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ImpAtom posted:Piecemeal DLC for gameplay stuff is usually just a way to drive people to pay more up front or to 'punish' people for not paying more up front if they want anything else in the DLC later. It sucks a lot. (And I freely admit I've bought the dumb 'season pass' things so I've been suckered by it.) Okay, but what does a "fully featured expansion pack" look like for total warhammer? They already tried the mini campaign thing and it got poor reception, apparently players would rather have CA work on having more lords to play as on the huge map. And as someone else mentioned, you still get to play against the AI dlc characters even if you don't purchase it. So you would rather they hold off on release until they finished all dlc content and just package it all together? Wouldn't that be taking choice away from players who say they have no interest in playing x faction by making them pay for everything?
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Deakul posted:I really wish that they hadn't dropped the mini-campaign thing, it was a neat way of introducing the new races. Honestly, same. If there's one format I miss in Total Wars is the mini-campaigns from Napoleon, I really enjoyed having a Total War game I could wrap up in an afternoon or evening of play, but the series just keeps growing towards bigger and bigger maps.
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ImpAtom posted:I mean "they tried something less bad and were bad at it so they were forced to do the worst thing" isn't exactly a great argument. judging by the community reactions to DLC for Total Warhammer, the playerbase overwhelming wants a way to purchase individual lords over bundled dlc options. CA actually released the newest dlc, Thrones of Decay, in 3 individual packs that can optionally be purchased as a bundle that grants a 15%? discount overall. Personally, i think this is a good model and I hope they release all future dlc like this since I can pick and choose which part of the dlc i want and not pay for stuff i wont play as. It wasnt a huge deal for past lord DLC packs, because those usually had 2 lords. You were at worst, paying for one lord you didnt want, but some players did not like that model. CA also has race dlcs, that include an entire new faction to play as. These were typically priced higher and would come with 3-4 lords and were generally a substantial amount of content compared to the lord dlc packs. The race dlc were well-received overall while the lord packs were a bit more mixed In the first game, the race dlc packs also came with mini-campaigns. The campaigns were much-maligned by the community since the maps were significantly smaller and had a much tighter focus of factions to fight. I never played the mini-campaigns, but im glad that CA dropped that practice since I would rather they focus on expanding and supporting the main campaigns than make much more limited ones That all being said, theres very little chance that CA will go back through the old dlc and separate it out like the newest model. I also think its nuts that Warhammer 1 and 2 are still $60 each (even tho they do get significant discounts often) and I think that CA should at least bundle those two games and give a reasonable price for getting both for those that jumped in at game 3. I also think having bundles for all of game 1's dlc and all of game 2's dlc with each bundle getting a decent discount would be a nice gesture for people jumping in late
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ImpAtom posted:I mean "they tried something less bad and were bad at it so they were forced to do the worst thing" isn't exactly a great argument. good news, that’s what they do for total warhammer. the base game lords are fantastic. the dlc adds more to the world without you having to buy them. they often release free new lords that are also fun. you only need the dlc to play the new lords. also in the case of dragons dogma, it does give you a (mild) advantage, owning the dlc. you do not get an advantage in total warhammer - you get a totally different starting condition. the mini campaign thing also doesn’t work well for warhammer because people want all the armies on the big map fighting eachother. it works alright still in the historical games like three kingdoms, but still, i think people prefer adding more to the big map. CA have been doing good on the DLC front, as has modern Paradox. would it be better if it was all free? yeah. would it be better if all videogames were also free? yeah sure id like that. but i think it makes sense that developers receive money for developing new things and i’d rather they get more money this way than predatory micro transactions or ads
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Y'all keep saying that Warahmmer DLC are great value but didn't they just have to apologize for asking half the game's price for a DLC with little to no content?
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Jack Trades posted:Y'all keep saying that Warahmmer DLC are great value but didn't they just have to apologize for asking half the game's price for a DLC with little to no content? don’t think anyone’s saying they’re particularly great value, some of them are worse than the others, just that you don’t need to touch it if you don’t want that specific content, you get the content on the game map, you just can’t play it yourself unless you buy it. i think that one coincided with a price rise and a longer wait than usual due to CA being in a bad situation because of Sega’s bullshit making them do an FPS battle royale looter thing people are saying it’s not bad, it’s not predatory, and it looks bad because it’s nearly a decade’s worth of content that has added up
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Jack Trades posted:Y'all keep saying that Warahmmer DLC are great value but didn't they just have to apologize for asking half the game's price for a DLC with little to no content? That was six months ago, get with the times.
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Jack Trades posted:Y'all keep saying that Warahmmer DLC are great value but didn't they just have to apologize for asking half the game's price for a DLC with little to no content? yup, it sucked when they released Shadows of Change, but they actually listened to community feedback and added a ton more content to the dlc to make amends. Currently, its in a better spot, but still a tough pill to swallow at its current price, but not a bad deal on sale. Luckily, its easily ignored if you have no interest in playing as the races featured in the pack
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ScootsMcSkirt posted:judging by the community reactions to DLC for Total Warhammer, the playerbase overwhelming wants a way to purchase individual lords over bundled dlc options. CA actually released the newest dlc, Thrones of Decay, in 3 individual packs that can optionally be purchased as a bundle that grants a 15%? discount overall. I mean that is what I am talking about. That isn't a 15% discount. That means you're paying an extra 15% unless you buy everything at once, and if you decide after the fact you want one of the others you're paying more. (Unless I'm misunderstanding at it refunds the 15% for the one you already own when buying the bundle, but in my experience that's pretty drat rare.) Again, this isn't exclusive to CA. A lot of companies do it and it is lovely every time. I'm not saying anyone is wrong for playing the game, but I'm not seeing it as being customer-friendly HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:good news, that’s what they do for total warhammer. the base game lords are fantastic. the dlc adds more to the world without you having to buy them. they often release free new lords that are also fun. you only need the dlc to play the new lords. I find it very hard to believe every single new lord is equal to or inferior to the ones already in the game. If it is the unheard of Perfectly Balanced Game then cool, but it seems very likely at least some give you an advantage in strength of some kind . ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Apr 30, 2024 |
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ImpAtom posted:I find it very hard to believe every single new lord is equal to or inferior to the ones already in the game. If it is the unheard of Perfectly Balanced Game then cool, but it seems very likely at least some give you an advantage in strength of some kind . lmao come on man. I would encourage you to try a Total War game at some point, people aren't buying the Chaos Dwarfs or what-have-you because their campaign is easier to beat or something.
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ImpAtom posted:I find it very hard to believe every single new lord is equal to or inferior to the ones already in the game. If it is the unheard of Perfectly Balanced Game then cool, but it seems very likely at least some give you an advantage in strength of some kind . But that's the case in the base game without DLC? And it just means you can beat the game in a different way, a bit faster?
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fez_machine posted:But that's the case in the base game without DLC? And it just means you can beat the game in a different way, a bit faster? I was responding to this specific part: quote:also in the case of dragons dogma, it does give you a (mild) advantage, owning the dlc. you do not get an advantage in total warhammer - you get a totally different starting condition. If you can beat the game faster then that is an advantage, yes. Not much of one (I'd hope) but still one. And that's 100% fine, unless you're playing something competitive then an advantage matters not at all and no game is going to have perfect balance. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Apr 30, 2024 |
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a Warhammer videogame that's a ridiculous waste of money is just being true to the source material
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ImpAtom posted:I mean that is what I am talking about. That isn't a 15% discount. That means you're paying an extra 15% unless you buy everything at once, and if you decide after the fact you want one of the others you're paying more. (Unless I'm misunderstanding at it refunds the 15% for the one you already own when buying the bundle, but in my experience that's pretty drat rare.) if you buy one part of the dlc and then later decide to get the other parts, you will get the 15% discount. No matter how you buy them, you will be getting some kind of deal and not paying full price. you can also just buy one and wait for a sale to get the others, its pretty generous to the customer imo for the other part of your quote, the new lords are typically very powerful and have unique faction mechanics that are a lot of fun. I consider this a good thing because why would I buy dlc for a lovely lord that doesnt do anything different than the other lords? Its not withholding because each faction is perfectly playable with their vanilla rosters. Just an extra bit of fun flavor. This is (mostly) a singleplayer game, so why should the lord be balanced with the other lords? Each campaign is a different thing, its not a story mode thats set in stone, theyre dynamic and change drastically based on what the player does and who theyre playing as
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ImpAtom posted:If you can beat the game faster then that is an advantage, yes. Not much of one (I'd hope) but still one. And that's 100% fine, unless you're playing something competitive then an advantage matters not at all and no game is going to have perfect balance. They also frequently go back and overhaul the old lords to make them better, but this game is not some kind of balanced esports crap. There are always stupidly overpowered lords. It's just part of the game. It's like this. I loved Warhammer 2 and played it like crazy. CA released my favorite expansion so far "Rise of the Tomb Kings". Without buying anything, I now have this badass undead Egyptian army threat to deal with. This makes the game far more fun and interesting and because I like them so much I buy the expansion pack. Now it's my turn to steamroll worthless peasants in my chariot while yelling SETTRA DOES NOT SERVE. If you think badass Egyptian undead mummy people are stupid or boring you don't buy the DLC because you didn't want to play them anyway. You are at no disadvantage. Yes a lot of times new poo poo they add is overpowered (though the Tomb Kings were arguably a bit underpowered at first), but it doesn't really matter because the whole game is a giant map of kickass things fighting kickass things all over the place, and adding more kickass things rules. I love these games and I never bought the last expansion. Why? Well, the factions aren't all that interesting to me. Also this: Hwurmp posted:a Warhammer videogame that's a ridiculous waste of money is just being true to the source material And on a serious note for 'new' players, I would suggest waiting for sales and/or bundles or just getting the DLC for factions you really want to play since they frequently go on sale.
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ImpAtom posted:If you can beat the game faster then that is an advantage, yes. Not much of one (I'd hope) but still one. And that's 100% fine, unless you're playing something competitive then an advantage matters not at all and no game is going to have perfect balance. i would be inclined to agree with you if you could buy "karl franz but Better in the karl franz position" but no, it's a totally different starting setup with different neighbouring powers and occasionally different mechanics. total war games are not about beating the game faster or anything like that. have you actually played a total war game? because i feel like there's a fundamental disconnect in how you're perceiving the game's structure. you ain't making rome better by buying the marian reform expansion pack, you're buying the option to play as pontus. and when they add pontus, you now have pontus on the map to deal with. even if you dont want to play as pontus. there's no "well now julius caesar isn't viable so i have to buy the mark antony pack", you play your favs or you play something that looks interesting to you, purchasing sparta and then only playing sparta because they're the best (they're not) is on you HerpicleOmnicron5 fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Apr 30, 2024 |
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Subjunctive posted:I’m too stupid to play strategy games, but also too stupid to stop buying them. poo poo i thought that was just me
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:i would be inclined to agree with you if you could buy "karl franz but Better in the karl franz position" but no, it's a totally different starting setup with different neighbouring powers and occasionally different mechanics. total war games are not about beating the game faster or anything like that. I have, though admittedly not a super ton. I think the disconnect is that people absolutely do play strategy games to have the most optimal and quickest wins. It's a genuinely fun part of playing them. Not harm if that isn't for you, but a super-overpowered character would lend itself towards that. (I blame growing up playing a lot of online Civilization for that because optimizing was a must, and even modern Civ basically releases new civilizations that are meta-changing OP.)
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SkeletonHero posted:If everyone were more like me (too stupid for strategy games) then nobody would even be bothered about Warhammer DLC. I am like you. Only Warhammer property I care about is Vermintide, it has a bunch of DLC but I'm fine with it
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lordfrikk posted:I think it's telling that you consider this the good model lol, because as someone who avoids games with too many pieces of DLC, the above sentence is pure horror edit: you know what, nevermind, you do you gramps Squiggle fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Apr 30, 2024 |
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So.. I'd do a May games post, but there are SO MANY great games coming out in May that the post would be enormous, so I'll hyper condense it. The big thing for gAAAmers is Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut on the 16th, and Hellblade 2 on the 21st. For AA games, there's V Rising 1.0 on the 8th, and Homeworld 3 on the 13th. Okay, now the important stuff...   FPS: Mullet Madjack (5/15), Robobeat (5/16), Selaco (5/30) Metroidvanias: Animal Well (5/9), GenoPanic (5/17), Gestalt: Steam and Cinder (5/23), Nine Sols (5/29), Umbraclaw (5/30). Nine Sols is by the developer of Devotion/Detention. Umbraclaw is by Inti Creates. Action: Morbid 2: The Lands of Ire (5/17), Hauntii (5/23) Horror/Surv Horror: INDIKA (5/2), Crow Country (5/9), Lorelei and the Laser Eyes (5/16). Crow Country is by the developer of Tangle Tower, Lorelei by the developer of Sayonara Wild Hearts. Co-op: Abiotic Factor (5/2), Baladins (5/15) Narrative: 1000xRESIST (5/9), Read Only Memories: NEURODIVER (5/16), Until Then (5/23), Star Trek Resurgence (5/23). 1000xRESIST won an IGF award. RPG: V Rising 1.0 (5/8), Athenian Rhapsody (5/14), Dread Delusion 1.0 (5/14) Puzzle: Paper Trail (5/21), Duck Detective (5/23), Little Locked Rooms (May TBA) Life Sim: Pine Hearts (5/23), SunnySide (5/24) Roguelite: The Rogue Prince of Persia (5/14), Songs of Silence (5/23) Misc: Surmount: A Mountain Climbing Adventure (5/2), Little Kitty Big City (cat simulator, 5/9), Cryptmaster (typing dungeon crawler, 5/9), Synergy (builder/management, 5/21), Reus 2 (god game, 5/28). Cryptmaster won an IGF award.   Animal Well will be on PS+, Hauntii will be on Gamepass It's an unfathomably large month for indie games. There won't be a bigger month than this for a long time. Some of these games were in the very first Steam Next Fest of 2021. Some top the Most Wishlisted category on Steam. Some have been in Early Access for a quite a while. There will be a lot of GOTY candidates from this mix, and no doubt at least half of this list will show up in end-of-year indie recommendation articles. Indika's eccentric vibes intrigue me, Hauntii's mix of Ghost Tricking and Twin Sticking is extremely up my alley, Crow Country is a pitch perfect tribute to Resident Evil games, Dread Delusion is Morrowind PS1 Edition, Lorelei is incredibly stylish, Animal Well is this year's Tunic, and Selaco's the most anticipated boomer shooter since the original DUSK. The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Apr 30, 2024 |
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Subjunctive posted:I’m too stupid to play strategy games, but also too stupid to stop buying them. me and my loving pile of 4x games i will never touch
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StrixNebulosa posted:It's not, though, every single one of those packs (*blood for the blood god aside that one sucks) is a content pack that lets you play as its given lords. Only buy them if you intend to play as them - their stuff is still in the game, you'll still encounter it, you have the full game out of the box. The entire system is designed to be modular so you don't need to own all of it to own all of the gameplay, like paradox. Which essential DLC should I have bought so that my TWW1 dwarves got updated? TWW2 dropped 16 months later and all patches basically stopped. So I eventually had to buy #2 to get the content update to my #1 factions. #3 arrived reasonably later, but let's be honest it's still the same game, but now with greatly raised system reqs so I don't even have the option of buying. So no, I don't buy the argument of 'just pay for the races you like' as it's baloney. Creative Assembly's system is mildly better than Paradox's, but that is damning with such faint praise. This is the Steam thread, we call out poo poo practices all the time, like IOI's burying of their excellent Hitman game under a mountain of store bullshit. edit: Hwurmp posted:a Warhammer videogame that's a ridiculous waste of money is just being true to the source material Serephina fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Apr 30, 2024 |
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Serephina posted:Which essential DLC should I have bought so that my TWW1 dwarves got updated? TWW2 dropped 16 months later and all patches basically stopped. So I eventually had to buy #2 to get the content update to my #1 factions. #3 arrived reasonably later, but let's be honest it's still the same game, but now with greatly raised system reqs so I don't even have the option of buying. So no, I don't buy the argument of 'just pay for the races you like' as it's baloney. Good news! The best DLC is completely free: it's called going outside.
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Mordja posted:Good news! The best DLC is completely free: it's called going outside. Yeah, but there are a lot of bugs.
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and I'll call out the ones I think are lovely and praise the ones I think are consumer friendly.  anyways I last played Intergalactic Fishing in 2020 and I'm happy to see it's gotten patches into 2023, I remember it being really good despite the funny tagline of "no man's sky but for fish" e: wait a minute what is this 
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ImpAtom posted:I have, though admittedly not a super ton. I think the disconnect is that people absolutely do play strategy games to have the most optimal and quickest wins. It's a genuinely fun part of playing them. Not harm if that isn't for you, but a super-overpowered character would lend itself towards that. right sure but total war campaigns are singleplayer, maybe rarely co-op, even more rarely versus, it's not anything like civ and sure you can get an optimal and quick win but many lords have their own quests/wincons, so it's not about optimising your general campaign win, it's optimising your win for each lord you're coming at the game treating it like its another game, that's on you, not on the game
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StrixNebulosa posted:e: wait a minute what is this The rankine scale? It's "kelvin for fahrenheit" Serephina posted:Which essential DLC should I have bought so that my TWW1 dwarves got updated? TWW2 dropped 16 months later and all patches basically stopped. So I eventually had to buy #2 to get the content update to my #1 factions. #3 arrived reasonably later, but let's be honest it's still the same game, but now with greatly raised system reqs so I don't even have the option of buying. So no, I don't buy the argument of 'just pay for the races you like' as it's baloney. See, it's not the same game, whether you think it's close enough to be or not. It's like being mad they didn't patch something into GTA3 when Vice City came out just because you were still playing it. When 2 came out development of 1 ended, and that's not some kind of cruel surprise just because they included old races into the sequel. Don't be obtuse. Squiggle fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Apr 30, 2024 |
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Tiny Timbs posted:me and my loving pile of 4x games i will never touch I could play all those or play Alpha Centauri for the 50000 time instead
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The 7th Guest posted:Cool May Gamez Always a treat to see posts like these! Gonna be hard to narrow down what to get, but I've definitely got my eye on a lot of them. Also reminds me that I still need to play Hellblade 1 before I get into 2.
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