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Sancho Banana posted:Not from the US, but: oh no, not HELMET CLAD those drat kids and caring for their heads!
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Apr 29, 2024 19:56
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Mandel Brotset posted:good on ya, report back (without doxxing yourself) on how it goes thrown out of the protest for insisting that they chant divest from instead of death to
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Apr 29, 2024 19:57
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Empty physical threats do not make sense if the demand is divestment and the protests are peaceful. They also don't actually accomplish anything besides giving the police the excuse to crack down and losing public support. This isn't the same as the BLM riots, it's a foreign policy dispute. You don't go about it the same way.
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Apr 29, 2024 19:57
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Empty physical threats do not make sense if the demand is divestment and the protests are peaceful. They also don't actually accomplish anything besides giving the police the excuse to crack down and losing public support. This isn't the same as the BLM riots, it's a foreign policy dispute. You don't go about it the same way. You know that also doesn't accomplish anything? Posting about how you're tugging on your collar.
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Apr 29, 2024 19:59
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The difference is that one student writing Columbia Will Burn on a Twitter post doesn't matter as much when there is an actual organizational scaffolding putting out statements, standing to a pillar of 5 demands and holding fast at a bargaining table with the opposition. In the past little quips or adventurist actions were a lot more self damaging bc the moment was way less organized and prone to fracture and division. Seems to not be happening here. Yet. So don't sweat it!
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Apr 29, 2024 20:01
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Sancho Banana posted:Not from the US, but: are these students also calling for their universities to divest / is that a thing that also happens with universities-as-hedge-funds in japan? or are these more directed at the government?
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Apr 29, 2024 20:04
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Butter Activities posted:You know that also doesn't accomplish anything? Posting about how you're tugging on your collar. arent you a troop
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Apr 29, 2024 20:04
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Imagine if the universities had actually done nothing about the protests at all, they might have just fizzled out when summer hit. Instead they decided to bring in the police and make it a whole thing
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Apr 29, 2024 20:05
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Empty physical threats do not make sense if the demand is divestment and the protests are peaceful. They also don't actually accomplish anything besides giving the police the excuse to crack down and losing public support. This isn't the same as the BLM riots, it's a foreign policy dispute. You don't go about it the same way. shut the gently caress up
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Apr 29, 2024 20:06
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OctaMurk posted:Imagine if the universities had actually done nothing about the protests at all, they might have just fizzled out when summer hit. Instead they decided to bring in the police and make it a whole thing they've been winning for so long that they've forgotten they are winning
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Apr 29, 2024 20:11
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UGA encampment lasted all of an hour before they were all arrested. https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1784932250934546647
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Apr 29, 2024 20:13
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OctaMurk posted:Imagine if the universities had actually done nothing about the protests at all, they might have just fizzled out when summer hit. Instead they decided to bring in the police and make it a whole thing This. I used to work in Siemens (now Intifada) Hall a few years back, and there was a sit in over the killing of a student of color that was mishandled by basically everyone in the local criminal justice system (because they were racists). There were maybe five or six times the number of students at that time then there was last Monday before the cops showed up. I was literally locked in my office. Provost goes out, chats with the organizers, they talk for a few hours, both sides making concessions, and then the students left. No cops, very little vandalism, ended the same day it started. Monday's sit-in had a fraction of that, just a few dozen students, a handful of tents, and an empty water jug. Instead of talking they immediately sent in the riot squad. Crowd started growing immediately after they arrived, and skyrocketed once they attempted to take the building back. I don't think it would've even taken until summer. With no police action to bolster their numbers they probably would've fizzled out within the day.
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Apr 29, 2024 20:13
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Arc Hammer posted:https://twitter.com/AHousefather/status/1784372668600287318?t=UpdTyPPZkWY4Rb27Q5eMvQ&s=19 Tony Horsefucker
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Apr 29, 2024 20:13
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Noise Complaint posted:i aint reading all that, free palestine Thread title right here
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Apr 29, 2024 20:16
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Sherbert Hoover posted:if i wanted to delegitimize the movement and put protesters at more risk than the substantial risk they are already at, i would definitely write "columbia will burn" Nah
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Apr 29, 2024 20:16
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Sherbert Hoover posted:look i'm just saying that unless you have some power you shouldn't be making threats to people who do, and you shouldn't be making your protest look violent when it's budding and gaining public support. the threat to these universities isn't arson, it's student and faculty/staff strikes. Wait until you find out what Vietnam War student protesters did to campuses
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Apr 29, 2024 20:17
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Looks like we're at Number 4
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Apr 29, 2024 20:20
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RU in the house!!! https://www.instagram.com/p/C6Wr2qouj_D/?igsh=NzZsaGVveng2anU3
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Apr 29, 2024 20:21
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liberal handwringing about extremism killed blm because essentially blm as a movement was unable to produce specific coherent demands. with these protests the demand is simple: this institution can and will divest from supporting israel. thats all it is
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Apr 29, 2024 20:24
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Columbia faculty showed up to physically get between the cops and the students https://twitter.com/probablyreadit/status/1785010511014445226
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Apr 29, 2024 20:25
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Empty physical threats do not make sense if the demand is divestment and the protests are peaceful. They also don't actually accomplish anything besides giving the police the excuse to crack down and losing public support. This isn't the same as the BLM riots, it's a foreign policy dispute. You don't go about it the same way. It is ultra-leftist bullshit (and more importantly CRINGE) , but also the people at these protests (and a lot of the posters quoting you) are kids as well. It’s a college, not a retirement home.
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Apr 29, 2024 20:33
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PawParole posted:It is ultra-leftist bullshit (and more importantly CRINGE) , but also the people at these protests (and a lot of the posters quoting you) are kids as well. It’s a college, not a retirement home. plus somebody already took "I ain't reading all that FREE PALESTINE"
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Apr 29, 2024 20:34
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"Giving the police the excuse" ffs
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Apr 29, 2024 20:35
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somebody hands you a stack of paper and gives you five seconds to write something on it with red sharpie. do you go for funny, important, provocative? it's a tough call, especially at 20 years old. i probably would have tried to write the note that Will Ferrell's character leaves Luke Wilson in Old School at that age
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Apr 29, 2024 20:37
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Saw a video at the Cal protests and on the counterprotester side they got an Asian guy yelling at black people?
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Apr 29, 2024 20:38
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BLM and Occupy both had coherent demands, it just had the press screaming, "WHAT ARE THEIR DEMANDS, WHAT ARE THEIR DEMANDS?!" for months at a time until it become the dominating narrative that there wasn't one. The trick is not to let simple token efforts like renaming a street or having a corporation put out a flimsy statement of support with no action become a substitute for the bottom line. That, and anyone who tries to argue the demands are extremists, to tell them to gently caress off and cite BLM and Occupy being tempered statements and still getting blasted as extremists as example.
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Apr 29, 2024 20:38
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Gunshow Poophole posted:Columbia faculty showed up to physically get between the cops and the students This is gonna make for some painful videos of old white people getting thrown to the ground. God speed old white guys. May you land on soft grass.
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Apr 29, 2024 20:39
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every single time one of these happens its the same boring non-arguments from do-nothings oh no you better not write that on a board oh no you better not give them excuses
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Apr 29, 2024 20:45
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HallelujahLee posted:every single time one of these happens its the same boring non-arguments from do-nothings oh no you better not write that on a board oh no you better not give them excuses Don't give the police excuses, give them [redacted]
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Apr 29, 2024 20:46
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“Extremist” doesn’t mean anything other than “position that makes the defenders of the status quo uncomfortable” anyway. gently caress that dumb bullshit.
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Apr 29, 2024 20:47
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HallelujahLee posted:every single time one of these happens its the same boring non-arguments from do-nothings oh no you better not write that on a board oh no you better not give them excuses imagining all of the totally reasonable "lines" that cops have before they will choose to beat the poo poo out of protestors
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Apr 29, 2024 20:47
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i think colleges should be run like a business but like the kind of business that calls the cops on it's employees and customers
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Apr 29, 2024 20:48
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the line has been crossed "farts"
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Apr 29, 2024 20:49
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we weren't gonna sadistically trash your tents, rip up your posters, and throw you in jail when we came here dressed in riot gear, it is your red sharpie that has force our hands.
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Apr 29, 2024 20:50
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university of texas popping off again, riot cops making arrests
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Apr 29, 2024 20:51
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considering the police have killed people for selling cigarettes, I think the notion of there being a "line" or worrying about "provoking" a response to be laughable
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Apr 29, 2024 20:52
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PhilippAchtel posted:Wait until you find out what Vietnam War student protesters did to campuses do NOT throw grenades into your COs tent
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Apr 29, 2024 20:52
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anyways uncritical support to the kids
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Apr 29, 2024 20:56
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Probably Magic posted:BLM and Occupy both had coherent demands, it just had the press screaming, "WHAT ARE THEIR DEMANDS, WHAT ARE THEIR DEMANDS?!" for months at a time until it become the dominating narrative that there wasn't one. The trick is not to let simple token efforts like renaming a street or having a corporation put out a flimsy statement of support with no action become a substitute for the bottom line. That, and anyone who tries to argue the demands are extremists, to tell them to gently caress off and cite BLM and Occupy being tempered statements and still getting blasted as extremists as example. they had much more vague demands then "end divestment in Israel" and "stop supporting the genocide." OWS was all over the place by the end because "its bullshit the 1% have more than everyone else" is a correct statement but extremely open to having wildly different solutions, so any individual protestor might have very different answers to the same questions. the decentralized decision making also slowly allowed the movement to get co opted or lost in the weeds. BLM had the issue of not having a single, focused point of demand on police reform. "defund the police" works to a point but too easily is conflated with total anarchy instead of "burn this system down and replace it with something better" so they started searching for betting unifying goals but the movement was co opted and ran out of steam before that happened. there was also significant problems wherein protestors from the immediate communities often had different goals that the wider group of supporters. this time its a clear and concise set of demands, and the only tactic the Zionists have is lying or claiming "river to the sea" is a call for genocide. otherwise its just straight up authoritarian clamp downs on protests.
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Apr 29, 2024 20:57
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Probably Magic posted:BLM and Occupy both had coherent demands, it just had the press screaming, "WHAT ARE THEIR DEMANDS, WHAT ARE THEIR DEMANDS?!" for months at a time until it become the dominating narrative that there wasn't one. The trick is not to let simple token efforts like renaming a street or having a corporation put out a flimsy statement of support with no action become a substitute for the bottom line. That, and anyone who tries to argue the demands are extremists, to tell them to gently caress off and cite BLM and Occupy being tempered statements and still getting blasted as extremists as example. less that they had no coherent demands to begin with, its more that they didn't have the discipline to keep out the type of person who thought posting black squares on instagram or smoking weed at a protest was activism
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