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if you think a single draft pick - a rookie, that the Packers don't seem to love playing anyway - would have made a difference, then any number of FA or coaching decisions would also have made a difference. with margins as thin as they are in the NFL it's not really productive to focus on a single issue like that. the Love pick set the team up for the future; Rodgers should have played better or LeFleur called a better game or Gutey signed some better FAs
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Gully Foyle posted:The Packers in the two years after they drafted Jordan Love lost in the NFC championship by less than one score (31-26) and lost in the divisional round by only 3 points (13-10). It's really not hard to imagine a 1st round pick making a difference and getting the Packers to the Superbowl. So your assertion that they were never going to the Superbowl when they had the back to back MVP as their QB is crazy. Of course it's not guaranteed, but that draft may easily have cost them a shot or two at a ring. There's an argument that drafting Love is what made Throw Rogan have those two MVP seasons.
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DickEmery posted:There's an argument that drafting Love is what made Throw Rogan have those two MVP seasons.
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Diva Cupcake posted:I mean you can certainly make the argument. So could a neglectful parent make the argument they were just motivating their child to be their best. lol OK
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Is there a transparent methodology for how the league calculates pick forfeits related to tampering?
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indigi posted:lol OK
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Is there a transparent methodology for how the league calculates pick forfeits related to tampering? Jeremy Maclin to the Chiefs was docked a 3rd and a 5th Tom Brady to the Dolphins was docked a 1st and 3rd But I think the only difference in the cases is #1 was more tenuous, the latter they had the Dolphins and Brady dead to rights on the owners' yacht Harlock fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Apr 29, 2024 |
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I'm guessing the Falcons lose at least a 2nd.
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Gully Foyle posted:The Packers in the two years after they drafted Jordan Love lost in the NFC championship by less than one score (31-26) and lost in the divisional round by only 3 points (13-10). It's really not hard to imagine a 1st round pick making a difference and getting the Packers to the Superbowl. So your assertion that they were never going to the Superbowl when they had the back to back MVP as their QB is crazy. Of course it's not guaranteed, but that draft may easily have cost them a shot or two at a ring.
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He had 85 touchdowns to 9 interceptions and he was throwing to Davante, Allen Lazard, MVS, and Robert Tonyan. There's 1 good receiver in that group. Couldn't have done it without Jordan Love.
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Harlock posted:Jeremy Maclin to the Chiefs was docked a 3rd and a 5th The dolphins president and Ross’s bitch basically got caught talking to Brady for like 3 months. They had so much evidence it’s kinda funny but yeah between that and there being evidence they talked to Sean Peyton without NOLA during his “retirement” boom you’ve got issues
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Agreed, they absolutely would have had a better chance of winning either of those games if they had Tee Higgins opposite Devante instead of Jordan Love on the bench. Rodgers was throwing to Devante and pretty much no one else of note and that limits playcalling and the offense as a whole. Yeah lol the Love situation is so fascinating precisely because of the history you’re discussing! The packers were so good, yet with such a clearly identifiable need, with good players available when they took Love, that it’s pretty convincing that the Packers make the SB if the used that pick on a more relevant need. But now that those seasons are in the past, it’s like dang, another franchise WB (tbd).
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Diva Cupcake posted:The presence of Jordan Love in the QB room being the primary cause of a top 5 QB all-time playing like a top 5 QB all-time is an equally ridiculous argument. yeah god knows top athletes never find motivation in perceived slights. I forgot that wasn't an extant phenomenon
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The Chiefs should really be punished heavily for tampering with such a high flying talent who caught the winning TD in the Super Bowl.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:The Chiefs should really be punished heavily
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Phil Simms and Boomer Esiason are out at CBS, Matt Ryan is in.
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Kalli posted:Phil Simms and Boomer Esiason are out at CBS, Matt Ryan is in. I rarely watch CBS NFL coverage but this will probably be an upgrade.
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Nothing of value was lost or gained The New White Bread
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Diva Cupcake posted:The presence of Jordan Love in the QB room being the primary cause of a top 5 QB all-time playing like a top 5 QB all-time is an equally ridiculous argument. If I'm reading your AV correctly, are you a Jets fan? If so, let me tell you a thing or two about your quarterback.....
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This whole thing is silly because they drafted Love for one reason, it looked like Rodgers was on his way out at the time so drafting a replacement made sense. It didn’t work out because Rodgers rebounded but this isn’t like Cousins who just got into town
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Hot Diggity! posted:Had Bakh's knee not exploded I'm fairly convinced that GB beats TB. Bakhtiari dying had far, far more of an impact on the Packers's championship chances than the difference between Love and, I don't know, Tee Higgins. Remember Rodgers didn't enjoy throwing to rookies anyway. Watson was in the doghouse for half a season before he finally threw to him again. And *because* the Packers drafted and developed Love they aren't going through years of purgatory before finally scoring a good QB again like some other teams do. Diva Cupcake posted:The presence of Jordan Love in the QB room being the primary cause of a top 5 QB all-time playing like a top 5 QB all-time is an equally ridiculous argument. https://twitter.com/mattschneidman/status/1254432701991567363
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Hell yeah, Christian Barmore signed an extension, 4 years / $92m https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6bFCOBN7zs Puts him below the following guys in AAV: $32m Chris Jones $28m Christian Wilkins $25m Justin Madubuike $24m Quinnen Williams $24m Derrick Brown $24m Jeffery Simmons and even with: $23m DeForest Buckner, Daron Payne and Dexter Lawrence Kalli fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Apr 29, 2024 |
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Kalli posted:Phil Simms and Boomer Esiason are out at CBS, Matt Ryan is in. Once he settled down I bet Ryan will be pretty good at that role.
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Kalli posted:Hell yeah, Christian Barmore signed an extension, 4 years / $92m It's important to resign good players. Still, not sure I would take Barmore over anyone on this list. Maybe Derrick Brown.
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FizFashizzle posted:Once he settled down I bet Ryan will be pretty good at that roll.
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wandler20 posted:Salary dump? He's a good player with positional versatility along the line, that has just never really been able to convert his consistently high pressure rate to sacks, but it's still a little disappointing they essentially gave him away.
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What's Cousins' cap hit next year & the year afterwards? If it's manageable this could be a fair gamble considering both he & Penix are a little injury prone.
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Android Apocalypse posted:What's Cousins' cap hit next year & the year afterwards? If it's manageable this could be a fair gamble considering both he & Penix are a little injury prone. 
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The Falcons were dumb to not trade down and get Penix later, but ultimately if he plays well no one is going to care or remember. Cousins will be 37 when the season starts and coming off a serious mid-season injury, the quality and length of his future career is a giant question mark. I don't think what they did is really any more radical than the Chiefs drafting Mahomes while Alex Smith was at QB.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:The Falcons were dumb to not trade down and get Penix later, but ultimately if he plays well no one is going to care or remember. Cousins is 36 and coming off a serious mid-season injury, the quality and length of his future career is a giant question mark. I don't think what they did is really any more radical than the Chiefs drafting Mahomes while Alex Smith was at QB. How many significant injuries did Mahomes have coming out of college
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:The Falcons were dumb to not trade down and get Penix later, but ultimately if he plays well no one is going to care or remember. Cousins will be 37 when the season starts and coming off a serious mid-season injury, the quality and length of his future career is a giant question mark. I don't think what they did is really any more radical than the Chiefs drafting Mahomes while Alex Smith was at QB. They wouldn't be able to do that. The Raiders wanted Penix.
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Forrest on Fire posted:How many significant injuries did Mahomes have coming out of college Mahomes has some overpowered Wolverine poo poo where injuries simply do not matter. His kneecap got rotated around 90 degrees and he missed like a week. He basically lost a leg vs the Bengals and was unfazed.
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3 DONG HORSE posted:They wouldn't be able to do that. The Raiders wanted Penix. The Falcons could have traded with the Jets at #10. The Bears were always going to take Odunze.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:The Falcons could have traded with the Jets at #10. The Bears were not going to take Penix. Maybe they galaxy brained themselves into thinking that if they traded with Jets, the Bears would then trade with the Raiders?
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Docjowles posted:Mahomes has some overpowered Wolverine poo poo where injuries simply do not matter. His kneecap got rotated around 90 degrees and he missed like a week. He basically lost a leg vs the Bengals and was unfazed. Triple jointed freak. Walks like a weirdo, has a dad bod, impervious to injury. https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7329585691384450347
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kiimo posted:Triple jointed freak. Walks like a weirdo, has a dad bod, impervious to injury. I once watched Tyreek's leg bend the wrong way, saw him limping and had to be carried to the sideline. He caught a TD pass 3 plays later. What I'm saying is KC is cheating and hoarding the Good Drugs
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