember much of them. han's kid drove a ship into a star, thrawn had anti-force monkeys that had their fingernails grown into trees (?), luke piped down leia in an x-wing.
they certainly never had the new republic resolve any of the issues that lead to the empire taking over

# ? Apr 22, 2024 12:21

Fuligin: Oct 27, 2010; wait what the fuck??

Corran Horn gets around

# ? Apr 22, 2024 12:50

OctaMurk: Jun 21, 2013

Polish president: Poland ready to deploy allied nuclear weapons on its territory

# ? Apr 22, 2024 13:17

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3: Nov 15, 2003

here's a banger that came into my house from the book fair

this kid-targeted historical fiction propaganda is everywhere

# ? Apr 22, 2024 13:22

Sanlav: Feb 10, 2020; We'll Meet Again

gradenko_2000 posted:

yup. hard same.

I realized sometime in engineering school that yeh, I prolly could of got head start on a lot of things if I had any sense of direction when I was young. I just grabbed anything in sight. Funk and Wagnalls? read it cover to cover before it was encarta, and then prolly again as that.

I did music theory in my late 20's and right bout when I got good at sound engineering and doing bass/key parts on midi my back gave out and I can barely play my guitar now. Timing is a b#@$%

I spent more time unlearning bad habits, bad dogma, and horseshit ideology in my early 30's than progressing forward.

# ? Apr 22, 2024 13:26

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

here's a banger that came into my house from the book fair

lol at a Canadian protagonist

# ? Apr 22, 2024 13:28

my bony fealty: Oct 1, 2008

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

here's a banger that came into my house from the book fair

this kid-targeted historical fiction propaganda is everywhere

ah, the "little eichmanns" series

# ? Apr 22, 2024 13:49

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

# ? Apr 22, 2024 13:56

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

Sanlav posted:

lol. This is so true. I read entire EU between age 11-14 (up to Yuuzhan Vong nonsense) and then ducked out to voraciously consume WoT, Dune, Asimov. There probably wasn't a time i didn't have a star wars book in my bag/desk in school while I ignored my teachers.

the vong owned

# ? Apr 22, 2024 13:58

Zerg Mans: Oct 19, 2006

CODChimera posted:

the vong owned

It was a nice answer to the question of "why does Palpatine keep making these things"

# ? Apr 22, 2024 14:11

Officer Sandvich: Feb 14, 2010

https://www.ft.com/content/cc322202-97da-40e6-bdd2-ae1c89deea10

Greece and Spain under pressure to provide Ukraine with air defence systems

EU leaders urge Athens and Madrid to donate shipment as Kyiv’s need is greater than theirs

quote:

Greece and Spain are under intense pressure from their EU and Nato allies to provide more air defence systems to Ukraine, as Kyiv prepares to demand more aid at a meeting of EU foreign and defence ministers on Monday.

Kyiv this month made an urgent plea to western allies for seven additional air defence systems, such as US-made Patriots or Soviet-developed S-300s, as Russia steps up an air and missile campaign against the country’s cities and power infrastructure.

Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy wrote on X on Sunday: “Patriots can only be called air defence systems if they work and save lives rather than standing immobile somewhere in storage bases.”

Only Germany has announced a shipment, of one Patriot system.

Other EU leaders used a summit in Brussels last week to personally urge Spanish and Greek prime ministers Pedro Sánchez and Kyriakos Mitsotakis to donate some of their systems to Ukraine, according to people briefed on the discussions.

The two leaders, whose armed forces possess between them more than a dozen Patriot systems plus others such as S-300s, were told their need was not as great as Ukraine’s and that they did not face any imminent threat.

“We all know who has them, we all know where they are, and we all know who really needs them,” said one of the people.

Officials said less pressure was being put on Poland and Romania, which also have Patriots, to consider shipments to Kyiv given their more vulnerable location on the border with Ukraine.

[....]

The pressure to donate systems will intensify at a meeting of foreign and defence ministers of the EU’s 27 member states in Luxembourg on Monday, officials said. Kyiv is understood to be particularly interested in Greece’s ageing S-300 systems, which Ukrainian forces already have in their arsenal and are experienced with.

“There are countries who are not in an immediate need of their air defence systems, to be very honest,” said one EU diplomat involved in the preparations for the meeting. “Each country is being asked to decide what it can spare.”

The defence ministries of Greece and Spain declined to comment when contacted by the Financial Times. Sánchez said after meeting Zelenskyy last month that Spain would “deliver new capabilities in 2024 to help Ukraine defend itself against Russian aggression”.

Nato secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg said on Friday that he expected new pledges of air defence supplies “will be announced soon” but did not provide any details of the countries or weaponry involved.

Nato has conducted an audit of the air defence capabilities its member states possess and where they are deployed, Stoltenberg said, adding that “this mapping confirms that there are systems including Patriot systems available to be provided to Ukraine”.

# ? Apr 22, 2024 14:24

webcams for christ: Nov 2, 2005

Sanlav posted:

I realized sometime in engineering school that yeh, I prolly could of got head start on a lot of things if I had any sense of direction when I was young. I just grabbed anything in sight. Funk and Wagnalls? read it cover to cover before it was encarta, and then prolly again as that.

I did music theory in my late 20's and right bout when I got good at sound engineering and doing bass/key parts on midi my back gave out and I can barely play my guitar now. Timing is a b#@$%

I spent more time unlearning bad habits, bad dogma, and horseshit ideology in my early 30's than progressing forward.

I'm sorry that happened. you should rehab your back so you can play guitar comfortably again. it's not gone for good. but a lot of us have grown up with bad dogma and horseshit ideology that told us human bodies are like machines that break for good, rather than dynamic, adaptible, resilliant organic systems

# ? Apr 22, 2024 14:25

Sanlav: Feb 10, 2020; We'll Meet Again

webcams for christ posted:

I'm sorry that happened. you should rehab your back so you can play guitar comfortably again. it's not gone for good. but a lot of us have grown up with bad dogma and horseshit ideology that told us human bodies are like machines that break for good, rather than dynamic, adaptible, resilliant organic systems

I'm almost there. Tore achilles in 2021, sedentary + torn rotators led to lots of dislocation of my shoulder, then disc problems. Leg is good, shoulder is rehabbed mostly, now the core needs to turn to stone and never anything but.

# ? Apr 22, 2024 14:29

Officer Sandvich: Feb 14, 2010

Officer Sandvich posted:

https://www.ft.com/content/cc322202-97da-40e6-bdd2-ae1c89deea10

Greece and Spain under pressure to provide Ukraine with air defence systems

EU leaders urge Athens and Madrid to donate shipment as Kyiv’s need is greater than theirs

EU ministers fail to pledge Patriot systems to Ukraine at key meeting

European ministers said on Monday they were looking urgently at how to provide more air defence to Ukraine but they stopped short of concrete pledges of the Patriot systems that Kyiv values most, Retuers reports.

Officials say it is hard for countries to part with Patriots as they are an integral part of national defences.

Ukrainian officials have countered that the risk of EU countries coming under air attack is extremely low, while Ukraine faces such attacks frequently.

Spanish foreign minister Jose Manuel Albares said: “We are well aware of Ukraine’s need for air defence, and especially Patriots and Spain has always done whatever it could.”

He added: “Since it is a real war, I’m not really a friend of the idea of disclosing too much about what we give, when and from where.”

# ? Apr 22, 2024 14:31

webcams for christ: Nov 2, 2005

Sanlav posted:

I'm almost there. Tore achilles in 2021, sedentary + torn rotators led to lots of dislocation of my shoulder, then disc problems. Leg is good, shoulder is rehabbed mostly, now the core needs to turn to stone and never anything but.

hell yeah. that's great to hear. I've 9 ortho surgeries myself and am rehabbing 2 injuries currently, but I'll be damned if it keeps me down

I don't know if you post in ylls or smug fitness fascists but feel free to drop in if you need support or have questions

# ? Apr 22, 2024 14:38

Jel Shaker: Apr 19, 2003

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

here's a banger that came into my house from the book fair

this kid-targeted historical fiction propaganda is everywhere

from the author of �making bombs for hitler�

autobiography?

# ? Apr 22, 2024 14:58

lobster shirt: Jun 14, 2021

gradenko_2000 posted:

Rogue Squadron could have been its own prestige TV series. One season per book up through to the Bacta War, which then spins off directly into Wraith Squadron.

yup

# ? Apr 22, 2024 14:59

speng31b: May 8, 2010

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

here's a banger that came into my house from the book fair

this kid-targeted historical fiction propaganda is everywhere

# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:00

lobster shirt: Jun 14, 2021

Pomeroy posted:

The frustrated, the over-ambitious, those fundamentally lacking in steadiness of character, see the energy, the spontaneity of middle class reaction, and think they have found a short-cut past the slow, necessary work of organizing our class.

It always has ended, and necessarily always will end the same way, when attempted within the imperial core. To appeal to the most energetic elements of the middle class, in the absence of a credible, powerful working class movement, they gradually throw overboard one principle after another, anything that might alienate middle class reactionaries, until they are indistinguishable from them, and even then, to whatever extent they succeed, they have succeeded only in grafting themselves onto a class and a movement that is incapable of revolutionary action, incapable of any independent action, but quite ready to be picked up and used, put into action, by the ruling class.

great post that everyone should read and internalize. middle class reactionaries are not and cannot be part of any political project.

# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:00

Cookie Cutter: Nov 29, 2020; Is there something else that's bothering you Mr. President?

It is an expertly written post, I even googled it to see if it was a quote. But that's just me being a dumbass

# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:05

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Marsha Forchuk Skrypuch (/ˈskrɪpɪk/ SCRIP-ik;[1] born 1954) is a Ukrainian-Canadian children's writer who currently lives in Brantford, Ontario.

quote:

She received a B.A. in English and a Master of Library Science from the University of Western Ontario, and began writing fiction in 1992. Her first book, Silver Threads, was published in 1996.[2]

Marsha Skrypuch is the author of many books for children and young adults. She primarily writes about war from a young person's perspective. She is also the author of the Making Bombs for Hitler trilogy which consists of Making Bombs for Hitler, The War Below, and Stolen Girl.

Awards

1996, Taras Shevchenko for Silver Threads
...
2008 Order of Princess Olga, for her writing on the Holodomor, in particular her book Enough
...
2012 CCBC Best Books For Kids, Starred Review: Making Bombs For Hitler

quote:

I�ve written books on a variety of themes and set within many historical eras, always concentrating on young people plunged in a time of war and persecution. Because Ukraine�s history has been subjected to much disinformation and distortion by both Russia and the former Soviet Union, I�ve written a lot of Ukrainian-themed historically accurate books. If you want to understand the Russian war against Ukraine, inform yourself about the treatment of Ukrainians by both Stalin and Hitler. Putin is channeling them both.

quote:

Traitors Among Us

Originally from Ukraine, Maria and her older sister Krystia have made it through separate ordeals during World War II and are now back together again. They cannot believe their luck: Hitler is dead, and the war has ended.

And yet, they are not as safe as they thought. As the sisters settle into their shared bunk with other exhausted refugees in the Displaced Persons camp, a familiar girl steps through the door, claiming to be Bianka, a Polish forced laborer who worked on a farm with Maria during the war.

Maria is outraged. This girl is not Bianka, but Sophie Huber, an enthusiastic member of the League of German Girls. She�s a Hitler Girl.

Before Maria can turn her in, Sophie claims that Krystia and Maria are Nazis, and the Soviet soldiers don�t seem to be terribly particular about whom they�re taking. The girls are taken away, now in a danger they never imagined. Will they be able to prove their innocence?

quote:

Making Bombs for Hitler

In this companion book to the award-winning Stolen Child, a young girl is forced into slave labour in a munitions factory in Nazi Germany. In Stolen Child, Marsha Forchuk Skrypuch introduced readers to Larissa, a victim of Hitler�s largely unknown Lebensborn program. In this companion novel, readers will learn the fate of Lida, her sister, who was also kidnapped by the Germans and forced into slave labour � an Ostarbeiter.

In addition to her other tasks, Lida�s small hands make her the perfect candidate to handle delicate munitions work, so she is sent to a factory that makes bombs. The gruelling work and conditions leave her severely malnourished and emotionally traumatized, but overriding all of this is her concern and determination to find out what happened to her vulnerable younger sister.

With rumours of the Allies turning the tide in the war, Lida and her friends conspire to sabotage the bombs to help block the Nazis� war effort. When her work camp is finally liberated, she is able to begin her search to learn the fate of her sister.
In this exceptional novel Marsha Forchuk Skrypuch delivers a powerful story of hope and courage in the face of incredible odds.

I do also want to note that that Winterkill book about the Holodomor was published about two weeks before Russia's invasion, so she's been publishing all this stuff about Ukraine even before the balloon went up.

# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:06

OctaMurk: Jun 21, 2013

Dokapon Findom posted:

Apropos of nothing I used to know a guy who read hundreds and hundreds of books, just consumed them voraciously, and never got any smarter

thats because you're supposed to read the books not eat them

# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:06

speng31b: May 8, 2010

gradenko_2000 posted:

Marsha Forchuk Skrypuch (/ˈskrɪpɪk/ SCRIP-ik;[1] born 1954) is a Ukrainian-Canadian children's writer who currently lives in Brantford, Ontario.

Canada.......

# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:07

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Anyone ever find more than the guide to "US WWII Foreign Military Studies, 1945-1954", the only thing I found was basically a couple jpgs of some manuscripts with about 70% broken.

It seems it would be a good time to go through all the stories that Germans made up versus modern scholarship and who is keeping narratives going.

# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:09

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

I think anyone who has done a BA knows you can read a lot without understanding or really learning anything

# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:10

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

The Bircher poo poo, where they blame communists for capitalist alienation, is one of the biggest problems, because I feel like people always think they can be mobilized, but they understand cause and effect almost exactly wrong and are primed to be foot soldiers of reaction, more than anything.

thats the basis for trumpism and right wing populism everywhere. the effects are bad, but the causes - the causes are very good!

# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:12

lobster shirt: Jun 14, 2021

making bombs for hitler (laudatory)

# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:15

StashAugustine: Mar 24, 2013; Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/business/status/1781899273275064645?t=KnqBaJuV34QAOn91oDXO8w&s=19

Oh god acoup-brain is spreading

It's really funny how I was rereading his series on Helms Deep last week and it ends with "the gravest mistake you can do is assuming that because a war might happen then it will happen and in fact we should make it happen, the second worst is trusting in ludicrously overcomplicated technology to overcome social and strategic errors." Absolutely no self reflection

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

The famine, looking back on Applebaum and Snyder’s careers, was all they had to make socialism as bad as Nazism, or for our eastern european friends, Russians as bad as Germans, and that’s why it got so much attention.

I was reading something on Conquest's poo poo about the famine pointing out you can easily pin one or two million deaths on the USSR if you really wanted, and yet for some reason people keep trying to claim the death toll is a little bit over six million

# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:15

VoicesCanBe: Jul 1, 2023; "Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but much of the actual equipment from the new aid package is the long range weapons systems and air defense, right?

If so, it lays out what the strategy is in 2024 - hold the lines however you can while making periodic strikes on Russian territory and the Black Sea Fleet

You could generously interpret this strategy as "we are holding the line while we build up manpower and equipment - we can take the offensive in 2025 when we're ready"

More realistic, it's "hold on for dear life and deal just enough damage to Russian infrastructure and military assets that NATO still thinks this is a worthwhile investment"

Rather than victory, Zelensky's government now seems focused on just keeping the money train going as long as possible. It's the only way to stay in power.

VoicesCanBe has issued a correction as of 15:23 on Apr 22, 2024

# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:19

Sanlav: Feb 10, 2020; We'll Meet Again

Pomeroy posted:

The frustrated, the over-ambitious, those fundamentally lacking in steadiness of character, see the energy, the spontaneity of middle class reaction, and think they have found a short-cut past the slow, necessary work of organizing our class.

It always has ended, and necessarily always will end the same way, when attempted within the imperial core. To appeal to the most energetic elements of the middle class, in the absence of a credible, powerful working class movement, they gradually throw overboard one principle after another, anything that might alienate middle class reactionaries, until they are indistinguishable from them, and even then, to whatever extent they succeed, they have succeeded only in grafting themselves onto a class and a movement that is incapable of revolutionary action, incapable of any independent action, but quite ready to be picked up and used, put into action, by the ruling class.

My childhood buddy went to law school. He was a drug dealing marxist at Stonehill, radicalized me. He was doing Obama rallies in 07 cause he was still a student. Now he robosigns for his Wife's megacorp property company that's buying out the wasteland of American cities to turn into luxury apartments. He likes Taylor swift and thinks Michelle Obama is going to save us once she's ready. He's got a Ukraine/Biden flag on his lawn, and 2 votes for Donald Trump in the bag cause of child tax credits last time we talked.

# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:20

WoodrowSkillson: Feb 24, 2005; *Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/business/status/1781899273275064645?t=KnqBaJuV34QAOn91oDXO8w&s=19

Oh god acoup-brain is spreading

as a giant tolkien nerd this poo poo is so infuriating and such a goddamn travesty. Tolkien personally insulted Nazis. loving losers.

# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:20

VoicesCanBe: Jul 1, 2023; "Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Pomeroy posted:

The frustrated, the over-ambitious, those fundamentally lacking in steadiness of character, see the energy, the spontaneity of middle class reaction, and think they have found a short-cut past the slow, necessary work of organizing our class.

It always has ended, and necessarily always will end the same way, when attempted within the imperial core. To appeal to the most energetic elements of the middle class, in the absence of a credible, powerful working class movement, they gradually throw overboard one principle after another, anything that might alienate middle class reactionaries, until they are indistinguishable from them, and even then, to whatever extent they succeed, they have succeeded only in grafting themselves onto a class and a movement that is incapable of revolutionary action, incapable of any independent action, but quite ready to be picked up and used, put into action, by the ruling class.

Just chiming in to agree this is a very good post

# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:25

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

Sanlav posted:

My childhood buddy went to law school. He was a drug dealing marxist at Stonehill, radicalized me. He was doing Obama rallies in 07 cause he was still a student. Now he robosigns for his Wife's megacorp property company that's buying out the wasteland of American cities to turn into luxury apartments. He likes Taylor swift and thinks Michelle Obama is going to save us once she's ready. He's got a Ukraine/Biden flag on his lawn, and 2 votes for Donald Trump in the bag cause of child tax credits last time we talked.

The system works!

# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:28

VoicesCanBe: Jul 1, 2023; "Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

speng31b posted:

Canada.......

It nearly broke my mind when I first learned about the Ukranian-Canadian diaspora. Both how open they are about hero-worship of Nazi collaborators and how weirdly influential they've been in shaping post-USSR Ukranian politics

# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:29

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# ? May 26, 2024 09:22

Bar Crow: Oct 10, 2012

Zerg Mans posted:

It was a nice answer to the question of "why does Palpatine keep making these things"

He�s building them so he no longer needs the cooperation of the liberals in the Senate to run the Empire. This is stated early in the first movie.

# ? Apr 22, 2024 15:29

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