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adjudicator buffs hell yeah sniped by the br-14 gang
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Infidelicious posted:
Dang, that's half the reason to equip it. Same versus bugs?
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Lobok posted:Dang, that's half the reason to equip it. Same versus bugs? Haven't tried it vs. bugs but it's probably a bit better since they tend to bunch up more - it still kills stuff like 2m away from the target. But you can't kill like half a POI by shooting the ground or the guy in the middle anymore.
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Apr 29, 2024 14:30
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I guess that's what the airburst rocket is for now
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My first car was a stick
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Durzel posted:I guess I see it more in MMO logic terms. You wouldn’t expect to be able to do raids and stuff like that solo, but you can still do stuff solo that is part of the same game. Likewise I don’t think it should be possible to stealth objectives when “proper” “as intended” play involves fighting the bugs/bots head on. I would say the big difference with MMOs is that there is a competitive element to those (usually). Gear is gated behind raid encounters, and being able to solo them or do them with fewer players than intended can break the gear treadmill. Helldivers doesn't have anything like that, unlocks are either cosmetic or rated on a flat power curve so you can't access greater player power by soloing stuff. Even so, soloing confers no benefit like it does in an MMO, rewards are duplicated to all players so you don't get extra rewards by cutting the number of players in Helldivers. Also as far as I'm aware, bringing less players is basically always harder and makes grinding rewards less efficient, even the best players who can solo 9s reliably will take longer to do so than it would take them in a group. Finally, I don't agree that stealth isn't an intended playstyle; the game includes stealth mechanics and there is even armour that reduces enemy detection range, I think it's pretty clearly an intended playstyle. And even if it wasn't intended, it's there. It works, it's fun and some people like it, why remove it? If you don't like using stealth you don't have to do it! Again there's no competitive element or meaningful player power curve in this game, more available playstyles makes for a broader and more fun gameplay experience in my opinion! But yeah I agree it's not the biggest deal, they haven't removed it completely or anything and I haven't played yet to see how much solo play is actually affected, maybe it's nothing major. And I can always turn down the difficulty anyway, I've unlocked everything and capped on resources so I'm not hurting for super samples or anything, I just don't really get the mindset behind their update priorities is all.
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:adjudicator buffs hell yeah lmk how it feels, I really want to like it
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Ouroboros posted:I would say the big difference with MMOs is that there is a competitive element to those (usually). Gear is gated behind raid encounters, and being able to solo them or do them with fewer players than intended can break the gear treadmill. Helldivers doesn't have anything like that, unlocks are either cosmetic or rated on a flat power curve so you can't access greater player power by soloing stuff. Even so, soloing confers no benefit like it does in an MMO, rewards are duplicated to all players so you don't get extra rewards by cutting the number of players in Helldivers. Also as far as I'm aware, bringing less players is basically always harder and makes grinding rewards less efficient, even the best players who can solo 9s reliably will take longer to do so than it would take them in a group. Fair points well made.  Can't argue about the fact there is stealth(y) armour in the game, so the playstyle is clearly something they consider as viable.
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turn off the TV posted:wrap it up quasailures look how they massacred my boy…
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Arc thrower RoF up 50% is a hell of a thing
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The biggest buff is the flag raising mission being added to higher difficulties 
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Apr 29, 2024 14:48
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turn off the TV posted:wrap it up quasailures
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Doctor Zero posted:Stun Mortar has become my go-to 4th load out item. They cooldown quickly, last a really long time and cover a huge area. a stun grenade doesn't even come close to it. I bring EMS mortar to just about every mission along side stun nades. Agree it’s great but you still need the nades for on demand stuns. The mortar has a stronger effect obviously but it’s a mortar so sometimes it likes to get distracted on one enemy or gets destroyed when a heavy just insta-targets it. I guess part of it is I don’t understand what use something like impacts really have - sure they kill a sone medium/heavy enemies but those are also enemies that you will commonly face way more than 4-6 of before you have a chance to respawn so I tend to gravitate towards better solutions for them anyways.
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also I am feeling immensely justified about my complaints wrt blitzer rate of fire
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Potato Salad posted:Arc thrower RoF up 50% is a hell of a thing Pretty sure that's the Arc shotgun, which had an insanely slow pump action and wasn't good for anything but its stagger. Its ludicrously low rate of fire was just tedious.
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turn off the TV posted:wrap it up quasailures It honestly seems like there are some weapons they don't want you to use, they have favorites for sure.
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I don’t love the auto canon and you’ll never get me to make it my main arrowhead
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Don’t know if I can justify taking Eruptor anymore with the mag size going from 12 to loving 6, god drat.
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Psykmoe posted:Pretty sure that's the Arc shotgun, which had an insanely slow pump action and wasn't good for anything but its stagger. Its ludicrously low rate of fire was just tedious. Also forget loving everything else, senator got a damage boost for more consistent oneshots like I wanted and also got speedloaders on empty reloads. I don't think it even needed the latter if it's getting the damage boost but I'll take it 
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What on earth is with the penalty for playing with a smaller group? It was already harder with fewer people, and while I like playing with full groups, sometimes my wife and/or a buddy and I just want to drop in for a few quick missions. Why change that? What was broken that needed a fix? Oh no, a few really good players were dropping in solo on 8's and 9's and rushing super samples? Who cares? The die-hards are already capped out anyway, or will be soon. I honestly don't think the devs know what they're doing with balance. Too many of these changes feel like "play the way we want you to play", rather than addressing things that were actually broken or too overpowered. The Quasar was balanced with its already-long recharge and firing time. The Eruptor was balanced because it's awful against close-up enemies and difficult to aim and fire quickly. The laser guard dog was balanced because it still wouldn't save you against anything remotely armored, and had built-in danger to yourself and teammates. Really, none of those particularly needed a nerf. I kinda get the ammo reduction on the Eruptor, but going from 12 to 6 seems extreme, and the splash damage nerf sucks.
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I don’t understand the quasar nerf QQing like just shoot your primary for 5 seconds or throw a grenade, it’s no big deal
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DLC Inc posted:Don’t know if I can justify taking Eruptor anymore with the mag size going from 12 to loving 6, god drat.
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hey mom its 420 posted:I don’t understand the quasar nerf QQing like just shoot your primary for 5 seconds or throw a grenade, it’s no big deal I need to shoot down the other dropship bc it’s cool
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DLC Inc posted:Don’t know if I can justify taking Eruptor anymore with the mag size going from 12 to loving 6, god drat. I don't think I've ever come anywhere near running out of mags for the Eruptor, that doesnt seem much of an issue at all
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DLC Inc posted:Don’t know if I can justify taking Eruptor anymore with the mag size going from 12 to loving 6, god drat. I feel like I've dropped below 6 mags...twice? And that was on a long clusterfuck of a mission where I never got to call in a mission and for whatever reason couldn't find much ammo in PoIs. I think it just means I'll be more mindful of grabbing a resupply or ammo pack every so often.
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If they wanted to kill the quasar, they'd increase the charge time. Increasing the cool down is mild as hell as far as nerfs go.
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WhiteHowler posted:I honestly don't think the devs know what they're doing with balance. Too many of these changes feel like "play the way we want you to play", rather than addressing things that were actually broken or too overpowered. The Quasar and the Laser Rover both were incredibly prevalent picks. Same with the Sickle. I think most of the changes in this patch make sense; they're trying to ramp down the things which dominate the meta so that there's an actual variety of equipment rather than a quarter of the playerbase going Sickle/Quaser/Rover and whatever two strikes they prefer for every single mission.
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I think people are misunderstanding the "penalty with playing with a smaller group". There is no penalty, in fact with a smaller group spawn rates are reduced to compensate. The point here is that this reduction has been reduced a bit, so it will be harder at the highest difficulties for solo players now. And that's like, fine? If you are playing at the highest difficulty solo, presumably you want a challenge. If some people are good enough to reliably solo hell dive difficulty now then maybe something should be done to stop them from getting bored. If 9 is too hard now just drop down to 8? It's just a matter of bragging rights anyway. In terms of mag size changes, the amount of mags you get back from resupply is more important than the max amount anyway, unless you are really bad at staying alive. Fangz fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Apr 29, 2024 |
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also I am feeling smug as hell about the fix to some explosions like the eruptor's pulling hit players forwards, because some guy on the hd2 discord earlier was insisting that the explosion knockback working like that was "intentional" and "the main schtick of the weapon" because you could see it happen for a split second in the warbond trailer
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Yeah, for bug missions at least rover + quasar + two whatever strategems was by far the best thing most of the time. now it's not such a slam dunk. I was running arc thrower on most bug missons and I expect to see more people use it now. For bots AC is still king, hope they don't nerf it tho
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Turns out punisher plasma murders you and explodes inside your loving shield now lmao.
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BastardySkull posted:Turns out punisher plasma murders you and explodes inside your loving shield now lmao. A demonstration https://i.imgur.com/W89IoRk.mp4
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The_White_Crane posted:The Quasar and the Laser Rover both were incredibly prevalent picks. Same with the Sickle.
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Diephoon posted:A demonstration I hope the same thing happens with the airburst rocket 
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Looks like the EAT is back to being king of the AT mountain.
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Crows Turn Off posted:Then make the other weapons better. Also this. I’d have run the regular rover a lot more if its ammo constraints weren’t so bad. In testing it I noticed it does a lot less teamkill/chip damage to allies, but it feels like a single engagement runs the whole pack out of ammo. Even with the nerfs I’ll still probably run the laser dog, it’s secondary utility as a laser pointer for poo poo sneaking up on me is invaluable and so long as it can still kill hunters and other chaff I’m fine with it.
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Diephoon posted:A demonstration 
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yea I mean, I was kind of bored of how obviously superior the Quasar was to other picks most of the time. same with the Eruptor sometimes, it is a really really powerful primary gun. I'm excited to try out my Adjudicator post patch, because I always liked the feel of it. I don't know. I kinda understood every change they made, but I'm sure they'll need more tweaks to get things more in line like any game of this size.\ Is the railgun good now? I haven't used it much but it sounds cool
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The_White_Crane posted:The Quasar and the Laser Rover both were incredibly prevalent picks. Same with the Sickle. I would not say that is the majority of loadouts I see, whether playing with my RL friends or with goons. Sickle is popular for sure, but I'm often the only one carrying an Eruptor and/or laser Guard Dog against bugs. I'll need to experiment more with the Eruptor change, but a 30% damage nerf to the Rover is going to make it far less useful for keeping the random Hunter or Warrior off your back. I'll probably just run the personal shield against bugs from now on. Crows Turn Off posted:Then make the other weapons better. Pretty much this. I understand that power creep is a thing, but both of the enemy factions have been buffed with new units over the past couple of months, and have generally gotten more dangerous. Nerfs should be reserved for stuff that is so flat-out better that little argument can be made for carrying anything else. If a new weapon comes in and eclipses everything else, make small tweaks and see how it balances out. If everyone's using the Quasar, which doesn't feel overpowered on its own, why not make the Recoilless Rifle better? Heck, just reduce the reload animation by like a second. EATs honestly don't need a buff, I feel like they were a sidegrade to the pre-buff Quasar. Eruptor has a bunch of drawbacks and a lot of people hate using it; there are a ton of other effective weapons against bugs, and it sucks against bots. The Sickle, to be honest, is so good that it probably needed a nerf, and the one they chose was a good compromise -- it doesn't decrease the usefulness, but it makes it so you can't just hose down enemies nonstop without considering ammo. A 30% damage nerf (Rover) or 60% charge increase (Quasar) is too extreme given those weapons' drawbacks.
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the gun dog can get kind of insane kills while its running. absolute massacre of weaker bugs. i can understand why they wanted to slow it down, but wish they hit its ROF instead of its ammo efficiency. IMO there's a lot of overreaction to the Quasar nerfs, such as they are. Quasar still king poo poo of AT shot output/minute. It doesn't change how the weapon feels to use at all, no additional charge time or damage output or anything. It's just how rapidly you can get additional shots off, but people who were concerned about that were running EAT/RR anyway. edit: do we really want to buff every other gun in a game because everyones using some OP gun? then you have to buff the enemies because the game is boring! its massively more work and way more likely to get weird and dumb. even with the occasional nerfs, the game is clearly power creeping already; they buffed the damage on the liberator which is supposed to be the baseline gun. TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Apr 29, 2024 |
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If they really wanted to nerf the quasar they’d have made it have a reload animation, just use your gun for a while nbd. Boo hoo you can’t shoot down dropships constantly now 
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