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Halloween Jack posted:GURPS aside, I assume the Fallout team must have been into overcomplicated 80s milsim RPGs, what with all the calibers and prototype guns. Twilight 2000?
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saying that Joe Biden is the best president ever not just dunks on Obama (but they were already doing that anyway), but also retroactively makes FDR seem bad
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Halloween Jack posted:GURPS aside, I assume the Fallout team must have been into overcomplicated 80s milsim RPGs, what with all the calibers and prototype guns. Very likely, though that's just a common nerd thing too. And it's clearly a point of appeal for a lot of people. Was lol in another thread that someone was complaining about WW2 era guns showing up in the future when that's absolutely in line with the games.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Very likely, though that's just a common nerd thing too. And it's clearly a point of appeal for a lot of people. Didn't they just add wooden stocks to XM8s, G36 etc in the newer games to make them new-old?
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My hot take is that actually showing what life was like before the bombs dropped was a mistake - a big part of the pre-Bethesda (and even pre-FO4) writing is that you're supposed to look upon the pre-war days as a hazy, indistinct Good Old Days that's open to all sorts of interpretation with only very limited peeks into it, but by showing that life really was a sort of idyllic 1950s atomic-punk suburbia (even with all of the undertones of conflict lying just beneath), you get into all sorts of debates about how whether it really was China that launched the nukes first when the point is that none of it matters and you can't go back to the past anymore.
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gradenko_2000 posted:My hot take is that actually showing what life was like before the bombs dropped was a mistake - a big part of the pre-Bethesda (and even pre-FO4) writing is that you're supposed to look upon the pre-war days as a hazy, indistinct Good Old Days that's open to all sorts of interpretation with only very limited peeks into it, but by showing that life really was a sort of idyllic 1950s atomic-punk suburbia (even with all of the undertones of conflict lying just beneath), you get into all sorts of debates about how whether it really was China that launched the nukes first when the point is that none of it matters and you can't go back to the past anymore.  Similarly explaining how the nuclear war actually started and who shot first completely ruins the broader point that it doesn't matter: whoever started the MAD chain and whatever reasons they had for it literally do not matter because the result was same regardless.
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Sydin posted:
Even Mothership Zeta understood that and had characters discuss it in universe, no one knows who started it (and also hinted that the aliens might have, lol) and no one is considered to have won.
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ram dass in hell posted:Jedi can't mind meld that's a Vulcan thing unless there's a Vulcan Jedi somewhere. kind of sounds epic tho... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyD0nk1ud9w
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Sanlav posted:I was ready to argue there's no way Fallout fans could think that. It was China tho, you can find early warning systems with records of stealth aircraft firing the initial salvo, and in fallout lore, stealth was a Chinese military thing. Not to mention that in universe, the US Army was pushing into Bejig at that time.
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gradenko_2000 posted:My hot take is that actually showing what life was like before the bombs dropped was a mistake - a big part of the pre-Bethesda (and even pre-FO4) writing is that you're supposed to look upon the pre-war days as a hazy, indistinct Good Old Days that's open to all sorts of interpretation with only very limited peeks into it, but by showing that life really was a sort of idyllic 1950s atomic-punk suburbia (even with all of the undertones of conflict lying just beneath), you get into all sorts of debates about how whether it really was China that launched the nukes first when the point is that none of it matters and you can't go back to the past anymore. Would be cool to get the perspective of someone that wasn't rich as gently caress, or maybe not even American
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raisin kane posted:wide wide wide wide wide you’re getting nervous man!!
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mawarannahr posted:how? I went to school for nuclear medicine almost entirely because of the fallout and stalker games + learning about chernobyl.
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Oh nice, they're taking him out to the farm to play with my dog and hamster from elementary school!
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Asproigerosis posted:I went to school for nuclear medicine almost entirely because of the fallout and stalker games + learning about chernobyl. lol
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gradenko_2000 posted:My hot take is that actually showing what life was like before the bombs dropped was a mistake - a big part of the pre-Bethesda (and even pre-FO4) writing is that you're supposed to look upon the pre-war days as a hazy, indistinct Good Old Days that's open to all sorts of interpretation with only very limited peeks into it, but by showing that life really was a sort of idyllic 1950s atomic-punk suburbia (even with all of the undertones of conflict lying just beneath), you get into all sorts of debates about how whether it really was China that launched the nukes first when the point is that none of it matters and you can't go back to the past anymore. My hot take is the show did a pretty good job showing a society that was technically functioning, comfortable even, but certainly not idyllic and absolutely on the brink of societal upheaval. You could see society fraying around the edges even for a comfortable celebrity like Cooper Howard. One of the first background details you get is a screenwriter with a name like Bronco Bill has been blacklisted because he’s been accused of being a communist, which is super off because there’s no way a guy with a name like that is actually a communist.
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Clip-On Fedora posted:My hot take is the show did a pretty good job showing a society that was technically functioning, comfortable even, but certainly not idyllic and absolutely on the brink of societal upheaval. You could see society fraying around the edges even for a comfortable celebrity like Cooper Howard. One of the first background details you get is a screenwriter with a name like Bronco Bill has been blacklisted because he’s been accused of being a communist, which is super off because there’s no way a guy with a name like that is actually a communist. Life for the average American in 2077 loving sucked
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It sucked even worse if you were a Canadian.
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Clip-On Fedora posted:It sucked even worse if you were a Canadian. good
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Yeah, I get the vibe it's absolutely meant to be people going through the motions of suburban life as the world is visibly fraying around them, nuclear war is treated as a given inevitability, they're surrounded by increasingly shrill and aggressive jingo and basic necessities are getting more and more out of reach while fancy toys are dangled as distractions. The shallow facade is the point.
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I think West Virginia secedes from the US as well and there's a mini civil war in the background. The only real difference is the lack of Internet and they are only just beginning to reverse engineer alien wreckage into circuit boards and miniaturized electronics. My personal fan theory is that the deviation point in the timeline was Roswell or whatever Roswell was cover for didn't happen in the fallout universe until the 2070s Stinky Wizzleteats has issued a correction as of 06:02 on Apr 23, 2024 |
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Clip-On Fedora posted:Because they hate the fact that she even has a place at the table in the first place. It's a reminder that their voting base can primary them if they gently caress up hard enough, and that is intolerable to the corrupt old fuckups that run the party. Better to send the message to the base that they have no power and the party holds all the cards. it's possible the main cause is ftv. for one brief moment, aoc and the squad had power over pelosi. they obviously never had any intention of using that power. they are democrats, after all. but still, i wouldn't be surprised if pelosi and her ilk have nursed a grudge ever since. or maybe the squad have been marginalized and slowly pushed out because the us is a corrupt gerontocracy and they still have all of their original organs.
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loquacius posted:Maddow went on a whole long rant blaming third-party voters and she had to grant Hillary 100% of green votes AND 50% of libertarian votes to make the numbers work lol third party didn’t really matter. what lost it for Hillary is in democratic strongholds like Milwaukee County tens of thousands of people who voted for Barry in 2012 didn’t bother voting at all in 2016. she received 40,000 fewer votes in that county alone.
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aoc is donating to the dccc and palling around with genocide joe. i think shell be fine
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comedyblissoption posted:aoc is donating to the dccc and palling around with genocide joe. i think shell be fine That's the thing these people have no concept of gratitude and zero trust for anyone who wasn't born into the club
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:it's possible the main cause is ftv. for one brief moment, aoc and the squad had power over pelosi. they obviously never had any intention of using that power. they are democrats, after all. but still, i wouldn't be surprised if pelosi and her ilk have nursed a grudge ever since. No, I would call ftv the moment the establishment successfully broke AOC and the squad. I don’t know what was offered or threatened, but ever since then they have have shown nothing but fealty to the establishment Dems. I think the main cause was AOC successfully unseating Joe Crowley in the first place. That was not loving supposed to happen. Crowley was already anointed by the party and his election was supposed to be a formality. It was a sign that the base was seriously pissed off and there might actually be consequences for them losing the 2016 election. Then other “socialist” candidates started getting elected and suddenly this nice thing of theirs that seemed like it would last forever suddenly started seeming less and less certain everyday. So I agree with your second point. I don’t think it matters how loyal the squad are now because the establishment Dems will never truly feel safe and secure until they are all gone. Not because of who they are, but because of what they represent: a specter that threatens their status and positions.
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Asproigerosis posted:I went to school for nuclear medicine almost entirely because of the fallout and stalker games + learning about chernobyl. that is pretty cool  thanks for sharing 
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Ghost Leviathan posted:people going through the motions of suburban life as the world is visibly fraying around them, nuclear war is treated as a given inevitability, they're surrounded by increasingly shrill and aggressive jingo and basic necessities are getting more and more out of reach while fancy toys are dangled as distractions.  Ominous
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tiktok should retruth this on their front page
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comedyblissoption posted:tiktok should retruth this on their front page 
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Rubellavator posted:It was always implied to be China until this show came out. No, it's been implied that the US government assumed it must have been China, but there have been clues heavily implicating Vault-Tec for a long time. I think it's safe to say this was always the canon interpretation, just hidden behind layers of in-game propaganda and historical revisionism. Edit: A valid interpretation anyway. PhilippAchtel has issued a correction as of 07:32 on Apr 23, 2024 |
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Lord of Pie posted:Turns out they don't even have to get that serious, the succ yearns to vote for their own Of all the real world people who look like they fell out of Disco Elysium, this guy is the most.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:it's possible the main cause is ftv. for one brief moment, aoc and the squad had power over pelosi. they obviously never had any intention of using that power. they are democrats, after all. but still, i wouldn't be surprised if pelosi and her ilk have nursed a grudge ever since. Force the Vote was the inflection point of the alternate history timeline 
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gradenko_2000 posted:My hot take is that actually showing what life was like before the bombs dropped was a mistake - a big part of the pre-Bethesda (and even pre-FO4) writing is that you're supposed to look upon the pre-war days as a hazy, indistinct Good Old Days that's open to all sorts of interpretation with only very limited peeks into it, but by showing that life really was a sort of idyllic 1950s atomic-punk suburbia (even with all of the undertones of conflict lying just beneath), you get into all sorts of debates about how whether it really was China that launched the nukes first when the point is that none of it matters and you can't go back to the past anymore. Nah, I think this is correct. Unfortunately, we know exactly how any subtlety or shades of gray get taken when discussing conflict between the US and communist adversaries, so if you want anything other than "communism bad" you have to beat people over the head with the message.
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