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ilmucche posted:I always thought space marine chapters were really small, like 1000 actual space marine dudes in the armor Benagain posted:1000ish dudes yes. Sometimes with large asterisks involving the inquisition never getting an accurate count. There were 20 original legions, the ten loyalist ones were broken into the smaller chapters so they wouldn't be as much of a threat if they went rogue. The commonly floated number is that there's roughly a thousand chapters at any one time. Because again, 40k is bad at math. But they built it with plenty of room to make your own.
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The space wolves and black templars are always called out as being way larger than they probably should be, the space wolves because they have a pretty open policy of killing inquisitors who mess with them and are powerful and fight chaos enough to get away with that, and the templars because they're entirely fleet based and always on crusade so they're almost never all in one place and they can just lie. Also let's get real all space marine chapters have at some point killed inquisitors the space wolves are just the ones who don't really care if anyone knows
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Apr 29, 2024 23:39
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An in depth look at the Black Templars and how they get away with being so big https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYgItphyeXQ
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Apr 29, 2024 23:46
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Most chapters have Gene seed farms. They have like, clones, specifically designed to grow the organs needed to make the space marines. Yknow the acid spit and extra hearts and testicles and such. These are impossible to really recreate using science becauae they lost it but you can basically regrow some using The gene seed of a dead space marine which is what chaplains are for. Its like apples and how you cant just grow from a seed, you gotta use grafting to get the same apple. When a chapter is doing good enough the can basically split off to make a successor chapter which will have all the quirks of the original chapter. They just take a couple of tanks of Geneseed and a couple lieutenants to be the leaders and Bam new chapter This allows you to, in game, to kinda make your own chapter with the rules of the original chapters. You just say 'counts as ultra marines/bloodangels/imperialfists/etc.' Hihohe fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Apr 29, 2024 |
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Apr 29, 2024 23:53
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I don't know if anyone here remembers some of the fan stuff /tg/ made, but my favorite will always be the Reasonable Marines. Just a bunch of marines using common sense and logic.
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Apr 29, 2024 23:57
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Benagain posted:The space wolves and black templars are always called out as being way larger than they probably should be, the space wolves because they have a pretty open policy of killing inquisitors who mess with them and are powerful and fight chaos enough to get away with that, and the templars because they're entirely fleet based and always on crusade so they're almost never all in one place and they can just lie.
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Apr 30, 2024 00:00
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Ultras have like 8 billion successor chapters which they pretend are legally distinct.
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Apr 30, 2024 00:06
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CapnAndy posted:Aren't the Ultramarines too big too, from a combination of Guilliman carving out exemptions for them and the whole "we're the governing body for hundreds of planets, who's gonna loving call us out" thing? I think they follow the rules to the letter, since their Primarch literally wrote them, but they have by far the most successor chapters and when the Ultramarines say jump they ask how high.
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CapnAndy posted:Aren't the Ultramarines too big too, from a combination of Guilliman carving out exemptions for them and the whole "we're the governing body for hundreds of planets, who's gonna loving call us out" thing? No, the Ultramarines stick to the 1k limit. Of course they have dozens of Successor Chapters who fight exactly the same as they do and are loyal to the Ultramarines Chapter Master. So if at any point they want to fight as a Legion, they can.
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Apr 30, 2024 00:08
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Black Templars in particular looked hard at the rules, discovered that the Codex Astartes states that the hard cap of 1000 can be temporarily suspended if the chapter is on a crusade, and then declared that they are always on a crusade.
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Apr 30, 2024 00:10
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The Ultras marines are so codex compliant that you can and will be expelled for saving the world (well, not now that dad's back)
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Apr 30, 2024 00:16
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Dads home and he said we can stay up late and dont have to do our home work and and and he let me invite all my cousins over so theres like a million of us having a party.
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Gripweed posted:No, the Ultramarines stick to the 1k limit. dark angels and imperial fists also have a "if we're gonna be a legion we can be a legion" policy. and blood angels are shown to de facto have one, at least to defend baal
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Apr 30, 2024 01:28
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Having Guilliman wake back up and be completely aghast at the state of the Imperium was brilliant and is the best lore decision 40k's made
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Apr 30, 2024 01:30
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you need the xenos straight man, you need the loyalist straight man, but where's the chaos straight man?
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bob dobbs is dead posted:dark angels and imperial fists also have a "if we're gonna be a legion we can be a legion" policy. and blood angels are shown to de facto have one, at least to defend baal Oh yeah, Dark Angels and Imperial Fists straight up had secret “nah that shits dumb” clauses when they agreed to split up into Chapters. All Dark Angels Successors, pre-Indomitus at least, worked together in secret on the hunt for the Fallen. And the Imperial Fists had The Last Wall Protocol, where if Terra was threatened again they would reform as a Legion to defend the throneworld as they did during the Heresy. Which was invoked during the War of the Beast.
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Apr 30, 2024 01:38
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bob dobbs is dead posted:you need the xenos straight man, you need the loyalist straight man, but where's the chaos straight man? That Alpha Legion guy earlier seems close, oddly enough.
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Apr 30, 2024 01:48
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he doesn't even have his own figurine
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Apr 30, 2024 01:51
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He should, he's got his dad's blade. What is the proper form of address for something that belonged to both of your twin brother dads. But they weren't gay dads just 2 brothers.
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CapnAndy posted:Yeah, you're conflating. There were 20 legions pre-Heresy, which got broken up afterwards into a very carefully never specified amount of chapters which top out at 1000 marines each, specifically so that dudes going Chaos-happy would have the amount of troops they could drag into treachery with them limited. nah, there wasn't a hard limit to the number of chapters but it was stated to be about 1000 and is now much more than that due to the ultima founding
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it was vaguely specified at 1000ish before the primaris, and now it's very carefully specified as ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ overall, they've gotten a lot outta defusing the grognard factor by diagetic grumbling. put the primaris in, peeps are gonna complain - have some firstborn in the story complain. aos is new and peeps are gonna complain - stick gotrek gurnisson in there and have him complain about these fake dawi
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bob dobbs is dead posted:it was vaguely specified at 1000ish before the primaris, and now it's very carefully specified as ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The only reform that came with the Primaris that would change the total number of Marines in a chapter is that the 10th Company, the Scouts, are now uncapped in number (previously, they were limited to 100, same as every other company, in codex-compliant chapters). The other changes are just increased flexibility through company sub-units. As seen in the picture below, the full order of battle of the Ultramarines before the Primaris reforms included quite a bit more than 1,000. The Chapter Master and his retinue, the company command teams, and the specialists (Apothecaries, Techmarines/vehicle crews, Librarians, Chaplains, Dreadnaughts) all exist outside of the standard squad/company structure and are assigned as needed to units. Depending on a chapter's doctrine, it isn't difficult to imagine having upwards of 1,500 Marines and still being perfectly in line with the Codex.  Edit: I counted around 1,350 Marines in the above picture, assuming all of the vehicles have a full crew inside them. William Bear fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Apr 30, 2024 |
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bob dobbs is dead posted:you need the xenos straight man, you need the loyalist straight man, but where's the chaos straight man?
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does he even have a novel? he just features a lot in the rule splats
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bob dobbs is dead posted:you need the xenos straight man, you need the loyalist straight man, but where's the chaos straight man? I figured Abaddon would be the Chaos straight man since he worships Chaos Undivided and is the guy everyone rallies around. Sure, his Black Crusade win/loss ratio is total garbage, but it felt like GW didn't want to advance anything lore wise for a long time but still needed poo poo to happen. If you need a faction of humanish beings to lose, Chaos is usually your man.
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Apr 30, 2024 03:57
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straight man meaning, the guy to react all confused when peeps do shenanigans. george costanza says some poo poo, seinfeld gets exasperated, the exasperation makes things funny abaddon's never confused and disoriented-seeming
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Did I miss the part of the thread yet where we talk about how cool the ark mechanicus was from the adeptus mechanicus novel trilogy? Up there in sci-fi ridiculousness with a tardis’ (tardiness?) or borg ship. I watched half of the isyander and other dude show on the imperial navy, and while a good watch they were amazed at a 26 kilometer ship the primarchs rolled around in. The ark was over 1000km, hidden as a continental plate on a forge world. Now that’s a ship. Also that trilogy was a good and entertaining read.
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"i have all the stc's that your entire religion constitutes a quest for lying around, but you're too fuckin stupid to have them. now ima wipe your mind", is much funnier and more depressing
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bob dobbs is dead posted:straight man meaning, the guy to react all confused when peeps do shenanigans. george costanza says some poo poo, seinfeld gets exasperated, the exasperation makes things funny
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Apr 30, 2024 05:00
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we have surprisingly little 40k perturabo. he's definitely the straight man of the chaos primarchs in 30k, with more than a little petulant douchebag energy
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bob dobbs is dead posted:straight man meaning, the guy to react all confused when peeps do shenanigans. george costanza says some poo poo, seinfeld gets exasperated, the exasperation makes things funny ...maybe Fabius? But then again, he does do plenty of unhinged poo poo, even if he is still exasperated with a lot of the forces of Chaos and the IoM.
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so I watched the Black Templars movie posted awhile back, Black Templars ar descended from the balls of Guilliman right? How did they end up being glory hound attack guys on an eternal crusade, arent Imperial Fists the OG defense gangstas? In particular referencing the part where the Reclusiarch pisses all over the Salamanders for defending the commonfolk.
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theyre fists. descended from dorn. sigismunds book goes on at length about how sigismund goes nuts and takes the templars with him
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Apr 30, 2024 05:43
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ah poo poo I was gettin my big boys mixed up again
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The Black Templars really are rather different from the Imperial Fists to be fair, though they might share stubbornness.limp_cheese posted:I figured Abaddon would be the Chaos straight man since he worships Chaos Undivided and is the guy everyone rallies around. Pretty much, though I get the idea Abaddon's record isn't meant to be that bad in-universe considering he's openly taking on the entire Imperium at its most fortified point with forces that it takes immense effort just to stop fighting each other for five minutes, and iirc said to have achieved at least one major strategic goal with most of the Black Crusades. And knowing Chaos, he might well have had success ordained by getting to the unlucky number.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:straight man meaning, the guy to react all confused when peeps do shenanigans. george costanza says some poo poo, seinfeld gets exasperated, the exasperation makes things funny Abaddon is exactly that flavour of exasperated and done with this bullshit, it's been 13 crusades and ten thousand years of whatever your loving dipshit boss told you to do today because it was step 18 of 3200 of making sure an Imperial governer 13 systems over stubs his toe, which is both a precursor to pulling an entire planet into the warp and also will get you stabbed in the back by a subordinate in 4 years time as a bit.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Pretty much, though I get the idea Abaddon's record isn't meant to be that bad in-universe considering he's openly taking on the entire Imperium at its most fortified point with forces that it takes immense effort just to stop fighting each other for five minutes, and iirc said to have achieved at least one major strategic goal with most of the Black Crusades. And knowing Chaos, he might well have had success ordained by getting to the unlucky number.
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Ha ha inquisitor no these are Aquamarines, see how the light catches the ceramic. Yes, please write that down.
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Yeah Abaddon's whole deal is can we please stop dicking around and DO something
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Strategic Tea posted:Ha ha inquisitor no these are Aquamarines, see how the light catches the ceramic. Yes, please write that down. They should also stud their armour with gemstones. I actually got a bag of craft beads to use as gems for my minis. And cut up gift cards I'd bought them with to make scenery for them. And use bits of sprues to make all kinds of things Heck, the very first one I made (a space marine commander, which I still think looks rad) I got some rocks from outside for scenery. It is addictively fun to turn every miniature into their own little diorama. I should really take some photos sometime.
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