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Pablo Bluth posted:Can the defendant decline to take that stand, or do they have to actually listen to questions and plead the fifth? They can straight up decline. Jesus I hope you guys aren't Americans. He's doing it because his testimony is evidence required for his defence, typically that's the only reason a defendant would ever give testimony at their own trial.
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Apr 23, 2024 09:54
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lol at taking the 5th/refusing to testify in your own defence that would be just a massive flashing "I am guilty" for him "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I am innocent but I cannot explain how without incriminating myself by the way THIS IS RIGGED AND I DO NOT HAVE SMALL HANDS!"
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Apr 23, 2024 10:10
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Pablo Bluth posted:Can the defendant decline to take that stand, or do they have to actually listen to questions and plead the fifth? The defendant in a criminal case is never required to take the stand. The choice whether to do so always belongs to them (and it's almost always a bad idea to).
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Apr 23, 2024 10:23
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Funky See Funky Do posted:They can straight up decline. Jesus I hope you guys aren't Americans. He's doing it because his testimony is evidence required for his defence, typically that's the only reason a defendant would ever give testimony at their own trial.
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Apr 23, 2024 10:24
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Funky See Funky Do posted:They can straight up decline. Jesus I hope you guys aren't Americans. He's doing it because his testimony is evidence required for his defence, typically that's the only reason a defendant would ever give testimony at their own trial. Jesus I hope you guys aren't Americans, imagine not knowing every nuance of the legal system!
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Apr 23, 2024 10:27
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If I were American I would simply not get caught committing any crimes, and eat burg every day
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Apr 23, 2024 10:31
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How long is the hush money trial supposed to take?Failed Imagineer posted:If I were American I would simply not get caught committing any crimes, and eat burg every day 
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Apr 23, 2024 10:31
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Pablo Bluth posted:I'm British, where our right to silence works differently. Same deal there. There is possibly a difference in police interrogation laws where cops in the uk can continue to pose questions with a lawyer present but the suspect can't be obliged to answer whereas in the US if a suspect asks for a lawyer all questioning is supposed to end. It doesn't always in practice, but it should. iirc the whole concept has its roots in English common law but don't quote me on that. SilvergunSuperman posted:Jesus I hope you guys aren't Americans, imagine not knowing every nuance of the legal system! It's a fundamental cornerstone of the legal system.
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Apr 23, 2024 10:34
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Cornwind Evil posted:It's like Machiavelli said: if you seek to be feared, do not become HATED, because people who have legitimate hate will be willing to suffer and take risks to oppose you. What I like about Machiavelli is that Il Principe can be read as a sarcastic warning to the Medici family telling them that their power is hosed because whatever they do it'll end in ruin and they can only keep power for so long. He was a proponent of Republics, being a senior official in the Republic of Firenze and was exiled by the Medici family, so it makes sense to read it in that way too That said - he's been dead for 500 years, and the book was released 5 years after his death, so it's not like he could debunk it - and we can't know for sure that everything in it was as he wrote it
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Apr 23, 2024 10:35
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Funky See Funky Do posted:
Yeah but also law is complex enough that it's not unreasonable for a lay person to think there might be an edge cage or some convoluted reason that might not apply in this case.
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Apr 23, 2024 10:46
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Same deal there. There is possibly a difference in police interrogation laws where cops in the uk can continue to pose questions with a lawyer present but the suspect can't be obliged to answer whereas in the US if a suspect asks for a lawyer all questioning is supposed to end. It doesn't always in practice, but it should. Knowing the details of how our court system functions is not useful information to the vast majority of Americans who, if they interact with it, will have an attorney of some sort representing them. Especially since it can vary from state to state, knowing that it functions is usually enough.
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Apr 23, 2024 10:49
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"Sir I see you just disembarked from a plane? Are you even familiar with the newton's third law? Can you even explain the concept of internal combustion???"
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Apr 23, 2024 10:57
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That's the dumbest take I ever heard. I don't even know what you're defending there.
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Apr 23, 2024 10:58
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Funky See Funky Do posted:That's the dumbest take I ever heard. I don't even know what you're defending there. I'm not defending anything, I'm making fun of your weirdly condescending take on someone asking an honest question about the trial. Hth.
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Apr 23, 2024 11:01
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free hubcaps posted:I'm not defending anything, I'm making fun of your weirdly condescending take on someone asking an honest question about the trial. Hth. And I gave them a full and honest answer to the question. Being a little shocked that an American (that posts here of all places) might not know about these very vital rights underpinning so many laws isn't condescension, it's the exact opposite. This is being condescending.
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Apr 23, 2024 11:06
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Same deal there. There is possibly a difference in police interrogation laws where cops in the uk can continue to pose questions with a lawyer present but the suspect can't be obliged to answer whereas in the US if a suspect asks for a lawyer all questioning is supposed to end. It doesn't always in practice, but it should. One hundred percent "No Comment" erryday all day. lighting up a spliff comes much afterwards. Guilty or Innocent; no laws jockey present; "No Comment". Then discuss with whatever flavour of legal character is thrown your way, and they will probably advise you to stick to "No Comment". I got kicked in the head (yeah, it explains a lot, but he was wearing soft little trainers, startled me more than anything.) on the tube, I was not wearing trainers, I was wearing newrocks, when I eventually got my poo poo regathered and told him to sit down and not move or I'll return the favour, thats "threats to kill" as opposed to you know, "kicking some rando in the head cos he looks different". when I eventually got called into the cop shop, he'd long fled back to Poland (smart boy), but the cops still wanted to charge someone with a crime. "No Comment" gave them nothing to work on, when the "Interview" was over I was at my leisure to call them a shower of useless "that word americans are afraid of". But don't listen to some filthy brit law-splain poo poo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE staberind fucked around with this message at 11:12 on Apr 23, 2024 |
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Apr 23, 2024 11:06
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Same deal there. There is possibly a difference in police interrogation laws where cops in the uk can continue to pose questions with a lawyer present but the suspect can't be obliged to answer whereas in the US if a suspect asks for a lawyer all questioning is supposed to end. It doesn't always in practice, but it should.
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Apr 23, 2024 11:07
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Funky See Funky Do posted:This is being condescending. Glad we agree!
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Apr 23, 2024 11:11
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Jesus I hope you guys aren't Americans. This is condescending. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, and after all this is a comedy forum if you meant it as a joke. But lol if you expect no one to make fun of you. You've been here for 11 years so you should know this as well as you know the American legal system
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Apr 23, 2024 11:11
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Funky See Funky Do posted:And I gave them a full and honest answer to the question. Being a little shocked that an American (that posts here of all places) might not know about these very vital rights underpinning so many laws isn't condescension, it's the exact opposite. This is being condescending. Lmao
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Apr 23, 2024 11:12
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Pablo Bluth posted:Under English law, a jury now has a limited ability to draw adverse inference from exercising the right to silence. Which can be challenged pretty handily. My point being; you say nothing; usually they have nothing, you say anything; they have evidence of.... something. If they have nothing to go on, it should not get to the point of a Jury.
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Apr 23, 2024 11:22
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Anders posted:This is condescending. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, and after all this is a comedy forum if you meant it as a joke. But lol if you expect no one to make fun of you. You've been here for 11 years so you should know this as well as you know the American legal system Ah, well I didn't and I'm sorry if I made you feel condescended to Pablo. And I don't know the US legal system for poo poo, which is what's so concerning. 
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Apr 23, 2024 11:29
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Pablo Bluth posted:I'm British, where our right to silence works differently. maybe consider exercising it?
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Apr 23, 2024 11:43
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NoiseAnnoys posted:maybe consider exercising it? Username/Post synergy: Off the charts. Lets just agree that until our favourite piss stain does anything, we are just going to try to lay "sick burns" on each other as we always do. 
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Apr 23, 2024 11:47
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Holy. poo poo.  "If you're a fan of 'The Wire," this is the scene where Stringer Bell turns to the young man and says 'Are you taking notes on a criminal conspiracy?!'"   
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Apr 23, 2024 11:50
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"Dont talk to the police", or you know; write mycrimes.txt on a bank statement. the world's your oyster.
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Apr 23, 2024 11:55
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:lol at taking the 5th/refusing to testify in your own defence that would be just a massive flashing "I am guilty" for him Our criminal justice system here is pretty hosed up. You really do not want to testify in your own defense. Generally you stick with what your lawyer says because our legal system is full of mines for the average person. every step of the way only talk to your lawyer especially with the cops. It does not matter if you are innocent. Only talk through your lawyer. There were actually just cases down here in FL of a guy planting drugs on cars he had stopped. I guess I can just sum this up by saying our judicial system from top to bottom is stacked against you so any way to protect yourself is important. ManBoyChef fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Apr 23, 2024 |
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Apr 23, 2024 12:03
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ManBoyChef posted:Our criminal justice system here is pretty hosed up. You really do not want to testify in your own defense. Generally you stick with what your lawyer says because our legal system is full of mines for the average person. It's the same principle as not going on like fox news without media training. You might be smarter and more capable than Jesse Watters but he has spent his whole career knowing how to sell a message on TV and he knows the rules and the ins and outs of his broadcast. Going in without training makes you end up like all the people who come across as hapless fools. Like that r/antiwork guy
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Apr 23, 2024 12:08
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PhazonLink posted:i think thats a promo shot of the TV show White Collar. *reads the synopsis* Geez, another of these shows? Isn't this just The Blacklist again? Though, speaking of shows with a cool charismatic criminal who wears a hat lol
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Apr 23, 2024 12:27
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Accipiter posted:Holy. Yes so The Crime Elemental has been caught doing crimes, but when are they going to start getting serious and asking the real questions - such as how does this reflect poorly on Biden?
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Apr 23, 2024 12:32
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staberind posted:One hundred percent "No Comment" erryday all day. lighting up a spliff comes much afterwards.
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Apr 23, 2024 12:35
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It will never stop being funny that the conservatives that depict Donald Trump as an overtly-masculine, intelligent Atlas-like man are also the same people saying he’s a smelly old feeble bitch that can’t sit in a chair for 6 hours without coming close to death. Keep this poo poo up, Fox News, I needed a mood booster.
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Apr 23, 2024 12:36
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funeral home DJ posted:It will never stop being funny that the conservatives that depict Donald Trump as an overtly-masculine, intelligent Atlas-like man are also the same people saying he’s a smelly old feeble bitch that can’t sit in a chair for 6 hours without coming close to death. Someone needs to put in the legwork to make  into a meme the general public knows about
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Apr 23, 2024 12:38
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lol Donald "TRUMP" has to sit in court and not talk or use a phone and he's angrier and more miserable than he's ever been in his life
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Apr 23, 2024 12:40
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Deptfordx posted:Re: The "don't fight uphill me boys" thing. No one in history that I know as a Civil War historian has ever loving said it, hell Lee ordered his troops to attack high ground, even at the "Uh that's a bad idea" from his officers. He just made it up like the River of Blood He was also in Schnecksville PA, which is nowhere loving near Gettysburg, closer to New York. He just doesn't know anything else about PA except Gettysburg, and at some level is personally offended that his idol Robert E Lee is no longer "In Favor" This is something I don't understand honestly, maybe old goons can shed light on it for me: What the gently caress is with old white men in particular and their obsession with Robert E Lee the Saint? Like was his famous hack/ fraud biography required reading in school at the time? He's a big a traitor as Benedict Arnold at least, for even shittier reasons. Also he's the most "brilliant tactical commander" I know that also somehow destroys his whole army a lot. Even my dad who was a Civil War buff and was pretty chill about like every other facet of it, got raging mad sensitive about Lee, I never really understood it. TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Apr 23, 2024 |
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Apr 23, 2024 12:40
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Lammasu posted:Do you remember that Mooninite bomb scare back in 2008? To promote the Aqua Teen movie Adult Swim hired some street artists to put up some LED placards and people thought they were bombs. Anyway, at the courtroom press conference their lawyer told them to not say anything about the case, so they talked about 70's haircuts. Good times when the entire city of Boston locked down over an LED Aqua Teen.
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Apr 23, 2024 12:41
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redshirt posted:Good times when the entire city of Boston locked down over an LED Aqua Teen. But it was flipping the bird!
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Apr 23, 2024 12:41
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TulliusCicero posted:No one in history that I know as a Civil War historian has ever loving said it, hell Lee ordered his troops to attack high ground, even at the "Uh that's a bad idea" from his officers. Also love how all these fuckers pass over Lee openly kidnapping blacks from the North during their bouts and sending them into slavery. Hmmmm, wonder why they don't talk about that
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Apr 23, 2024 12:42
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TulliusCicero posted:He just made it up like the River of Blood Pictured: Donny Dumps, minutes away from saying the absolute dumbest most deranged loving medical advice imaginable 
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Apr 23, 2024 12:44
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Lol at imagining Trump watching a 4 hour movie
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