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Cutedge posted:If only someone would make it. I mean poo poo I kind of want to just work on one because every game like this seems to go off the rails by not being focused and never taking most of their systems past minimum viable product. I have a lot of complaints about Elite but it's also just the only game in town, y'know? Walking around on stations could be cool, but also what is the point? They added ground combat and it's... fine? It's not great, and again the content is MVP. It doesn't help that doing footwar directly bones the frogs so that's out the window. It's funny because X4 had "doing stuff on foot" from launch and it was exactly as Fluffy and Inconsequential as you could possibly want from a primarily-sim game-- docking means you have a Magic Space Elevator that connects to the station and there's a diagetic "literally just teleport to the cockpit" button, so you can spend exactly as much or as little time RP walking around your ship/the station as you feel like doing. But elite had to go to the ground with FPS gameplay that literally nobody asked for on top of not doing the "being able to walk around in your ship" that everyone was asking for, for some inexplicable reason Cutedge posted:I get that them going back to Elite is definitely a desperation move rather than them wanting to return to something and having a real desire to do active development on the game. It's pretty clear Odyssey was massive egg on their face and something that they couldn't overcome. It wouldn't have surprised me if they put the game into maintenance mode after that. It's possible that some of the upcoming work they are doing is to put the game more into maintenance mode by making it based more on automated systems. The issue is definitely going to be that if they are bringing people onto Elite or back onto Elite, there's going to be a lot of mythical man month before we see that pan out and in the meantime we'll probably see things just get broken as people aren't familiar with the bandaids and duct tape in the codebase. But hey, it probably couldn't ever be as bad as what is going on with Conan Exiles honestly I feel like the game's been put "into maintenance mode" multiple times, they just didn't want to make it Official because people wouldn't buy the ship skins, and then they undid it when the other stuff they were trying to kick off failed and they had to come back to the preexisting watering hole. Wasn't there like a year and change there with no new CGs and no Galnet articles, just radio silence and one-sentence mentions of Elite in their quarterly filings?
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:It's funny because X4 had "doing stuff on foot" from launch and it was exactly as Fluffy and Inconsequential as you could possibly want from a primarily-sim game-- docking means you have a Magic Space Elevator that connects to the station and there's a diagetic "literally just teleport to the cockpit" button, so you can spend exactly as much or as little time RP walking around your ship/the station as you feel like doing. But elite had to go to the ground with FPS gameplay that literally nobody asked for on top of not doing the "being able to walk around in your ship" that everyone was asking for, for some inexplicable reason  The other big thing about maintenance mode in addition to the things you've rightly pointed out, is that they'd either have to finally admit that they aren't ever going to opensource it, or actually do it.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:The other big thing about maintenance mode in addition to the things you've rightly pointed out, is that they'd either have to finally admit that they aren't ever going to opensource it, or actually do it. Yeah I always figured they were full of poo poo about the "if we ever take down the servers we'll make an offline mode then" (since they were full of poo poo about making an offline mode in the first place), but with the addition of ARX it was always going to be a ship-sailed situation as long as the trickle of ARX income outpaces the minimal cost of just running the servers, as hundreds of barely-staggering-along old MMOs can attest to. The Big Cost is in the original development, but keeping something shambling along to join the horde with stuff like DC Universe Online and LOTRO is apparently still Profitable Enough to justify itself. The more realistic outcome is once they've hosed up enough times with other properties, they just sell Elite Dangerous outright to one of those "old MMO maintainer" companies before vanishing as a publisher.
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:Wasn't there like a year and change there with no new CGs and no Galnet articles, just radio silence and one-sentence mentions of Elite in their quarterly filings? Honestly, this part still confuses the heck out of me, because it seems to be fairly easy to just program a function that randomly picks some station, then the faction running the station, selecting x activity from a pool (scanning, combat, mining, trading, etc.) and then selecting numbers and rewards based on some semi-random function. Then you could have generic CGs each week, and the randomness would mean you'd get some really weird poo poo sometimes, but who loving cares? Next week there'll be another one! Frontier could just insert their own, "important" CGs into this system whenever they want. That feels a lot smarter than the current system of only having manually added CGs and therefore zero community goals if the devs don't feel like adding one Edit: 4 seconds of thinking made me realize they could do thing even easier by hooking up this hypothetical CG-system to the background-simulation, have certain situations trigger a CG, like oh no system X has a famine, and if it's chosen by the RNG for CGing, the system goes famine = collect medicine, or something like that Libluini fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Apr 27, 2024 |
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I'm not sure whether it's inability to make it play ball with their codebase or a control freak mindset, but the fact that stuff like CGs exist and that Galnet, player factions, new stations, station upgrades can only happen through manual intervention from FD is pretty sad for a mmo. There's the BGS already, so why not tie it to said stuff, let it trigger events and let players decide how to deal with it? Not sure if that's still the case these days, but I've seen many players over the years begging FD on forums for a CGs for their faction and it's so loving cringe and unnecessary. Is that station in Sothis still "under construction"? FishMcCool fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Apr 27, 2024 |
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Weirdly they do have the capability to do automated CGs. The legacy version of the game, as seen on consoles, no longer receives active development, but it has like an automated rotation of semi-generic CGs go in every other week or something. I think PlayStation has some trophy tied to doing a CG, so they were kind of obligated to leave CGs in some form on console. I know there's one recurring genericish CG to kill some Thargoid interceptors, for example.
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the only way basebuilding would interest me is if it allows me to colonize the weirdest, most hostile places ten thousand light years away from everyone else also, I'd be excited if we're allowed to put guns on our bases and order them to shoot other players coming for a visit
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HJE-Cobra posted:Weirdly they do have the capability to do automated CGs. The legacy version of the game, as seen on consoles, no longer receives active development, but it has like an automated rotation of semi-generic CGs go in every other week or something.  that's a great prank by  we get all the story progression, they get all the missing mechanics to get a full game 
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Libluini posted:the only way basebuilding would interest me is if it allows me to colonize the weirdest, most hostile places ten thousand light years away from everyone else i feel like im open to all sorts of possibilities for base building i just also feel fdev is the company that could gently caress all of them up
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altho i will say, i noticed they basically made a base building space game and when i found out i desperately hoped theyd just "steal" their own assets and combine it into elite. i never played it but visually/conceptually it seems neat. i just refuse to assume theyll make a good change or be optimistic about their abilities because i played odyssey
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Worf posted:altho i will say, i noticed they basically made a base building space game and when i found out i desperately hoped theyd just "steal" their own assets and combine it into elite. I remember when the community was busy explaining how Frontier were totally was totally not losing focus because Planet Coaster was pretty much working on planetary structures/cities for ED, or later when it was the Jurassic Park thingie which was basically Frontier developing the tech for flora and fauna on Earthlikes.
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FishMcCool posted:I remember when the community was busy explaining how Frontier were totally was totally not losing focus because Planet Coaster was pretty much working on planetary structures/cities for ED, or later when it was the Jurassic Park thingie which was basically Frontier developing the tech for flora and fauna on Earthlikes. Elite is Frontier losing focus from making management games, which they made the pile of money that they used to finance Elite with. Planet Coaster is still a fantastic game.
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FishMcCool posted:I remember when the community was busy explaining how Frontier were totally was totally not losing focus because Planet Coaster was pretty much working on planetary structures/cities for ED, or later when it was the Jurassic Park thingie which was basically Frontier developing the tech for flora and fauna on Earthlikes. their mistake was assuming fdev ever focused on elite in any capacity whatsoever just ask the 2 remaining console players
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  Yes, I would like to pay 16 euros for a poorly-outfitted Type 6, a ship you can surpass within 40 minutes of gameplay. (those pre-engineered mining lasers have the incendiary effect for no apparent reason, which is a handicap). Fdev's vision of microtransactions continues to be batshit insane.
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My favourite bit is how they added their garbage white van man "paintjob" to the pack in an attempt to make the whole thing more appealing.
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Tommy the Newt posted:
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I'm very excited about the changes and upcoming content and I am having just as much fun with Elite today as I did in 2014.
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It looks like their "store update" means all items had their ARX price increased from 25-100%, lol
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:It looks like their "store update" means all items had their ARX price increased from 25-100%, lol oof. kinda stupid honestly. makes me way less likely to spend at all like im not gonna drop 20-27k on a ship kit id rather just buy a whole video game
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Everybody knows the time to fleece nerds for spaceships in video games is during alpha.
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The prices of stuff in the store is just bad but a big part of that is that they put everything in bundles. I would consider buying some odyssey cosmetics potentially but they put them in like a hundred dollar bundle. Unfortunately the price points they have on other stuff is kind of par for the course. When they put Space Marines in Call of Duty (lol) it was like 30 bucks. Modern gaming.
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yea but in CoD you dont have to pretend that youre playing a game while you listen to podcasts or watch tv
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They also removed the restrictions on the timed/seasonal cosmetics too, I believe. Everything looks available now. I'm fine paying higher prices if it means I don't have to wait for a specific weekend of the year to get something like the midnight black paintjobs for my ships. I've missed an unfortunate amount of cool things due to being away from the game and oops, better luck next year
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HonorableTB posted:They also removed the restrictions on the timed/seasonal cosmetics too, I believe. Everything looks available now. I'm fine paying higher prices if it means I don't have to wait for a specific weekend of the year to get something like the midnight black paintjobs for my ships. I've missed an unfortunate amount of cool things due to being away from the game and oops, better luck next year The funny thing is that I went to the wayback archive to compare the prices and there were dozens of random ship skins listed in 2023 that just seem to not exist now so either they've hosed up their store changing the skins around, or they're doing the exact same fomo disney vault stuff with a different rotation of available ship skins
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:The funny thing is that I went to the wayback archive to compare the prices and there were dozens of random ship skins listed in 2023 that just seem to not exist now this is fdev so there's a very real possibility that both of those are true at the same time
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hosed up to get back into elite after…good lord almost 10 years away…only to find so many bugs and absolutely baffling design decisions unchanged from when i last played in addition to all the fun “new” ones. like, I would’ve thought that surely fdev would at some point have worked out mission scripting and payment balancing but it’s somehow even worse now? they seriously only ever made the one ground car for horizons but also put completely superfluous multi-car garage modules in the game? they never figured out that you should probably be able to jump from a primary star to the others in the same system? mission timers are still a thing because they never compromised for the sake of the game and just paid you on mission completion and it’s apparently even worse in odyssey because the bgs can prevent the mission giver from spawning if their faction is forced out of a location??? just amazing stuff
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Worf posted:i feel bad for the people that were one week of 400 arx away from a skin. Lol, those prices are more in line with what CCP demands from its EVE-addicts. I guess Frontier became jealous. Are there still cheap skins left? Because CCP gets away with this by also selling some skins for dirt cheap. And blasting the player base with free skins. And allowing players to just find them in game. And "find" them, of course. But CCP just announced a new system to allow players to make their own skins, so Frontier is again two steps behind.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVxgCpBTSpU This video sums up the changes pretty neatly. It seems truly daft from my perspective, this makes me considerably less likely to give them money but hey, there is a chance I'm not the target audience (despite being a person who's been slavishly and exhaustively playing the game for 10 years). Really depressing that they package good, cool changes like the introduction of SCO drives and new ships with such lovely changes that completely eclipse and erase any goodwill they might have generated. If only they could do a Hello Games, but alas.
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Also like, I don't think ARX prices have ever increased since they were introduced. If ARX were introduced today that's likely the price point they'd be at out the door, we're just spoiled from years of inflation-immune cosmetic pricing Looking at my purchase history, the ARX price is consistent back to the first time I bought some in 2020. They'll probably reduce the cost a bit to address the discontent but I guess overall I think people are kind of overreacting to a price increase when it's the first time it's gone up in 5 years and the company itself is doing fairly badly from a financial standpoint. If you enjoy Elite, this is probably how it's going to be funded until FDev can manage to make another game that makes money. HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 09:33 on May 3, 2024 |
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HonorableTB posted:Also like, I don't think ARX prices have ever increased since they were introduced. If ARX were introduced today that's likely the price point they'd be at out the door, we're just spoiled from years of inflation-immune cosmetic pricing I strongly disagree with you here. You need to compare the cost of simple cosmetics in other live service games rather than just say "but inflation". The prices for many of the items now are insane, like "buy a whole new videogame" money. These are not microtransactions. And yeah, Fdev have been doing poorly financially because they keep making bad decisions and producing poor content. There are many things people would be willing to pay for, especially if they were to generate some goodwill from the community, but devaluing people's existing ARSE overnight in a sweaty corporate panic is not good. If you enjoy the game and want to support it, that's great. I also enjoy the game and want to support it, but you seem to be engaging in a fair amount of mental gymnastics to excuse something that isn't even well-executed from a business perspective.
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