[P/I] Live Hamas

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fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

https://x.com/abbydphillip/status/1782610647655604732

quote:

Jewish Columbia University student David Jonah Lederer says he and his brother were harassed and assaulted on campus by Pro-Palestinian protesters over the weekend. Here's his response to faculty walk-outs in support of student protesters: �Where were you when the Jewish students were being harassed� Why are they not walking out for us?�

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# ? May 27, 2024 17:06

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

Ytlaya posted:

Nah he sucks rear end and would be fine with continued Israel support as long as it was done with the right optics and the administration was more convincing in their "efforts" to rein in Israel's behavior. I'll be very surprised if he doesn't still encourage people to support Biden in the election.

There's no rule saying that you have to give praise to "a media guy who has always been a piece of poo poo but said a couple correct things." It's like saying Tucker Carlson is good because he says some things that are correct (and people like Mehdi Hasan are much closer to Carlson than they are anyone decent or good).

I swear, "repentant liberals" are like catnip to some people. I'm guessing it's just an echo of the liberal love for "repentant conservatives." Some habits are hard to quit.

tbf I think the thing is everyone falls for this. You have a soft spot for someone you like personally but in material terms they support horrible poo poo but it gest papered over because you share common politics on one thing. Some leftist would do this with carlson or whoever on the right because they'd mention working class people in some form or another and ignore everything else.

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bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

fits my needs posted:

https://x.com/abbydphillip/status/1782610647655604732

I'm interested in hearing what ways they were harassed

# ? Apr 23, 2024 04:25

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Deliberately conflating opposition to Israeli genocide with antisemitism, and, to put it bluntly, crying out while striking people, is about the worst thing someone who cared about Jewish people in the diaspora more than Israel could do, for Christ's sake.

They're going to fuel actual antisemitism, or at least make people indifferent to it. The lying about victimization, on campus, now, is even more incendiary, because people can see that they're lying and will think they're lying about other instances of antisemitism.

# ? Apr 23, 2024 04:29

Clip-On Fedora: Feb 20, 2011

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Aren't American schools in their final exams this week? They're going to have to make all those classes pass/fail and defer the exams.

I have been told it will be very easy to fire everyone and expel all the students, so I am sure this will be no issue whatsoever. Plans for Neo Super Columbia will proceed apace.

# ? Apr 23, 2024 04:31

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

Weka posted:

So far these massive ongoing protests have resulted in some sanctions on 4 dudes that the USA government explicitly said don't need to be enforced. What possible change in policy do you think can be brought about?

Afaik all Niger has done is ask. Iraq has done this repeatedly. America is unlikely to give up their western outpost against Iran as easily.

I don't have much hope for a change in US government policy. However, parts of the US ruling class and media apparatus seem to believe that massive ongoing protests against genocide are part of an ongoing foreign plot that must be crushed.

The Wall Street Journal had a long article today from the leader of MEMRI about how protests in the US are part of the scheme by the Resistance Axis to destroy Israel.

https://twitter.com/mdubowitz/status/1782512963066249547

quote:

Who�s Behind the Anti-Israel Protests
Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis and others are grooming activists in the U.S. and across the West.

By Steven Stalinsky
April 22, 2024 1:14 pm ET

Protests against Israel expanded on college campuses last week, sometimes turning violent. At Columbia University, demonstrators chanted support for terrorist organizations, burning the American flag and waving Hezbollah�s. They called for Hamas�s Al-Qassam Brigades to attack again, and taunted Jewish students: �Never forget the 7th of October,� and �That will happen . . . 10,000 more times!�
It isn�t only on campuses. Three men interrupted the Easter vigil at St. Patrick�s Cathedral in New York, unfurling a banner and shouting �Free Palestine.� Since Oct. 7, countless religious and national, political and sports events have been disrupted by such demonstrations, whose organizers know how to maximize exposure and sway public perceptions. What is most discouraging is the lack of attention to what the protesters are demanding, which goes far beyond a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war.

Take the March 28 re-election fundraiser for President Biden in New York featuring Barack Obama and Bill Clinton, which was disrupted by shouting in the auditorium. That made headlines, yet the protesters� chants, including �Down with the USA� and the �Al-Qassam are on their way,� a reference to Hamas�s miliary wing, received no coverage. Neither did their physical threats to attendees outside, a common tactic. Also ignored are the flags and posters of designated terrorist organizations�Hamas, Hezbollah, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine�displayed at protests in the U.S., Canada and the U.K.

Major terror organizations have expressed support for these protests and disruptive actions, which have long been a key part of Hamas�s plan to win hearts and minds in the West. As early as a decade ago, during the July-August 2014 Israel-Gaza war, Hamas�s Interior Ministry issued guidelines to social-media activists on framing events for a Western audience.
It is no coincidence that official statements by Hamas and major jihadist groups about the protests are nearly identical. The statements seem like talking points for pressuring U.S. and Western decision makers. They appear to be working. On April 4 President Biden, under massive pressure for supporting Israel, warned Israel of major changes to U.S. policy if it didn�t ease its military campaign in Gaza. Hamas seized on the U.S.-Israel dispute with a statement calling on �all free people of the world� to protest.

A blatant example of jihadist talking points came from Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah on March 13, when he lauded the political activity of American Muslims in Michigan as �very influential.� He said of the �many people demonstrating in America� that �we should salute them� and called the �uncommitted� primary campaign against Mr. Biden, which originated in Dearborn, Mich., �the most important means of pressure on the Biden administration.� Mr. Nasrallah had already cited the effect of protests �in Washington, New York, London, Paris and Western Europe� in a Nov. 11 speech, lauding their power to �apply pressure on their governments.�

Every senior Hamas leader has also acknowledged the importance of the protests and said that influencing U.S. and Western policy is part of the organization�s strategy for destroying Israel. Khaled Mashal, the Hamas leader abroad, on Oct. 10 urged supporters to protest �in cities everywhere.� On Oct. 31, he said that the organization�s friends �on the global left� were responding to its appeal. On March 27, he called for millions to take to the streets in protest, saying there had been an unprecedented shift in global public opinion.

On Oct. 7, Hamas leader and former Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh alluded to this on Al Jazeera TV. He exhorted the �resistance abroad,� �strategic allies� and Muslims worldwide�all �partners in creating this great victory��to �join this battle any way they can.� Hamas political bureau member Osama Hamdan underlined the �large impact� of the protests �in pressuring the decision makers in the world� in an interview on Nov. 12.
Six months after the attack on Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis and others aren�t merely cheering those protesting in the streets. They are working with and grooming activists in the U.S. and the West, through meetings, online interviews and podcasts.

Haytham Abdo, a PFLP representative, highlighted this cooperation in a Jan. 31 interview with Brian Becker, national coordinator of the Answer Coalition, a hard-left antiwar umbrella group. Mr. Abdo said this is the �first time� there has been such a �massive demonstration� of support in the U.S. Claiming that more than 50% of young Americans are now pro-Palestinian, he said, �We see that the Biden, or the American, administration, now, [is] affected by this transformation in the U.S. people.�
On March 25, the Columbia University Apartheid Divest student group hosted an event called �Resistance 101� on campus. It featured leaders of the PFLP-affiliated Samidoun, Within Our Lifetime and other extremist organizations. At the event, former PFLP official Khaled Barakat referred to his �friends and brothers in Hamas, Islamic Jihad [and] the PFLP in Gaza,� saying that particularly after Oct. 7, �when they see students organizing outside Palestine, they really feel that they are being backed as a resistance and they�re being supported.� On March 30 on Hezbollah�s Al-Manar TV, Mr. Barakat said �the vast majority� of young Americans and Canadians now �support armed resistance� because of �the introduction of colonialism, racism, and slavery studies into history curricula.�

At a Jan. 21 New York event held by the Marxist-Leninist Workers World Party, an official Hamas statement was read and videos were screened from PFLP, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and Houthi officials. Ibrahim Mousawi, a Hezbollah member of Lebanon�s Parliament, underscored his organization�s support for the protests, saying they are �much needed and very much appreciated by our people here� and that �we really support this work.� Hezbollah and Western activists, he said, stand �together, one front� against Israel, against the U.S. and its �tyranny,� and against �Western hegemony and imperialism.� Houthi leader Nasreddine Aamir also thanked and commended the protesters in the West who �take a stand and participate in marches and go out in the streets.�

The collaboration between senior terrorists and their growing list of friends in the U.S. and the West has real-world consequences. These groups are designated terrorist for a reason. They don�t plan marches and rallies�they carry out terrorist attacks. And when the U.S. and Western activists, including college students, see that their marches and protests aren�t achieving their goals, they may consider their next steps�which will be influenced by the company they have been keeping.

Mr. Stalinsky is executive director of the Middle East Media Research Institute

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DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

I seem to recall they believed the same thing about the protests during the Vietnam war, much to the confusion of the North Vietnamese.

# ? Apr 23, 2024 04:37

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

it would be extremely hosed up if a government run by a bunch of terrorists had organizations on every campus and in every institution in civil society promoting their agenda

# ? Apr 23, 2024 04:39

Salvor_Hardin: Sep 13, 2005; I want to go protest.; Nap Ghost

Clip-On Fedora posted:

I have been told it will be very easy to fire everyone and expel all the students, so I am sure this will be no issue whatsoever. Plans for Neo Super Columbia will proceed apace.

# ? Apr 23, 2024 04:40

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Dreylad posted:

it would be extremely hosed up if a government run by a bunch of terrorists had organizations on every campus and in every institution in civil society promoting their agenda

Much like a socialist country emerging from the chaos and destruction of civil war and intervention by every great power of Europe probably wasn't behind every strike, labour movement and "subversive" cultural and artistic trend, yet that was embraced for 70 years.

# ? Apr 23, 2024 04:41

maxwellhill: Jan 5, 2022

Dreylad posted:

it would be extremely hosed up if a government run by a bunch of terrorists had organizations on every campus and in every institution in civil society promoting their agenda

but enough about the CIA

# ? Apr 23, 2024 04:43

ram dass in hell: Dec 29, 2019

Dolash posted:

They're blackballing the students who protest rather than letting them vent off their radicalism as a flex. These release valves have served their purpose, and the system is now so entrenched, its victory now so assured, that it no longer needs to tolerate even these purely performative shows of defiance. There'll be plenty of precarious strivers left to staff the machine after the most radical ones have been made an example of, and the expelled are functionally dead and pose no threat to the system.

At least, that's the implicit logic of this reaction, whether or not it's actually accurate. The more reactionary elements have always hated these little optics compromises of the liberal elements of the ruling class. Given how poorly exercising their material power has gone elsewhere lately, showing their absolute domestic authority is a little pick-me-up.

# ? Apr 23, 2024 04:51

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

Dolash posted:

They're blackballing the students who protest rather than letting them vent off their radicalism as a flex. These release valves have served their purpose, and the system is now so entrenched, its victory now so assured, that it no longer needs to tolerate even these purely performative shows of defiance. There'll be plenty of precarious strivers left to staff the machine after the most radical ones have been made an example of, and the expelled are functionally dead and pose no threat to the system.

At least, that's the implicit logic of this reaction, whether or not it's actually accurate. The more reactionary elements have always hated these little optics compromises of the liberal elements of the ruling class. Given how poorly exercising their material power has gone elsewhere lately, showing their absolute domestic authority is a little pick-me-up.

The US ruling class would rather engage in a political purge than cut back on their support for Israel

https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1782561283239264701

# ? Apr 23, 2024 04:53

Automata 10 Pack: Jun 21, 2007; Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette

Atrocious Joe posted:

I don't have much hope for a change in US government policy. However, parts of the US ruling class and BBC media apparatus seem to believe that massive ongoing protests against genocide are part of an ongoing foreign plot that must be crushed.

The Wall Street Journal had a long article today from the leader of MEMRI about how protests in the US are part of the scheme by the Resistance Axis to destroy Israel.

https://twitter.com/mdubowitz/status/1782512963066249547

these idiots. all you need to do is spread a narrative that without usa�s support Netanyahu would ally with Putin, bing bong the libs are on your side

but they can�t because they�re so compromised that they can�t even bite a single bullet to create a narrative that convinces people away from �America is doing the worst possible thing�

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fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

https://x.com/nypost/status/1782618039571059150

# ? Apr 23, 2024 04:56

BRAKE FOR MOOSE: Jun 6, 2001

bedpan posted:

I'm interested in hearing what ways they were harassed

they went out to the protest with an Israeli flag. I'm sure they were poo poo on ruthlessly. but the headline is that they're being harassed for being Jewish, not that they're waving a loving Israeli flag around.

# ? Apr 23, 2024 04:57

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Yes.

University protest has been defanged for more than a half century. It was just kids "working things out of their system". York University had "Israeli Apartheid Week" for as long as I can remember, nobody paid any attention. The administrations acting, and then overreacting like it's a threat, has made this protest relevant.

When it comes to "provoke an overreaction against the protestors, in full view of the media", the schools are accidentally using the playbook for a colour revolution -developed at these same schools - and doing it to themselves?

Eh, it seems more like a sustained push by the youngs against the outdated ideas of the olds, as in every other movement toward change. And a lot of them *will* end up absorbed into the system (capital as well as government); I speak from having seen it firsthand.

But sometimes poo poo gets so bad that things are forced to change. Just as 1968 saw a worldwide student rebellion that wasn't able to be repressed or co-opted I think we're seeing something similar this year.

History's littered with provoking overreactions against the protestors, and it usually works out in the protestors' favor in the long run if the cause is just. Anti-apartheid is just, and right to fight for, and the kids will win in the end. But it's that last push that hurts the most, because the old guard has so much to lose, and because it's used to having its way.

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shimmy shimmy: Nov 13, 2020

BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:

they went out to the protest with an Israeli flag. I'm sure they were poo poo on ruthlessly. but the headline is that they're being harassed for being Jewish, not that they're waving a loving Israeli flag around.

i'm sure that they see these two things as being identical.

# ? Apr 23, 2024 05:09

fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

lol its amusing that the twitter accounts of a friggin white helmets guy & a 'blm' guy are both very worried about violence and protests being a distraction or whatever

# ? Apr 23, 2024 05:11

Asproigerosis: Mar 13, 2013; insufferable

Atrocious Joe posted:

The US ruling class would rather engage in a political purge than cut back on their support for Israel

https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1782561283239264701

Yeah, they will eventually win as the bulk of firebrand protestors are jailed and beaten, resulting in the desired chilling on the rest of the country and back to unquestioned billions in aid to genocide. We all saw how thoroughly the libs demolished BLM.

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Mandel Brotset: Jan 1, 2024

lol cnn is reporting columbia is shutting down for rest of the semester this is absolutely going to spread

# ? Apr 23, 2024 05:44

Best Friends: Nov 4, 2011

Asproigerosis posted:

Yeah, they will eventually win as the bulk of firebrand protestors are jailed and beaten, resulting in the desired chilling on the rest of the country and back to unquestioned billions in aid to genocide. We all saw how thoroughly the libs demolished BLM.

a big part of blm being erased was liberals joining in and going �actually what this is really about is electing democrats. I�m an ally.�

no risk of that happening here imo. or at least not that exact thing.

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Mandel Brotset: Jan 1, 2024

we�re getting may 68

# ? Apr 23, 2024 05:46

Clip-On Fedora: Feb 20, 2011

Asproigerosis posted:

Yeah, they will eventually win as the bulk of firebrand protestors are jailed and beaten, resulting in the desired chilling on the rest of the country and back to unquestioned billions in aid to genocide. We all saw how thoroughly the libs demolished BLM.

Yeah, but that was a carrot and stick approach. However, Zionists cannot abide the carrot, and they are in rapture of the stick, and ultimately that is their greatest flaw. I�m not sure this will go down the same way.

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zetamind2000: Nov 6, 2007; ~~I'm an alien.~~

Mandel Brotset posted:

we�re getting may 68

the dnc's gonna be lit as hell this year

# ? Apr 23, 2024 05:48

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

Stringent posted:

I've found one of the most interesting parts about the various reactions to Gaza in the US has been how direct the conflict between the ruling class and the general population has been. Ordinarily the rulers are content to just sit back and let the system work, but they seem to be taking a much more direct approach to this issue. A lot of masks have come off in the past few months, hopefully people are taking notes.

# ? Apr 23, 2024 05:52

theCalamity: Oct 23, 2010; Cry Havoc and let slip the Hogs of War

https://twitter.com/jakemgrumbach/status/1782525218621407349

# ? Apr 23, 2024 05:55

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

Chicago goonmeet this august.

# ? Apr 23, 2024 05:56

Mandel Brotset: Jan 1, 2024

god drat this is inspiring

# ? Apr 23, 2024 05:57

Sleekly: Aug 21, 2008

the bayonets always get me

# ? Apr 23, 2024 06:12

Harik: Sep 9, 2001; From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars; Plaster Town Cop

Willa Rogers posted:

Chicago goonmeet this august.

there's gonna be goons called up to be on the left side of that, beating goons on the right.

# ? Apr 23, 2024 06:14

World Famous W: May 25, 2007; BAAAAAAAAAAAA

Sleekly posted:

the bayonets always get me

need to learn to dodge roll

# ? Apr 23, 2024 06:15

Harik: Sep 9, 2001; From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars; Plaster Town Cop

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Somewhere, bibi's sphincter just puckered and he has no idea why

# ? Apr 23, 2024 06:15

Spergin Morlock: Aug 8, 2009

fits my needs posted:

https://x.com/nypost/status/1782618039571059150

remember when putin ganked his super bowl ring? lol good times

# ? Apr 23, 2024 06:21

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

Stringent posted:

I've found one of the most interesting parts about the various reactions to Gaza in the US has been how direct the conflict between the ruling class and the general population has been. Ordinarily the rulers are content to just sit back and let the system work, but they seem to be taking a much more direct approach to this issue. A lot of masks have come off in the past few months, hopefully people are taking notes.

I wonder if there are people who do know better and know that knowing the academic calendar and the tempo of American politics most of this poo poo would wind down by September, but the zionists and israelis are dead set on cracking down on any dissent on either side of the ocean and are forcing an overcorrection.

# ? Apr 23, 2024 06:26

Spaced God: Feb 8, 2014; All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!

Harik posted:

Somewhere, bibi's sphincter just puckered and he has no idea why

Inshallah

# ? Apr 23, 2024 06:32

Clip-On Fedora: Feb 20, 2011

Dreylad posted:

I wonder if there are people who do know better and know that knowing the academic calendar and the tempo of American politics most of this poo poo would wind down by September, but the zionists and israelis are dead set on cracking down on any dissent on either side of the ocean and are forcing an overcorrection.

Again, they seriously do not know when to put the loving stick down and this will be their downfall.

# ? Apr 23, 2024 06:39

youcallthatatwist: Sep 22, 2013

Mods lmk if this smackdown is too brutal to post here

https://x.com/poetryc0mmunity/status/1782618421294960805

# ? Apr 23, 2024 06:39

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

Clip-On Fedora posted:

Again, they seriously do not know when to put the loving stick down and this will be their downfall.

What's that one definition of fascism? Taking the violence inflicted on the colonies and turning it inward towards the polity?

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# ? May 27, 2024 17:06

PhilippAchtel: May 31, 2011

Dreylad posted:

tbf I think the thing is everyone falls for this. You have a soft spot for someone you like personally but in material terms they support horrible poo poo but it gest papered over because you share common politics on one thing. Some leftist would do this with carlson or whoever on the right because they'd mention working class people in some form or another and ignore everything else.

It's not falling for anything. We know precisely who and what Mehdi is.

But mass movement politics involves working with people and occasionally boosting people who often have problematic views in other contexts. Immediately correct them when they stray, but you can never build critical mass if you keep finding reasons to exclude people.

# ? Apr 23, 2024 06:56

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