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Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.


In a movie that is incredibly unsubtle, there was one thing that was pretty sly in Dune 2:

The gladiator fight in Geidi Prime hints at the fact that Harkonnens and Atreides are essentially the same - the helpers use futuristic banderillos to subdue Feyd's opponent, just like bullfighters have helpers to subdue bulls (as Paul's grandfather used to do). Hell, the Harkonnen helpers even have bull-like helmets!

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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
They're the same apart from everything else

Basically identical

Tenkaris
Feb 10, 2006

I would really prefer if you would be quiet.

flavor.flv posted:

The way the water cycle works, every single molecule of water you've ever drank in your life has been pissed out by multiple dinosaurs. And with how many priests have been blessing water for so many centuries, all the water in the lakes, rivers and ocean in the world is holy water, which is why we don't have draculas anymore

What about dragulas though? :ohdear:

Regarde Aduck posted:

They're the same apart from everything else

Basically identical

And then the plot reveals oh hey the BG connived to make Paul halfHark anyway

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.
Hannibal Lecter and guy-who-ate-a-hamburger are functionally identical because humans and cattle are both animals.

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


Regarde Aduck posted:

They're the same apart from everything else

Basically identical

They're both noble houses that cause poo poo tons of death and destruction for their own ends and don't give a poo poo who pays the price.

LookieLoo
Feb 10, 2011

I thought my posts were dogshit!

deoju
Jul 11, 2004

All the pieces matter.
Nap Ghost
I was watching Shogun and there is an homage to the iconic sequence from Requiem for a Dream. You know the one, fast cuts of preparing substance to pupil dilating.

Not subtle, but not something I expected in a prestige Japanese period piece.

deoju has a new favorite as of 19:50 on Apr 30, 2024

Android Apocalypse
Apr 28, 2009

The future is
AUTOMATED
and you are
OBSOLETE

Illegal Hen

deoju posted:

I was watching Shogun and there is an homage to the iconic sequence from Requiem for a Dream. You know the one, fast cuts of preparing substance to pupil dilating.

Not subtle, but not something I expected in a prestige Japanese period piece.

I gotta admit it was crazy seeing that old guy saying "rear end to rear end!" in Japanese.

Crespolini
Mar 9, 2014

Regarde Aduck posted:

They're the same apart from everything else

Basically identical

The Atreides are pleasant on a personal level, so they're the good kind of feudal overlord :)

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Android Apocalypse posted:

I gotta admit it was crazy seeing that old guy saying "rear end to rear end!" in Japanese.

My ex was so affected by Requiem for a Dream that she couldn't enjoy Keith David in anything else after that.

Android Apocalypse
Apr 28, 2009

The future is
AUTOMATED
and you are
OBSOLETE

Illegal Hen
It probably didn't help that you kept saying "I know it's pretty, baby, but I didn't take it out for air" every time you unzipped your pants.

deoju
Jul 11, 2004

All the pieces matter.
Nap Ghost
poo poo wrong tgread

Mr. Bad Guy
Jun 28, 2006

Cat Hatter posted:

Hannibal Lecter and guy-who-ate-a-hamburger are functionally identical because humans and cattle are both animals.

Paul is not an animal. Like that is very specifically A Thing in Dune.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Mr. Bad Guy posted:

Paul is not an animal. Like that is very specifically A Thing in Dune.

I did like how the test of the Gom Jabbar was mirrored with what happened to Duke Leto where he willingly sprung the trap of Arrakis in order to eliminate his enemies (and ultimately succeeded.)

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
There's no way the Gom Jabbar wasn't the best foreplay of Feyd's life.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.

Mr. Bad Guy posted:

Paul is not an animal. Like that is very specifically A Thing in Dune.

Yeah, but the captured soldiers being sent into the gladiator ring were.

freeedr
Feb 21, 2005

muscles like this! posted:

I did like how the test of the Gom Jabbar was mirrored with what happened to Duke Leto where he willingly sprung the trap of Arrakis in order to eliminate his enemies (and ultimately succeeded.)

Every time you guys talk about this it seems more and more like a running joke that you’re making up as you go

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

freeedr posted:

Every time you guys talk about this it seems more and more like a running joke that you’re making up as you go

Yeah, I'm getting some serious Mornington Crescent vibes here.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"


just wait until you hear about duncan idaho


no, the OTHER duncan idaho

the OTHER other one

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

freeedr posted:

Every time you guys talk about this it seems more and more like a running joke that you’re making up as you go

That makes it all the more fun.

Breetai
Nov 6, 2005

🥄Mah spoon is too big!🍌
Just wait until you near the end of heretics of dune and read that bit.

His right hand fluttered...

Cryomancer
Jan 22, 2005

Indeed.
I was watching the first "Taken" and at one point he says "I push one button, and 30 agents will be here before you have time to scratch your worthless balls." The word "worthless" here is so hilariously unnecessary and almost... mean? But it makes the line 1000% better. He then murderizes everyone, but I still think that line was kinda mean.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Being a man of worthless balls is just the more depressing version of the man of constant sorrow

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!
If there ever was an unsubtle film, Taken would be it. Thoroughly disgusting piece of poo poo.

TGG
Aug 8, 2003

"I Dare."
drat those movies are terrible but I will never forget being in the theater for Liam just shooting his partners wife. The theater definitely felt that moment and a chick down the row from me let out a very shrill "What the hell babe, WHAT THE HELL!"

Not very subtle though.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Edit l: ^^^^ hold up, what's this now? I only saw 1.

Fish of hemp posted:

If there ever was an unsubtle film, Taken would be it. Thoroughly disgusting piece of poo poo.

My main gripe from Taken is that his daughter and her (best?) friend go on the trip, both get kidnapped, and I'm pretty sure the friend does in a very horrible way.

But HIS daughter's ok at the end, so :buddy:

SimonChris
Apr 24, 2008

The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.
Grimey Drawer

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

My main gripe from Taken is that his daughter and her (best?) friend go on the trip, both get kidnapped, and I'm pretty sure the friend does in a very horrible way.

But HIS daughter's ok at the end, so :buddy:

That's because his daughter is a virgin and is explicitly saved for that reason (virgins are so valuable that the bad guys save them to be sold to evil sheikhs) while the friend was a slut who had it coming. In other words:

Fish of hemp posted:

If there ever was an unsubtle film, Taken would be it. Thoroughly disgusting piece of poo poo.

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Rupert Buttermilk posted:

Edit l: ^^^^ hold up, what's this now? I only saw 1.

My main gripe from Taken is that his daughter and her (best?) friend go on the trip, both get kidnapped, and I'm pretty sure the friend does in a very horrible way.

But HIS daughter's ok at the end, so :buddy:

His daughter is okay because she is a pure virgin good girl and goes to the high dollar action.

The friend is a dirty low value sex having slut therefore gets the horrible fate she 'deserves'.

That's where most folks disgust with the writing comes from.

credburn
Jun 22, 2016
President, Founder of the Brent Spiner Fan Club
Oh wow, I completely missed the part about her being a virgin. I remember walking away from that movie thinking, that sure is an optimistic ending for a girl who has likely been tormented sexually for all that time. But I guess she was only... ugh, that movie is gross.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Jfc, seriously? I guess I don't remember those overtones, but I'm sure I'd see them now if I rewatched it, which I wont.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
Taken came out during the Bush administration and the whole "if you let your children visit Europe they'll be sold into sexual slavery" mindset in the US.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

I don't like it when you're watching me eat.

Pope Corky the IX posted:

Taken came out during the Bush administration and the whole "if you let your children visit Europe they'll be sold into sexual slavery" mindset in the US.

Hostel too, but that was less sexual slavery and more just general torture.

TGG
Aug 8, 2003

"I Dare."
In Taken 1 Liam runs into a former partner of his and is trying to get information out of him and when he realizes his former partner is compromised by the bad guys in some way he just shoots his friends wife in front of him and says, TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW and gets the info and just walks away. He also tortures a human trafficker and when the guy gets ready to give some "gently caress you American you have rules and laws" kinda speech and Liam Neeson just slams nails into his hands into a chair, gets info from him and leaves him in a state of torture to eventually die and I remember people being really stoked on that. Post 9/11 was a very fun time. God those movies were monstrous.

Marcade
Jun 11, 2006


Who are you to glizzy gobble El Vago's marshmussy?

I did like the (fake) pitch for Taken 4 where Liam's character gets kidnapped and has to rescue himself. "I don't know who you are, I don't know where I am, but I will find myself."

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
And then the past few years of interviews has shown that Liam completely agrees with his character in those films.

"I was looking for some black bastard..."

Taeke
Feb 2, 2010


The whole Europe is a depraved hell hole full of vile sex, drugs and foul behaviour vibe American movies had for a while (in the 90s and 2000s?) was weird as hell.

Walk into a bar in Amsterdam and you'll be raped by a dominatrix, but also everywhere outside of Amsterdam is backwards and everyone wears wooden shoes and they don't have modern technology. Germany is all lederhosen and nazis. Go to Feance or Italy and you'll lose your wife to those drat horny suave men. Everything middle or eastern Europe is impoverished and the main mode of transportation is donkey.

Paper Tiger
Jun 17, 2007

🖨️🐯torn apart by idle hands

Pope Corky the IX posted:

And then the past few years of interviews has shown that Liam completely agrees with his character in those films.

"I was looking for some black bastard..."

His cameo on Atlanta played with it, depicting him as "sorry/not sorry"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUfi_0X7SSw

"The best and worst part of being white is we don't have to learn anything if we don't want to"

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Taeke posted:

Walk into a bar in Amsterdam and you'll be raped by a dominatrix, but also everywhere outside of Amsterdam is backwards and everyone wears wooden shoes and they don't have modern technology.

That's a harsh take on EuroTrip, one of the greatest teen movies of all time.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
Wasn't that back when Jeremy Renner didn't have a potato head?

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Taeke
Feb 2, 2010


Arrath posted:

That's a harsh take on EuroTrip, one of the greatest teen movies of all time.

Nah, even though it fed into that vibe I can kinda forgive it for being a comedy and maybe a satire of the whole thing?

I remember seeing actually serious, kinda big budget tv shows like detectives or whatnot having scenes of the Netherlands depicting the Dutch as they were 50-100 years ago. Traditional dress and clogs on a farm with a donkey led cart as transportation in the 2000s.

Same with the middle east and south america and asia and africa, of course. As if technological advancement and modern transportation and idk phones and the internet are uniquely American. For some reason the UK was always depicted somewhat accurately though, I wonder why?

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