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Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

SCheeseman posted:

I missed the second post which was more reasonable. "we'll need to have a talk" is a little different in tone to "i enjoyed that other stuff and not this but i hope you enjoyed whatever you were trying to do there i guess"

It's fine not like AI, it's the deranged levels of anger that it causes and the stupid justifications for it that I find annoying. Particularly since there's better places to direct it.
they are literal plagiarism machines, maybe if they did not run off of actual theft of others works you could argue even remotely in their defense but as they stand they must be destroyed

SCheeseman posted:

I guess we'll see.
train your algorithm on it please

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16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

you see this character named dr. light is too goofy he's too silly and he's a joke we need to make him better... by having him rape people and make his sole defining characteristic being about rape. he is dr. rape now this is a cool new unique twist on the character and we will make a comic about the justice league mind wiping him to make him the goofy villain you thought he was

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

that time DC held an art contest and the goal of the contest was to draw a single page of harley quinn committing suicide whoever drew the best suicide won

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:

that time DC held an art contest and the goal of the contest was to draw a single page of harley quinn committing suicide whoever drew the best suicide won

I remember this lmao

Edit:

dc posted:


Harley sitting naked in a bathtub with toasters, blow dryers, blenders, appliances all dangling above the bathtub and she has a cord that will release them all. We are watching the moment before the inevitable death. Her expression is one of “oh well, guess that’s it for me” and she has resigned herself to the moment that is going to happen.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

that time DC held an art contest and the goal of the contest was to draw a single page of harley quinn committing suicide whoever drew the best suicide won

Lmao what the hell

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

That the tryout Harley Quinn page went out without an overall description of tone and dialogue is all my fault. I should have put it clearly in the description that it was supposed to be a dream sequence with me talking to Harley and giving her a hard time. I should have also mentioned we were thinking a Mad magazine /Looney Tunes approach was what we were looking for.

Overbite
Jan 24, 2004


I'm a vtuber expert
The funny suicide, the comedy one. A jork. Harley is a clown and clowns are inherently funny.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

Jokatgulm is tedium.
Jokatgulm is pain.
Jokatgulm is suffering.

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

that time DC held an art contest and the goal of the contest was to draw a single page of harley quinn committing suicide whoever drew the best suicide won

OK, I know the answer is the same as Marvel(IP farm), but how is DC still around?

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



How come nobody did the joker who bats???

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

Feels Villeneuve posted:

why does GBS have an "AI music" thread anyway. what is going on there

making GBS threads up soundcloud enmasse is whats going on lol. i mean the site's already falling to hordes of spam bots but hey gently caress it

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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I went into the gbs ai thread hoping for silly nonsense but it’s all people trying to make real art

Not a good thread imo

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Restaurant de Nouvelles "À Table" Proudly Presents:
A Climactic Encounter Ending on 1 Negate and a Dream
GBS is basically reddit so they're kind of stupid and fully fall for all that stupid poo poo. It's why you occasionally get anyone else to look at the forum and get situations like "Hey whats with all these posters openly lusting over killing dogs?" and "Why is there a series of threads where a freak draws and writes incredibly lovely pornography 'adventures' about trans women?" and of course "Why is this news thread mad they can't post videos of people dying any more?" So they're prime suckers for that kind of thing, they're very good at ignoring freak behavior.

Rancid vibes.

ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 14:33 on May 4, 2024

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

Hel posted:

OK, I know the answer is the same as Marvel(IP farm), but how is DC still around?

its an IP farm that isnt managed by its corporate overlord very well unlike Marvel and Disney so stuff like this slips through and its funny every time

HolePisser1982
Nov 3, 2002


Endorph posted:

copyright and capitalism are bad, but they were bad before ai. ai is uniquely bad not because of those things, but because its ai. it being ai ties into copyright and capitalism, but they aren't the sole problem with ai. if those things magically didn't exist and all artists existed in a wonderful happy land, ai would still suck.

like 'artists wouldnt be threatened by this stuff if there wasnt a financial impact on them.' are you crazy. be for real. even if everyone whod ever drawn a stick figure was a billionaire people would still be upset by their art being fed into the slurry machine.

ZenMasterBullshit posted:

GBS is basically reddit so they're kind of stupid and fully fall for all that stupid poo poo. It's why you occasionally get anyone else to look at the forum and get situations like "Hey whats with all these posters openly lusting over killing dogs?" and "Why is there a series of threads where a freak draws and rights incredibly lovely pornography 'adventures' about trans women?" and of course "Why is this news thread mad they can't post videos of people dying any more?" So they're prime suckers for that kind of thing, they're very good at ignoring freak behavior.

Rancid vibes.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Hel posted:

OK, I know the answer is the same as Marvel(IP farm), but how is DC still around?

Batman.

A huge chunk of their titles are Bat-family related in some way or another and he is by far their most popular character in terms of merch (though still dwarfed by Spider-man).

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

Hel posted:

OK, I know the answer is the same as Marvel(IP farm), but how is DC still around?

their animation output is still pretty solid (with the occasional miss like killing joke)

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

ZenMasterBullshit posted:

GBS is basically reddit so they're kind of stupid and fully fall for all that stupid poo poo. It's why you occasionally get anyone else to look at the forum and get situations like "Hey whats with all these posters openly lusting over killing dogs?" and "Why is there a series of threads where a freak draws and writes incredibly lovely pornography 'adventures' about trans women?" and of course "Why is this news thread mad they can't post videos of people dying any more?" So they're prime suckers for that kind of thing, they're very good at ignoring freak behavior.

Rancid vibes.

the guy who said ai chatbots were more human than the mentally ill kids he worked with ftw

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Restaurant de Nouvelles "À Table" Proudly Presents:
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Endorph posted:

the guy who said ai chatbots were more human than the mentally ill kids he worked with ftw

Does GBS not have mods or are they just also incredibly loving stupid?

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

he got banned but i think people had to make fun of him in sad first

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Ghostlight posted:

no he strikes fear into the superstitious hearts of criminals in his spandex tights

thats right :colbert:

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



When they switched the cspam and gbs musk thread there were gbs guys genuinely upset that people were saying nefarious, right wing things like "Elon musk ftw" and that it will normalise white supremacy

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

the gbs musk thread owns because i said 'threads is a flop' and then people called me a neonazi for daring to say threads was a flop and then nobody on earth ever thought about threads ever again

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

"It's okay. There are other Terminators! Just give us this one!"
Hell Gem
A lot of people seem to only understand plagiarism as a loss of monetary value (or the monetary value that comes from exposure) when that's really not true. Even without Capitalists, people would still look down on plagiarism. You can see this with stuff like fanfic plagiarism even though money was never exchanged.

Or to put it this way, if there was an author who was otherwise mediocre but sometimes had moments of brilliance and then it turned out all the good parts were someone else, people are going to view the first author differently. Nobody would give a gently caress about "the experience is still the same".

fun hater
May 24, 2009

its a neat trick, but you can only do it once

Grondoth posted:

I think this guy has seriously changed. The video about the tornadoes starts with a lesson on how all the land in tornado alley was stolen from natives. Not a nod to it, but an explicit explanation of what happened(politicians ignoring treaties and federal protections to force out the people who lived there) and why(so they could create slave states, keeping enough political power to stop slavery from being abolished or curtailed). It'd be very easy to ignore that stuff to talk about massive tornadoes hitting towns in the 90's, but they didn't. They went out of their way to talk about it, and even framed it as the tornadoes being punishment for past sins.

That's not the take of someone who thinks "man how come we just can't MOVE ON already, geez"
i think of he'd meaningfully changed he would take down the offending video that makes him look like a huge jackass instead of keeping it up in perpetuity for ad revenue.

lol also at the land acknowledgement continuing to be a tell-tale sign that someone sucks

fun hater
May 24, 2009

its a neat trick, but you can only do it once

SCheeseman posted:

AI is just some dumb software, it's not some spooky magic creativity vampire. Any actual harms that are caused by it derive from it's use by capitalists, but you can say this about literally every technology ever made.

lol er. people did get mad about the invention of the camera and it upheaved art as we knew it.

we made fun of people who relied too heavily on dodge and burn tools too you know. or HDR. using tech or tools as a means to obfuscate that you dont have any talent is pathetic loser behavior and gets ppl laughed at

SCheeseman posted:

"stop doing things you enjoy and serve my tastes and preferences instead, fucker"

......first time experiencing art criticism?????

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

you see this character named dr. light is too goofy he's too silly and he's a joke we need to make him better... by having him rape people and make his sole defining characteristic being about rape. he is dr. rape now this is a cool new unique twist on the character and we will make a comic about the justice league mind wiping him to make him the goofy villain you thought he was

Like, identity crisis had the germ of a decent idea (how come no one ever figures out superheroes secret identities? Oh mind wipes) that better writers could have done something interesting with once it was established. But instead the lasting effects of that story were "Jean Loring is evil now" and "Dr Light's literal only character trait is he loves rape". Why would you even WANT to make that a guy's entire deal?

Edit : I guess Brother Eye and the whole OMAC thing too. I GUESS

fun hater
May 24, 2009

its a neat trick, but you can only do it once

SCheeseman posted:

I think there should be monetary compensation for artists who have had their works trained on,

and if they refuse? i would. then what.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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Burn tool was my favorite as a kid bc i could make cool wounds or zombies with it.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lvs4YKC3ag

Missed the AI chat have some Jonathan Ferguson firearms instead

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

fun hater posted:

and if they refuse? i would. then what.

<modem noises, apple spinning wheel icon>

Refuse? But this future. Failure to participate is not a choice, it's a mistake

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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Arc Hammer posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lvs4YKC3ag

Missed the AI chat have some Jonathan Ferguson firearms instead

I doubt this person explains the spear and its mind of its own

Edit: color me wrong!

CelticPredator fucked around with this message at 16:23 on May 4, 2024

HolePisser1982
Nov 3, 2002


CelticPredator posted:

Burn tool was my favorite as a kid bc i could make cool wounds or zombies with it.

hell yeah, and get that smudge tool goin for some spiky teeth or flames or something

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

"It's okay. There are other Terminators! Just give us this one!"
Hell Gem
I always think of that one Strong Bad email with the fantasy webcomic starring protags Dodge and Burn

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

CelticPredator posted:

I doubt this person explains the spear and its mind of its own

Well his buddy Dave gets the footage and Jonathan makes sense of it and Dave is good at the game so he makes the Spear work properly.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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Spear is low key one of my favorites when it works. It just burns through the side objectives and man that’s just nice to do.

fun hater
May 24, 2009

its a neat trick, but you can only do it once

Fil5000 posted:

<modem noises, apple spinning wheel icon>

Refuse? But this future. Failure to participate is not a choice, it's a mistake

no one has a contingency plan for when the artist they steal from is kishibe rohan. daga kotowaru

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

thinking about that AI batman comic someone made to brag about and the "story" was joker kidnapping robin while robin was in the back of the batmobile with batman for most of the panels

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

SCheeseman posted:

It's one thing to be disappointed, but another to feel that someone needs to be talked down to because they stopped creating something you enjoy. It's entitled as gently caress.

The rest of this argument is whatever but I took those comments to be “I liked seeing my friend experimenting with irl photography and the interesting things that come out of it and I don’t really care to see more AI generated slop.” Not “I’m going to tell my friend to give up being A Prompter and go back to photography.” Like you’re shittalking the photography you’ve never seen by going “It’s probably as low-effort as doing AI prompts.” And like, no, even if you’re just whipping your phone out to snap a picture there’s more going on.

You’re using your human eyes and your mind to detect an overlapping series of circumstances that is visually pleasing or compelling or interesting that’s occurring right now irl. If you’re pulling your phone out you’re probably taking the time to frame the moment, make sure it’s somewhat in focus, maybe you adjust the exposure if you know how. You’re capturing a moment in front of you that you find interesting enough to share. And if this friend of theirs was taking the time to regularly do this stuff, maybe they were even experimenting with touching things up adjusting the colors or something in an image editor?

In any case it’s also documentation. A travel log. A collection of moments arranged in order that someone you know might enjoy because they appreciate seeing the areas you saw, through something close to your eyes. There’s a level of personal attachment to that, and a level of beautiful realism. If you’ve never seen how well that can work then go find a copy of The Photographer: Into War-torn Afghanistan with Doctors Without Borders. It’s a graphic novel/photo collage travel log hybrid thing that is a fantastic presentation of how images in sequence, and even photographs tell a personal story. And in that by the photographer’s own admission some of his best images were “impulse snapshots”.

The LLM programs are bit complicated algorithms trying to best guess what is pleasing based on what they were fed as “good art” and that still fails all the time because the stolen art it grabbed from is still a terribly limited range of aesthetic choices. Like I made the mistake of committing to running a ttrpg online for friends and I need a lot of art for NPC tokens to fire off fast because I like visual aids. So sure, I’ll search up some art and yeah everything is inundated with AI crap. Like even when it’s not giving me results where someone’s forehead morphs into a second torso or Emma Watson with a Freddy Krueger worm neck, it’s just loving generic.

Almost every guy has the same gigachad facial structure. Almost every woman has generic supermodel proportions. They’ve always got the same dull bloomy lighting like they’re Oblivion NPCs. And they all have that blank boomer-lead stare expressionless face. Also mostly white unless I add to the search (and then “ethnic identifiers” start sliding in too woo.) It’s a loving miserable slog because everything looks the loving same and there’s no personality coming though in any of the figures depicted.

I don’t know what kind of AI art was coming up in place of actual IRL photography, but I can totally see how it would loving suck to stop getting personal pictures from a friend and start being served “I told an algorithm to make me an ideal studio ghibli countryside and here’s what auto completed for me” instead.

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

furthermore if you think ai art is cool or funny you should be shot

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16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

(AVGN voice) i am dead loving serious

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