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Szarrukin posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...re_iOSApp_Other It was very clear from the start. The allegation was a follow-up to calling independent Western media terrorist collaborators for using photos by local Gazan freelancers in their coverage of October 7. It's a blatant attempt to delegitimise any international organisation that may be vocal about Israel's war on the civilian population of Gaza.
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Against a backdrop of far-right politicians trying to clamp down on the right to protest, specifically over Gaza, there have been calls for the head of the UK's Metropolitan Police to resign or be fired in recent days. Triggered by a one minute long video of a police officer allegedly being anti-Semitic to an innocent 'antisemitism campaigner' who just wanted to cross a road. Funnily enough, a longer video has been released showing that he was being allowed incredible patience by the officers present as they talk to him for at least thirteen minutes, repeatedly preventing him from walking into a pro-Palestine protest to start disorder. Far from singling him out for being Jewish in a "Jew-free-zone", they allowed him to get away with multiple arrestable offences including assaulting a police officer. All the while offering to escort him and his little group of cameras and thugs around the protesters. But in the course of that prolonged exchange, under stress, one officer used poor wording, and edited out of context that was enough to try and bring down the head of the force. Presumably so he could be replaced with someone who would crackdown on the right of people to protest for Palestinians. The 'antisemitism campaigner' is the CEO of the Campaign Against Antisemitism. Ostensibly a charity, it was set up in 2014, just when the Israeli state started seriously trying to subvert British politics with an influx of politically connected money. CAA lead the character assassination of lifelong equality advocate and pro-Palestine politician Jeremy Corbyn. It also has ties to Conservative Friends of Israel parliamentary group of government politicians, who have been described by a member of their own party as "extremists" who should be expelled. CAA has previously called for pro-Palestinian marches to be banned, and for the army to be deployed to crush them. It's a striking demonstration of the Israeli subversion/zionist propaganda machine in operation, and how the laudable cause of antisemitism is cynically hijacked as a weapon against the state of Israel's critics. https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news...jewish-13120104
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Nucleic Acids posted:I literally just saw a photo on Twitter of a corpse dug out of a mass grave at Nasser hospital in surgical scrubs with its hands clearly cuffed or tied behind its back. Why is this probated if nobody in American media is in fact covering that photo?
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Jaxyon posted:Why is this probated if nobody in American media is in fact covering that photo? also the user was clearly conversing in good faith as you can see from their responses to examples being brought up downthread. very bad shoot.
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Poster failed to actually check their sources (I a.5?) and failed to support their claims with evidence (II.b.2?), for starters. It's great they admitted their error but you're supposed to do your homework *before* posting, no? Plus frequently the mods see a reported post but don't scroll down the thread to see a retraction some random number of posts later - they probably processed the queue, saw a legit badpost, sixered and moved on. Anyhow I hope something does come of this investigation and war crimes are actually punished. The ICJ would have competence, yrs?
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Jaxyon posted:Why is this probated if nobody in American media is in fact covering that photo? punishedkissinger posted:also the user was clearly conversing in good faith as you can see from their responses to examples being brought up downthread. very bad shoot.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:That didn't seem like the intention of the post given that it did not in any way acknowledge that multiple articles on the subject already existed and covered similar claims. If we are reading it that way though it seems unfair to single out "American media" given that non-western outlets like Al Jazeera and The Cradle have also not covered that specific photo from Twitter. So to be clear, they have been probated for correctly stating that a photo showing an execution-style murdered healthcare worker didn't make it into western press.
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Whataboutism: Now a moderation tool.
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lol, welcome to iking, idiot
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Irony Be My Shield posted:That didn't seem like the intention of the post given that it did not in any way acknowledge that multiple articles on the subject already existed and covered similar claims. If we are reading it that way though it seems unfair to single out "American media" given that non-western outlets like Al Jazeera and The Cradle have also not covered that specific photo from Twitter. So to be clear you're now wanting to go back and change your bad and incorrect probe to a different bad and incorrect probe?
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This worked out really well. Great job, Koos.
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If you are unsatisfied with that decision I would suggest either contacting a D&D mod about it or making a thread in Something Awful Discussion. It is off-topic for this thread which is for discussion of the Israel-Palestine conflict rather than Something Awful moderation policies.
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I don't think it deserved a probe, to be honest. It was meant as an opinion, a strongly worded one, but not a statement of fact that would require some level of evidence. Even being wrong is not supposed to be probatable, as long as it's in good faith. E: sorry, didn't reload the page.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I assume you're talking about the hadji murad probation, given that Nucleic Acids has not made any more posts since. I agree that the post was made in good faith, but when it's something as cut and dry as this I would encourage posters to take the 5 seconds to verify their premise rather than making an argument based on an assumption that is entirely untrue. But the photo of a victim with their hands bound behind their back is legit and is widespread on twitter, but can't be posted here for its obvious gore content. I assume that's what hadji was talking about as no one could deny the media isn't covering the mass grave, just that one particular victim. That was my reading of the OP and of hadji's reply, given my own experience of reading about the mass grave in western news, but seeing none of them cover the obviously executed medical personnel, which was widespread on twitter today.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:If you are unsatisfied with that decision I would suggest either contacting a D&D mod about it or making a thread in Something Awful Discussion. It is off-topic for this thread which is for discussion of the Israel-Palestine conflict rather than Something Awful moderation policies.
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Marenghi posted:But the photo of a victim with their hands bound behind their back is legit and is widespread on twitter, but can't be posted here for its obvious gore content. having a discussion and working it out is not allowed, only probes. sorry.
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I just googled Nasser mass grave and CNN mentions the grave and allegations there's bodies with tied hands https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/22/middleeast/khan-younis-nasser-hospital-mass-grave-intl/index.html quote:Suleiman alleged that some of the bodies had been found with hands and feet tied, “and there were signs of field executions. We do not know if they were buried alive or executed. Most of the bodies are decomposed.” On the other hand apparently many of the bodies were in the mass grave as reinterrals: quote:A CNN stringer who visited the scene Sunday said people had buried the bodies of family members who had been killed in the grounds of the hospital in January as a temporary measure. When they returned after the Israeli withdrawal they found the bodies had been exhumed – apparently because the IDF was using DNA testing to determine whether any of the hostages held in Gaza were among the dead.
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Rust Martialis posted:I just googled Nasser mass grave and CNN mentions the grave and allegations there's bodies with tied hands quote:CNN is unable to verify Suleiman’s claims and cannot confirm the causes of death among the bodies being unearthed.
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Marenghi posted:Weird they can't verify his claims when there's very obvious photographic evidence confirming it. Yeah, well *other news agency* couldn't confirm it either. Learn to Google, idiot. User loses posting privileges for 6 hours. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I would bet that if the evidence checks out, within a day or so you'll see more major news sites reporting on it. So far apart from CNN it just seems to be largely masses of nobody websites repeating the original story from the Palestinian news agency.
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Vorenus posted:Whataboutism: Now a moderation tool. Whatboutism be hasbara shield.
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Szarrukin posted:Whatboutism be hasbara shield. lol
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Marenghi posted:Weird they can't verify his claims when there's very obvious photographic evidence confirming it.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:They would probably want to establish the source of the photo or otherwise cross-check it before reporting on it - there have been plenty of Twitter photos that have proven to be unreliable. Al Jazeera has also not picked it up yet - it will be worth watching to see if they do, as they have on-the-ground reporters who can examine the evidence for themselves. it would have been reasonable to debate and discuss this within this thread. instead you abused your IK powers to probe someone you disagree with.
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punishedkissinger posted:it would have been reasonable to debate and discuss this within this thread. instead you abused your IK powers to probe someone you disagree with. Irony shouldn’t be an IK. Terrible decision.
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punishedkissinger posted:it would have been reasonable to debate and discuss this within this thread. instead you abused your IK powers to probe someone you disagree with.
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punishedkissinger posted:it would have been reasonable to debate and discuss this within this thread. instead you abused your IK powers to probe someone you disagree with.
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punishedkissinger posted:it would have been reasonable to debate and discuss this within this thread. instead you abused your IK powers to probe someone you disagree with.
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hadji murad posted:Irony shouldn’t be an IK. Terrible decision.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:If you are unsatisfied with that decision I would suggest either contacting a D&D mod about it or making a thread in Something Awful Discussion. It is off-topic for this thread which is for discussion of the Israel-Palestine conflict rather than Something Awful moderation policies. Please stop telling people to post SAD threads, SAD's moderation has made it very clear they do not want people to complain about D&D moderation in SAD.
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Iamgoofball posted:Please stop telling people to post SAD threads, SAD's moderation has made it very clear they do not want people to complain about D&D moderation in SAD. Make it rule IV.E.1 or whatever
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Honestly we are belabouring this too much, Irony just be a normal human being and not a DnD poster about it for half a second and cop to a hastey probe and apologize. Nothing about this is complicated. If Irony could do that I don't see why the rest of us can't also be normal people about it and move on.
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Quantum Cat posted:Irony just... a... cop
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https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1782470614512542119 I agree with this assessment, and rando gently caress heads on twitter and in media trying to sic the national guard on these kids are evil.
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punishedkissinger posted:it would have been reasonable to debate and discuss this within this thread. instead you abused your IK powers to probe someone you disagree with.
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the usual D&D dogpile aside all irony needs to do is apologize and also never do that poo poo again. easy asRaenir Salazar posted:backseat modding, posting about the forums  (e: the joke is that you are doing both of those things at this very moment, which i am explaining because i do not trust that to be apparent) Kith fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Apr 23, 2024 |
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Before we close the thread again, just wanna point out that this can be a valuable source for updating and understanding wrt news about the ongoing genocide. For me anyway. The CSPAM thread moves way too fast for me to stay updated, and between bias and war porn I usually don't much care to go on an unmediated safari of the general news. Don't make me an IK though, I will never use buttons I wanna let people tell the forums who they are.
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BRJurgis posted:Don't make me an IK though, I will never use buttons I wanna let people tell the forums who they are. hey koos we got a volunteer
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