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Rectal Death Alert
Apr 2, 2021

Pokemon Go-enocide Your Opposition

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fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://x.com/POTUS/status/1786765648560890331

The Leck
Feb 27, 2001

Lord of Pie posted:

Like all of the moneyed war likers he immediately found a way to get out of his mandatory participation so Corn Pop could get sent instead
hey, he definitely had crippling asthma years before. you know, when he was playing football and working as a life guard.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
i'm not gonna criticize anyone for dodging the draft. it was a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

rather, the problem lies in every other thing joe biden has ever done or said.

Scarabrae
Oct 7, 2002


Israel blows up kids playing soccer and the United States response is to make saying Zionist legally as bad using the K word

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Vim Fuego posted:

NoJoe 2024




What kind of liberal are you?

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

Vim Fuego posted:

NoJoe 2024


Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011


This is loving weird. I don't like it

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Clip-On Fedora posted:

This is loving weird. I don't like it

https://x.com/TheDemocrats/status/1786738865887117814

Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable

spacetoaster posted:


What kind of liberal are you?

Still can't get over how libs could gently caress up the Civil War 2.0 movie so badly

Toph Bei Fong
Feb 29, 2008



https://www.axios.com/2024/05/04/double-haters-trump-biden-2024-election

quote:

Understanding the "double haters" who dislike Trump and Biden
Zachary Basu

Illustration of a pile of angry emojis overflowing from a trophy cup.
Illustration: Aďda Amer/Axios

President Biden and former President Trump are in hot pursuit of a big — and possibly determinative — group of voters who loathe both men.

Why it matters: This bloc of "double haters" has ballooned in size thanks to the surge in Biden's unpopularity since 2020, with polls suggesting they now represent 16% to 20% of the electorate.

That makes 2024 more similar to 2016 — when exit polls showed 18% of voters disliked both Trump and Hillary Clinton — than 2020, when Biden and Trump's dual unfavorables amounted to just 3% of the vote.
The behavior of double haters — whether they stay home, vote third-party or bite the bullet in favor of Biden or Trump — could be the X-factor in swing states where a few thousand votes could decide the winner.

The big picture: In this year's historically unpopular rematch, the double haters represent an extraordinarily broad range of views. None is a monolith, but several powerful identity groups stand out above the rest.

1. Old-guard Republicans: The GOP establishment may be a shell of its former self, but the ranks of the excommunicated have grown considerably since the early days of the "Never Trump" movement.

No Labels-style moderates such as former Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan have been joined by arch conservatives such as former VP Mike Pence, one of many who were repulsed by Trump's behavior on Jan. 6.
The list of disillusioned Trump allies is longer than ever, with former GOP primary rivals Nikki Haley and Chris Christie among the most prominent — and potentially decisive — double haters.

2. Pro-Palestinians: Arab-Americans and left-wing activists have accused Biden of enabling "genocide" with his support for Israel's war in Gaza, generating heartburn for Democrats ahead of their August convention in Chicago.

Trump — no friend to the Palestinians or campus protesters — has attacked Democrats for insufficiently supporting Israel and vowed to restore his Muslim travel ban on Day 1 of his presidency.
But progressive activists are increasingly rejecting the "lesser of two evils" paradigm that historically has benefited Democrats, raising the risk that they'll boycott the election or vote third party.

3. Techno-optimists: This loose network of "free speech" advocates and DEI critics isn't significant in raw numbers — but could be when it comes to money and influence. It's also shifting unmistakably toward Trump.

Elon Musk, who says he voted for Biden in 2020, has become one of the president's loudest critics — routinely using his massive X platform to spread fears about illegal immigration and the "woke mind virus."
Venture capitalists David Sacks, who said Trump "disqualified himself" after Jan. 6, and Chamath Palihapitiya, a former Democrat, are planning a Trump fundraiser in San Francisco as soon as this month, Puck reports.

Zoom in: Robert F. Kennedy Jr., whose independent campaign has collected enough signatures to appear on at least three swing-state ballots, could win as much as 38% of the double hater vote, according to a Monmouth poll out this week.

Polls vary on whether Kennedy will siphon more support from Biden or Trump, but both campaigns are taking the spoiler threat extremely seriously.

Jefrey Pollock, president of the Democratic polling firm Global Strategy Group, said the Biden campaign is using its huge fundraising advantage to define RFK Jr. as "dangerous" and "a vote for Trump."
"Last time, the third-party candidates didn't matter because there were so few 'dual unfavorables,' " Pollock told Axios. In 2020 — as in 2016, when Green Party candidate Jill Stein won more votes than Trump's margin in some swing states — they could be decisive.

Between the lines: Biden's campaign believes the president has an advantage with the double haters, even as his unpopularity has soared amid questions about his age, illegal immigration and persistent inflation.

The campaign is running ads explicitly targeting Haley voters, who continue to turn out as a sizable protest vote against Trump in GOP primaries nearly two months after Haley exited the race.
Trump has done little to mend bridges with his former UN ambassador or other jilted allies, and has even mocked conservative critics like former Attorney General Bill Barr who decided to endorse him.
Trump is instead counting on expanding his appeal elsewhere — including with an address to the Libertarian National Convention later this month and ads targeting disaffected Black voters.

What they're saying: "If Trump's extreme agenda of banning abortion nationwide and gutting Security Security wasn't repellent enough to these voters, he is also doing nothing to reach them — a surefire losing strategy," Biden campaign spokesman Charles Lutvak said in a statement.

The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Asproigerosis posted:

Still can't get over how libs could gently caress up the Civil War 2.0 movie so badly

I haven't watched it yet (waiting for it to be free on streaming).

I imagine they went with the most contrived BS split ever.

A real, current day, US civil war probably would not be cleanly divided by state lines.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

Asproigerosis posted:

Still can't get over how libs could gently caress up the Civil War 2.0 movie so badly

the Purge movies are way better

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

there would be nothing cleanly divided you would have multiple towns/cities within states themselves fighting

RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007

no trump flag at least! :dumbbravo:

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

HallelujahLee posted:

there would be nothing cleanly divided you would have multiple towns/cities within states themselves fighting

It would probably be neighborhood vs neighborhood in most places (or neighbors).

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

spacetoaster posted:

It would probably be neighborhood vs neighborhood in most places (or neighbors).

pretty much but liberals are imbeciles so it doesn't surprise the movie is garbage

i didnt watch it but lol at a texas-california alliance

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

HallelujahLee posted:


i didnt watch it but lol at a texas-california alliance

I think that might have made it in because texas is now full of people who moved there from california.

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Rectal Death Alert posted:

Remember when he started polling so badly with latinos that he just awkwardly walked out and held up a cellphone playing Despacito?

lmao no way

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

remembering the taco thing too

Automata 10 Pack
Jun 21, 2007

Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette

mags posted:

puke suckfucker

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Rectal Death Alert posted:

Remember when he started polling so badly with latinos that he just awkwardly walked out and held up a cellphone playing Despacito?

Holy crap, I forgot that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXOlvWw8uXs

lol

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXOlvWw8uXs

the "dances" part is definitely fake news though

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

spacetoaster posted:

I haven't watched it yet (waiting for it to be free on streaming).

I imagine they went with the most contrived BS split ever.

A real, current day, US civil war probably would not be cleanly divided by state lines.

I did watch the movie, and the actual politics of the civil war really didn't come into play. It was really just a story about how war journalists and photographers are detached assholes with stupid hosed up priorities.

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXOlvWw8uXs

the "dances" part is definitely fake news though

lmao jesus christ

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

Vim Fuego posted:

NoJoe 2024


World Famous W
May 25, 2007

BAAAAAAAAAAAA

Vim Fuego posted:

NoJoe 2024


HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

Vim Fuego posted:

NoJoe 2024


Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

Vim Fuego posted:

NoJoe 2024


VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Except for maybe the gun safety one all of these are blatantly wrong

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

VoicesCanBe posted:

Except for maybe the gun safety one all of these are blatantly wrong

they did pass something on guns it did absolutely nothing to combat whatever they claimed it combated

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

VoicesCanBe posted:

Except for maybe the gun safety one all of these are blatantly wrong

Um, excuse me but did you forget that lying whore loves Putin so she can't be a victim of Joe Biden's alleged rape?

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

lol
Press Briefing by Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre | The White House

www.whitehouse.gov - Fri, 03 May 2024 posted:

James S. Brady Press Briefing Room

1:52 P.M. EDT

Q Oh, my goodness.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: Oh, my goodness. I wonder why.

Good afternoon, everybody.

Q Good afternoon.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: Happy Friday. Don’t say things don’t get exciting in here sometimes.

I really — there’s no introduction that really is needed here. I have a special guest, as you can see. Mark Hamill has decided to join us on this wonderful Friday, and I am really excited to turn it over to Mr. Hamill.
Here you go.

MR. HAMILL: Just for — okay. How many of you had “Mark Hamill will lead the press briefing” on your bingo card? Hands? (Laughter.) Yeah, me either.

And look, I just got to meet the President. He gave me these aviator glasses to me.

Q What a treasure.

MR. HAMILL: I love the merch. Love it all.

But listen, I just wanted to say I was honored to be asked to come to the White House to meet the President — the most legislatively successful president in my lifetime. And, you know, I don’t have to go through the list — the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, the PACT Act, the CHIPS Act, all of that — Inflation. Fifteen million jobs. Look, it’s all good.

I mean, I was really thrilled to meet the entire staff because you know it’s not just one person. It’s like a composite endeavor. And all these people — my goodness. You know, I mean, I have no idea — I had no idea just what went into what is on his plate on a daily basis.

So, that’s pretty much it. I’m open to questions, although no “Star Wars” questions, please. (Laughter.)

But I want to say once again how grateful I am. And it just shows you that one person can be so influential and so positive in our lives. And again, thank you so much.

And, Peter Baker, I loved your book.

Yes.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: Wow!

Q Thank you, Mark Hamill, for being here. What did you ask — what did you talk about with the President?

MR. HAMILL: Well, first of all, I only expected to be there for like five minutes. He showed us all these photographs. And, you know, it was really amazing to me because, you know, I was — I was invited to the Carter White House, and I came. And then I came to the Obama White House, but I never was invited into the Oval Office. And it was a large gathering. So, this one was really extra special.

Q All right, sir.

MR. HAMILL: So — yes.

Q Did President Biden bring up “Star Wars,” too, sir?

MR. HAMMILL: Well, you know, I called him “Mr. President.” He said, “You can call me ‘Joe.’” And I said, “Can I call you ‘Joe-bi-Wan Kenobi’?” (Laughter.) He liked that.

But listen, I’m not really here to dominate. I have to turn it back over to our wonderful press secretary, Karine Jean-Pierre. So, thank you all so much.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: Thank you.

MR. HAMILL: All right, thank you.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: Thank you.

MR. HAMILL: Okay.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: Thank you so much for being here. I got to get those shades.

Q Tell him (inaudible) only hope.

Q (Inaudible.) (Laughter.)

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: Thank you, guys. Thank you. (Applause.)

No one ever claps for me when I get off the podium. (Laughter.) Just saying.

Q (Inaudible.)

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: I know. The unexpected — expect the unexpected.


Q And then, just to close the loop. What was Mark Hamill doing here today? (Laughter.)

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: I think he said. He said he was meeting with — he was having a meeting — did you not like having him here?

Q No, I mean, that’s not — (laughter) —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: I was like —

Q — we all loved seeing him —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: It sounded —

Q — but —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: It sounded — it sounded very — kind of like, “Why? Why here?”

Q Well —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: No, he said it himself. I — we — we wanted to make sure that he provided — which is one of the reasons he spoke to why he was here himself. He wanted to meet with the President. They had a meeting. And —

Q But about what? (Laughter.)

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: Well, he — I mean, you guys asked him questions. (Laughs.)

They had a meeting about what the President has been able to do on behalf of the American people. Mark Hamill was in town. They met. I think it was — it was important.

As someone — you all — you all know Mark Hamill. He is someone who has — who is very much invested in our country, very much invested in — in the direction of this country. And so, they had a — you know, they had a meeting.

It was — he ex- — he went into that meeting — and I thought — we thought it would be fun for him to come out here and lighten up — lighten up the room a little bit on a Friday. We also believe that you guys are s- — there’s some “Star Wars” fans in here.

But, you know, the President — I mean, the President meets with a lot of people. There’s a lot of people that come through the White House that the President has an opportunity to sit down and talk with. You just happened to — you just happened to see Mark Hamill today because we thought it would be a nice gesture to have him come out and say hello.

But I wouldn’t put to m- — I really wouldn’t put too much into it. He meets —

Q Okay.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: — with a lot of people here.

Q Thank you.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: Yeah.

All right. Geez. Weijia is not happy about Mark Hamill being here. (Laughter.) That’s okay. I’m not going to tell him. He’s not watching, probably. I won’t tell him.

Q I don’t — I haven’t seen —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: Do you not —

Q — the movies.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: Do you not like “Star Wars”?

Q I will — I —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: You have not seen “Star Wars”?

Q I will now. I will now.

Q Booo —

Q I know.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: That’s why that happened, folks. That’s why I got the question. (Laughter.)

Q I’m going to watch. I’m going to watch.

Q She’s not alone.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: Oh, there’s more.

Q What?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: Wow. All right. I’m going to let that go. Let’s continue.

Q Weijia, we have to talk after this. I have stories.

Q For the record, I (inaudible).

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: Oh, thank you, Gabe. All right. Thank you, Gabe. We thought — it’s Friday, y’all. It’s Friday. A little bit of — you know, a little bit of fun — “Star Wars” fun.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

here's the normal sicko stuff that's made even sicker by luke skywalker's presence. didn't know KJP was Columbia.
Press Briefing by Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre | The White House

www.whitehouse.gov - Fri, 03 May 2024 posted:

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  All right.  Okay.  

I do have a couple of things before we get into — turn — turn it into some serious business and take your questions.  Thank you so much for indulging us today.  We thought that might be a nice thing to do for you all to see Mark Hamill, as he was here, as you just heard, visiting from — with the President — President Biden — President here today.  

So, today marks World Press Freedom Day, an occasion that highlights the importance of a free press, both of our democracy here in the United States and for our societies around the world.  

From exposing corruption and human rights abuses to covering communities and conflicts the world over, gen- — journalists risk their lives every day in the pursuit of truth — in the pursuit of truth.  

In a statement this morning, President Biden reaffirmed his commitment to support and take action in defense of media freedom.  The Biden-Harris administration has already launched a robust government-wide campaign and built a coalition of countries to counter the proliferation and misuse of commercial spyware which has been misused against journalists and continues to provide legal and other support for media who face persecution around the world.  

The President also called again for the immediate, unconditional release of all journalists who have been detained around the world, including the Wall Street Journal’s Evan Gershkowi- — Gershkovich, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty’s Alsu Kurmasheva, and of course Austin Tice in Syria.  

In the coming weeks, the President will take executive action in response to the global crackdown on press freedom, declare it a grave threat to national security, and authorize measures, including sanctions and visas bans, against those who attempt to silence the press.  

The United States stands by media around the world and will continue to do our part to support their important work.  


As you all know, Americans have a right to free speech and peacefully protest.  But — but breaking into buildings, destroying property, and shutting down campuses is not peaceful protest.  There is also no place on ca- — college campuses or in America for antisemitism.  

This administration will continue to defend free speech while standing up for the rule of law.

And, Josh, good to see you.

Q    Good to see you, Karine.  

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  All right.

Q    May the Force be with you.  (Laughter.)

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  May the Force be with you, or, tomorrow, the 4th be with you — however you want to look at it.  (Laughs.)

Q    Let’s hope we’ve killed off the “Star Wars” jokes for the rest of the briefing.  (Laughter.)


Q    First, a top orthopedic surgeon at Shifa has apparently died in Israeli custody.  He was 50 years old.  If medical personnel are not going to be exempt from the war, how can Gazans hope to have any medical care?  And what can you say to other doctors working in that area?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  And so, look, that is devastating news and devastating to hear.  And our hearts go out to friends and families — his friend and families.  That is certainly one of the hardest news that you can hear — a family member can hear, especially as someone is providing care in this — in this situation in Gaza, where we know humanitarian aid is dire and the innocent people of Gaza, the Palestinian citizens, obviously need that care.  They need that assistance.  So, it is obviously devastating to hear.  

And the President has said, and has said very clearly, that when it comes to people who are citizens who are in Gaza providing that all-important care — humanitarian aid, humanitarian care — they need to be protected.  They should be protected.  And so, certainly, those conversations are going to continue.  

We — we believe that, certainly, Israel has made — the Israeli government has taken efforts to do just that and has taken into account our concerns.  And so, we’re going to continue to have those conversations.  

But it is heartbreaking to hear.  I can’t speak specifically to that case and what occurred.  Obviously, someone’s life was lost.  And we have to be, certainly, mindful.  And we’re — at this time, I can offer my condolences.  And we want to make sure innocent lives — innocent civilians of — people who are, certainly, offering that humanitarian aid, their — their lives are protected as they’re doing so.

Q    Secondly, what can you say about reports that Israel has briefed the administration on its efforts to evacuate civilians before a Rafah invasion?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  So, what I can say this — and we — we’ve been pretty clear.  We haven’t seen a comprehensive plan — a plan as it relates to their thinking on the Rafah operations.  We have been also clear that — of our concerns of a maj- — any major operations — military operations into Rafah.  

We have said, and you all have heard us say, there’s more than a million Palestinian civilians living in — n- — well, seeking refuge in — in Rafah.  And we want to make sure that they are — their — their lives are protected.  

And so, that is important.  And we want to s- — we want to continue to have the conversations that we’ve been having with the Israeli government.  

As you know, it’s been — those conversations have been led by the National Security Advisor, Jake Sullivan.  He was just here last week, as you all know, as well.  And so, we had two virtual — virtual conversations.  We’re hoping to have one in person.  We want those conversations to continue.  

We believe that they are going to take — Israel government is going to take our concerns into account.  But we have not seen a plan — a comprehensive plan.  And we want to make sure that those conversations continue, because it is important to protect those Palestinian lives, those innocent lives, those more than a million citizens who are seeking refuge in Gaza — in — in that part of Gaza — in Rafah.

Q    And — and then, lastly, on campus protests.  The President has drawn the line at violence, but he said he’s not bringing in the National Guard.  Does he think the police presence deters violence or exacerbates it?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  So, just to be very clear about the National Guard: That is something that governors decide on.  That is a decision for them to make, when it comes to the National Guard.  And so, I want to just reiterate that again from here.

And, look, we have always been very clear.  When it comes to police presence on college and universities, that is certainly something that — that universities and colleges have to make a decision on.  That is something that they decide what is right to — how — right to — to move forward on their campuses and colleges.  

And we understand — we understand how painful this moment is.  We — you’ve heard me say it: It is a incredibly charged time.  It is a charged environment.  And it is very difficult, because of that charged environment, for law enforcement.  

We also believe and it is important that all Americans can peacefully protest within the law.  They have to be able to do that.  It is — you heard from the President.  It is — it is part of our fundamental American principles, part of our — or what make America’s freedom — right? — to be able to — to protest peacefully in this country.

And it is also important, which is the second part that the President talked about yesterday — is the rule of law.  We have to follow the rule of law.  Violence is not protected here.

But Americans have the right to peacefully — peacefully protest within the law.  And we’re going to be very consistent here.  

And as I said, these are incredibly pain- — incredibly painful time.  And it is very charged moment.  And we understand how difficult that could be.  

And so, I’ll just leave it there.  

Is that your three topics?

Q    Yes.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Okay.  All right.  Go ahead, Selina.

Q    Thanks, Karine.  So, you say that you haven’t seen a comprehensive plan for Rafah, but I am told by a U.S. official that the U.S. has been briefed on some sort of initial plan.  So, can you just tell us what the reaction was —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  So —

Q    — to Israeli counterparts about that initial brief?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  So, I’m going to be super mindful.  These pri- — these conversations are — you know, these are diplomatic conversations.  We don’t read out in details, in specifics on — on the conversations that we have with our — with — certainly with all of our counterparts here.

The last time there was a virtual meeting, we did have a readout there.  But I don’t want to go into details.

We have been very clear, in public and in private, that our concerns with a — with a large military operation into Rafah — we do not — we’re not in support of that.  

And so, obviously, there’s been conversations.  There’s been two virtual-led conversation led by the National Security Advisor on this particular topic, Rafah operations.  We read out to all of you the last time that the President spoke with the Prime Minister of Israel, Rafah operations came up in that conversations.  

We’re not going to go into details from here.  But I think we’ve made ourselves very clear.  There are more than 1.1 — 1.5 million Palestinians who are seeking refuge there.  And so, we believe those lives need to be protected.  And we’re going to continue to have those conversations.

Q    So, to be clear, the U.S. was not satisfied with whatever — 

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  I’m not —

Q    — the U.S. was briefed on in this initial plan?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  I’m just — I’m not going to go into details or specifics from here.  We’ve been clear about our concerns.  We’re going to continue to be clear about our concerns here.  Those conversations are going to continue.  And I’m just going to leave it there.  

Q    And just switching gears a little bit.  

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Yeah.

Q    A new ABC News/Ipsos poll found that nearly 4 in 10 Americans say the U.S. is doing too much to support Israel.  That’s up from about 3 in 10 in January.  So, it is showing that support for Israel is declining as the war drags on.  Is the President concerned about this? 

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  I’m not going to go into every poll that comes out.  That’s for political pundits to do.  I used to be one.  I’m not one anymore, standing here at this podium.  

But what I can say is that we saw what happened on October 7th.  We heard from Hamas, a terrorist organization, what they said that they would do.  A leader from that organization said they want to see October 7th happen again and again and again.

More than 1,200 souls were taken on that day.  Two hundred — more than two hundred Israelis, including some American hostages, were taken by Hamas.  And, as you know, we are working very hard to get that hostage deal so that we can bring hostages home, including those American hostages, create a situation where we have a ceasefire — right? — so more humanitarian aid can go through.  

That is incredibly important.  We’re doing — we’re working around the clock to get that done.  

You saw Secretary Blinken in the region, meeting with regional partners.  And so, that is certainly a priority and continues to be a priority for us.  

Our commitment to Israel’s security is ironclad, as I’ve said and we’ve said many times.  They live in a tough neighborhood.  And we saw what Iran did, right?  They tried — they — they launched missiles and drones into Israel.  And it wasn’t just us that stepped in.  It was leaders in the region that stepped in to make sure that they — they were able to defend themselves at that time.  

And so, we want to get that hostage deal.  That’s what we want to see.  We want to make sure that — that innocent Palestinian lives are protected.  That’s why we’re looking into the Rafah operations and having those conversations.

But getting that hostage deal is so critical to bring hostages home, to get that humanitarian — more humanitarian aid in and to have a ceasefire.  And we are committed to doing that.  And you see that from this President.

Go ahead.  

Q    Thank you, Karine.  You said that the U.S. has been clear about concerns about invading Rafah.  Has it been clear about potential consequences if Israel moves forward?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Look, I’m not going to go into — I’m not going to go into speculations or what consequences might be.  Our co- — we’ve made our concerns publicly and privately to the Israeli government.  

I just mentioned the — the President had a conversation with the Prime Minister in his last — in his last call with him and Rafah operations came up.  

I’m not going to go into specifics.  I’m not going to go into details.  

We have been very clear.  There are 1.5 million Palestinians who have — who are seeking refuge in — in Rafah, and we want to make sure those lives are protected, understanding that Israel needs to also defend itself and having those Hamas operators there — we understand that they want to dismantle Hamas, and I understand that — we understand that is a priority, obviously.  And we are — we are — we — we certainly appreciate that.  

We also want to make sure that those 1.5 million lives — Palestinian lives who are seeking refuge there are protected.  And we believe there’s a way to do that.  And we’re going to have those conversations.  

I’m not going to get into specifics from here.  

Q    Look, I know you said that you don’t want to get into specifics, but just want to make sure we —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Well —

Q    — we understand you and we’re clear.  You did say that Israel has not provided a comprehensive plan to invade Rafah.  However, our reporting and reporting of some others —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Yeah.

Q    — has suggested that they have briefed the White House on a plan.  So, what you’re saying — by not saying “comprehensive” —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Yeah.

Q    — you’re saying that you have a plan, but you just don’t think it’s good enough.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  What I can say is that they have certainly — there’s been conversations that have happened over the last two virtual meetings.  And what I can say is we have been clear in our position.  We continue to be clear on our position.  We’ve expressed our concerns with a major ground invasion in Rafah — we’ve been very clear about that — which would have significant risk against civilian casualties and outlined — and outlined an alternative course of action.  We have done that for them: outlined an alternative course of action for Israel to dismantle Hamas.  

So, you can imagine, you know, that there’s been some back-and-forth on that.  And so, you know, we believe Israel will take our concerns on board, they will take our accounts into consideration as they plan their — their next operations.  And so, we’re continuing to have these conversations.  We’ll continue to have those conversations.

Q    Could this be a tactic on the part of Israel to try and pressure Hamas to take the deal?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  That is — that’s literally something for Israel to speak to.  I cannot — I cannot speak to their tactics.  I cannot speak to their plan.  

I will say and reiterate that — that we are working very hard to get a hostage deal, obviously.  And actually, what I will say is that Hamas has that deal.  That is on the table.  They need to take that deal.  

And — and you’ve seen us — you’ve seen us be very clear about that.  You’ve heard from the Secretary Blinken this week.  

And so, we need that hostage deal so that we can — that could lead us to a ceasefire that can get those hostages home, including American hostages.  And so, we think it’s important to get that done.  

But there is a — there is a hostage deal.  It’s on the table.  Hamas needs to take it.

Q    On a separate topic — well, sort of a similar topic.  

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Yeah.

Q    But one of the recipients today of the Presidential Medal of Freedom will be Congressman Jim Clyburn.  He had some comments earlier today where he agreed with Senator Bernie Sanders’s assertion that the Israel-Hamas war is President — could be President Biden’s Vietnam.  What’s your response to that? 

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  So, look, a couple of things.  I want to be super careful because that’s kind of leading into a campaign space, so I want to be really mindful on how — what I say.  And a couple of things that, you know, I did think through on those — on this — knowing we’d probably get this potential question.  

Look, Joe Biden ended the longest war in American history and just succeeded in convincing both parties in Congress to make crucial investments in our national security in Ukraine to help ensure we won’t be drawn into conflict in Europe.  And that is the President’s leadership that you have seen.  Right?  And that is one of the reasons he’s been able to bring NATO together in a way that we have not seen before.  

And — and obviously, one of the reasons we had to do that is because we had to make sure that Putin didn’t succeed.  He didn’t succeed.  And — and so, the President has been taking action, obviously, on that for the past more than two years.  

You heard him say yesterday — he reiterated values that being — that being us, together, we have the right to dissent, right?  But it must be peaceful.  It must be peaceful.  And antisemitimi- — and antisemitism is horrid.  It is — it is — it is hate speech, and we should treat it as hate speech.  

And there is overwhelming support for his agenda, whether it’s having, you know, rich special interests pay their fair share — if you think about what the President has been fighting for, especially dealing with Congress, making sure that the billionaires and corporations pay their fair share and making sure that we’re building an economy that helps everyone, that doesn’t leave anyone behind.  

And so, we’ve — you’ve heard him talk about that — beating Big Pharma, lowering healthcare costs, making sure that we move forward with his student debt relief.  

And so, those are things that the President — and those agendas are incredibly popular.  And so, he’s going to continue to do that work.  

And obviously, Congressman Clyburn is someone that he truly respects — we all respect.  And — and so, just, you know, want to — want to be mindful because it’s connected to — connected to a campaign-related question.

But this is a president who has taken action to make sure that he does everything, you know, on behalf of — that’s right, whether it’s national security or moving forward with domestic policies that the American people want us to move forward on.  

Q    So, the White House disagrees with that characterization.  

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Look, I think I just laid out what we believe we have been able to accomplish here in the more than three years in this administration.  I think they have their opinions, and they’re allowed to their opinions.  And — and we respect — we respect what — their opinions on this.

Go ahead.

Q    Does the U.S. believe that a Rafah operation is imminent?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  That’s something for Israel to speak to.  What I can say is we’ve made our concerns very clear, publicly and privately.  We’ve had two — two virtual conversations that have been led by the National Security Advisor, as you know, Jake Sullivan.  He was here last week talk- — speaking to this.  

We are going to continue to be very, very clear on where we stand about — on this and our concerns for innocent civilian lives — more than 1 million innocent civilian lives that are now in Rafah that are seeking ref- — refuge there.  

I can’t speak to a timeline.  That is certainly for Israel to speak to.  What we will say is we’ve made our concerns very, very clear.

Q    The deadline for the administration to report to Congress on whether Israel is abiding by international law — that is next Wednesday.  Do you know if the President himself has made a personal decision on that or has a personal view on that at this point?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Nothing to read out at this time.

Q    And just on another topic.  The speech that he’s giving on Tuesday for the Holocaust Memorial Museum — can you give us a sense of how he is preparing for that, how the team is preparing for that? 

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  So, let me just say a couple of things here.  And you’ve heard us say many times before and we’ll continue to underscore how fighting antisemitism is at the cor- — at the core — at the core of who this President is.

He has — he was moved to run by the grotesque display of antisemitism in Charlottesville, as you all know and covered — some of you covered back in 2017.  

And like I mentioned on Monday, he will deliver the keynote address at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum annual Days of Remembrance Cerem- — Ceremony.

During the Days of Remembrance, we remember the — we remember and mourn the 6 million Jews who were systematically murdered by the Nazis and their collaborators during World War Two.  

The President will discuss our moral duty to combat the rising scourge of antisemitism and the Biden-Harris administration’s work to implementing the first-ever national strategy counter anti- — antisemitism to make real the promise of never, ever, ever again.  

This is — when it comes to speeches, important, big moments like this, the President obviously takes this very seriously.  He knows that this is going to be an important moment for the country to hear from him.  And I don’t have anything beyond what I just shared.

Q    The — the focus of this speech will obviously be, as you said, the Holocaust survivors, antisemitism.  Given just everything that’s going on, does the President believe that it would be appropriate to also address in the speech the pro-Palestinian protesters and their sentiment?  Or does he believe that that should be —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  So, I’m going to be —

Q    — for a different setting?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  — super mindful.  I’m not going to — I — as I say many times, I’m not going to get ahead of the President.  This speech is, you know, in — in process.  And so, I’m going to let the President think through what exactly that he wants to share with the American people.  

Obviously, as I just stated at the beginning of — of my answer to you, you know, fighting antisemitism is at the core of this President.  And we have seen a rise in antisemitism.  And we want to make sure that we make it very clear that it is hate speech.  It is abhorrent.  And so, certainly, you’ll hear from the President very, very clearly on Tuesday.  And certainly, he’ll share more.

Go ahead.


Q    Thanks, Karine.  The International Court — Criminal Court prosecutor issued a statement today warning against the, quote, “threats” and attempts to intimidate the court over his work.  That comes after reports that both Israel and — and some people — there are some members of Congress that warned of retaliation against the ICC if it charges Israeli officials.  I just wanted to get your reaction to that and, you know —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Yeah.

Q    — as to whether the — you know, the White House would back retaliation against the ICC for — for charges against Israeli officials.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  So, we obviously oppose any threats or intimidation to public officials that — including ICC officials.  So, obviously, we’re going to be always mindful and be very clear about opposing any type of a threats or attempts to intimidate.  That is something that you’ll hear from us pretty consistently.  

But we’ve been clear.  I was asked about this — this particular investigation by ICC a couple of days ago.  We do not support it.  We do not support this investigative probe.  We do not believe it’s within their jurisdiction.  We’ve been very clear about that.  And that obviously still remains.  

I’m going to be really — you’re asking me about what could be next and if we would — if we would weigh in if they were to move forward.  I’m not going to get into hypotheticals from here.  But we’ve been very clear.  We oppose this — this investigation, and we do not believe it’s within their jurisdiction.

Go ahead.

Q    Yes, thanks, Karine.  The President was very clear in condemning violence at the protests.  But does he believe that any of the issues that are being raised by the protesters across campuses is legitimate?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  What’s the specif- — can you tell me the specific issues that you’re hearing?  

Q    Like, for instance, solidarity with the victims, the ceasefire, the request for more aid, “Free Palestine” chants — does he believes that any of the things that these protesters are manifesting for is legitimate?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Well, let — can — can I just speak to the things that I understand you to lay out.  As it relates to ceasefire, the President is pushing for a hostage deal, which would lead to a ceasefire.  The — and if you have a ceasefire — this hostage deal — it would create an environment to get more humanitarian aid into Gaza.  

And you saw Secretary Blinken in the region.  Just the other day, he did a press conference in Israel and he talked about the increased effort that we have ta- — undertaken to get more humanitarian — to get more trucks into Gaza.  

And so, we have seen an uptick.  And so, we want to continue to see that.  But we have to see this hostage deal.  So, get to a ceasefire, get more humanitarian aid.  

We understand the dire situation that the Palestinian Americans are — pardon me, the Palestinian citizens — pardon me — are — are dealing with right now.  And so, we want to make sure that we get humanitarian aid in.

Q    But what about the — the requests from these protestors from universities to divest —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  We do not —

Q    — in Israel —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  That is — that is —

Q    — or — or to stop sending weapons to Israel?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  I was asked this question, and we do not support that.  

Go ahead, Adam.


Q    Thank you.  A few things.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  A few things?  No, just one.  (Laughter.)

Q    Don’t make me pick.  (Laughter.)

So, in the President’s remarks yesterday, he was talking about Islamophobia on campuses.  

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Yeah.

Q    Lately, we’ve been seeing a lot of vile, antisemitic —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Yeah.

Q    — rhetoric on campuses.  Does he think Islamophobia is just as big of a problem on campus as antisemitism?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  The President is always going to call out all forms of hate — always.  And he had an opportunity to speak to the country.  And we have seen what’s been going on on these campuses.  

Americans have the right to peacefully protest within — within the law, as we have said.  It is our — it’s part of who we are as a country, as — when we talk about our freedoms, our democracy — to disagree and agree with each other, even about this war.  It is our right to do so.  It is right for folks to do so.

You’ve got to do it peacefully.  You’ve got to do it within the law.  

And we have seen the antisemitism, and we have called that out over and over and over again.  And we’ve seen a spike in antisemitism.  

The President has been very forceful about that.  He talked about his plan to counter antisemitism.  He had an opportunity, as he’s talking to the country — the world, really — on what has been happening across the country on college campuses — to call out antisemitism, to say that Americans have the right to peacefully protest.  

And we also have to call out all forms of hate.  I think — I believe — and I hope you would agree, Peter — that’s an important thing for this President to do if he has the opportunity to do that.  When the President speaks, people listen.

Q    Something else that had somehow slipped my mind —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  How is that — 

Q    — over the last couple weeks.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Oh, goodness.  (Laughter.)

Q    You are an alumna of Columbia University.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Wow, that’s a shocker.  (Laughter.)

Q    Well, you — in all the talking about it —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Yeah.

Q    — you haven’t brought it up.  You told Columbia students a few years back —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Yeah.

Q    — “Don’t lose the idealism that you have.”  So, what do you tell them now?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Oh, you did — you did some research.  Oh, my gosh.  (Laughter.)

Q    All I do is research and just hope that you call on me.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  You did — (laughs).  You did some —

Q    But now, I — what do you tell the —

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  I mean, look —

Q    — the students — 

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Look —

Q    — who have followed in your footsteps?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Look, I mean — look, going to be — oh, and that’s actually going to be a great segue to — to the student re- — student journalist that we have in the room, Danie, after I answer this question.

Q    I do have one more after that.  (Laughter.)  Sorry, Danie.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  It’s okay.  

So, look, I’m not speaking on behalf of me.  I’m — I’m not.  I speak on behalf of this President.  That’s my job.  And I believe in this President.  I believe in the work that we do.  It is an honor and a privilege to stand at this lectern every day to speak to you and all your colleagues and to take your questions.  It is not about me.  

And, really, your question and what you’re asking me and — and what I have said to students is pretty much what the President has said: All Americans have the right to peacefully protest within the law.  They have to — we have the right.  

That’s what makes this country so great, right?  That’s what makes what — when we’re talking about our freedoms, our democracy, that’s what’s so important.  The — to have the opportunity to agree and disagree and do it in a peaceful way — in a peaceful way, that’s important.  

And the President also called out — if you’re — if you are breaking and entering and you’re taking over buildings, that is not peacefully protesting.  And the President was very clear about calling that out as well and also antisemitism and calling it what it is.  It is hate speech.

Q    My last one.  At UNC-Chapel Hill this week, a group of fraternity brothers saved an American flag from an angry mob of protesters.  There is now a GoFundMe where people can donate to throw them a rager.  It has raised more than half a million dollars.  Would President Biden donate?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  You never disappoint, my friend.  (Laughter.)  

Q    He donates to a lot of — 

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  You never disappoint.

Q    — different causes.  We saw it in his tax returns.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  I’ll say this, because this — there is a — there is actually a real — a real point in your question that I will address, which is — and — and I — you know, just to reiterate what we’ve said over and over again: Americans have — and I just said this moments ago, so I’ll just reiterate this — all Americans have the — the right to peacefully protest.

It is not right to forceful- — forcefully take down the American flag to replace it with another flag.  It is not right.  And so — and so, I just wanted to — to make that clear as well.  All right, Peter?

Q    So, a donation — what about, like, a call to thank them for saving the flag?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Look, protecting the American flag is admirable.  I’ll leave it there, Peter.


Q    Thanks, Karine.  Just to follow up on the press freedom executive actions that you mentioned.  Is there anything we can expect aimed at Russia in response to Evan? 

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  So, as you know, we’re going to be announcing some executive action shortly.  Don’t want to — certainly don’t want to get ahead of that.  So, once we — in the next couple of weeks, we’ll have more — we’ll m- — we’ll have more to share.  Don’t have anything at this time.  But we’re working through that.  

And we think it’s really important.  We think it’s really important to continue to take action.  A free and independent media is critical, as I just took a question from a high school — a future general- — journalist — who’s a journalist now, obviously, at her high school.  And it is vital to our global security.  

We appreciate the work that journalists do every day.  And it is some of — some journalists, many journalists put their lives at risk, put their lives at stake.  

All right.  Thanks, everybody.  

And so — and you hear me say this before, journalists are not the enemy and they should be protected.  And freedom of the press — what we do here every day, it is — it is a — an exercise of the freedom of the press.  And so, we want to make sure that that continues, not just here but, obviously, globally.  
Q    Thanks, Karine.

MS. JEAN-PIERRE:  Have a great weekend.  

2:46 P.M. EDT

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

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May 21, 2019

Excelzior posted:

you can't trick me I ain't reading that

I started out trying to grab the really bad parts but it was impossible to choose, I just left out stuff about taxes and abortion

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