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FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Rubber Chicken posted:

He was microwaving fish
Death penalty

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Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
He clipped his toenails at his desk

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006
Ignoring the ‘original character’ comment as either a misunderstanding or a red herring, because I don’t think they’d waste Esposito on a newly invented character, I think he’d make an okay Doom, provided he hammed it up appropriately and didn’t play the same version of the same character he’s been playing since breaking bad

Defiance Industries
Jul 22, 2010

A five-star manufacturer


KurdtLives posted:

I work in local TV News you're not that wrong

Newspaper journalist here, if I quit drinking the cumulative hangover will kill me.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

The Grumbles posted:

Ignoring the ‘original character’ comment as either a misunderstanding or a red herring, because I don’t think they’d waste Esposito on a newly invented character, I think he’d make an okay Doom, provided he hammed it up appropriately and didn’t play the same version of the same character he’s been playing since breaking bad

Marvel wastes good actors in incidental parts all the time invented or not

ConanThe3rd
Mar 27, 2009
X-men ep 8 - Yaknow, it took a second pass for me to realise that none of the people at Roberto's mother's party were part of the Sentinel Prime Legion for the simple reason that they too rich to care about any (imagined) mutant threat. They had no reason to submit to the process.

ConanThe3rd fucked around with this message at 19:20 on May 4, 2024

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
the mod team violated the sancity of my avatar

ConanThe3rd posted:

X-men ep 8 - Yaknow, it took a second pass for me to realise that none of the people at Roberto's mother's party were part of the Sentinel Prime Legion for the simple reason that they too rich to care about any (imagined) mutant threat. They had no reason to submit to the process.

That is a worthy observation.

Rhonne
Feb 13, 2012

I wonder how many unrelated super villain plans got ruined by Magneto's big EMP attack? Awful lot of useless death lasers out there right now. Green Goblin would he dead if he was flying around New York when this happened.

ConanThe3rd
Mar 27, 2009

Rhonne posted:

I wonder how many unrelated super villain plans got ruined by Magneto's big EMP attack? Awful lot of useless death lasers out there right now. Green Goblin would he dead if he was flying around New York when this happened.

Isn't he Out of Commission? I might be misremembering but didn't he get portal'd during that whole "Death Sending to another Dimention of Gween Stacy Mary Jane" business?

logger
Jun 28, 2008

...and in what manner the Ancyent Marinere came back to his own Country.
Soiled Meat

Rhonne posted:

I wonder how many unrelated super villain plans got ruined by Magneto's big EMP attack? Awful lot of useless death lasers out there right now. Green Goblin would he dead if he was flying around New York when this happened.

Forget the villains. They now need to get to work on holding the funeral for Tony Stark.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



logger posted:

Forget the villains. They now need to get to work on holding the funeral for Tony Stark.

Wow I totally forgot about that. I remember now in Spiderman TAS for some reason his suit stops working and he's basically crippled and helplEss without it. At least that's my memory of the big arc with Spidey and Stark and Cap and The Beyonder.

(Maybe this is always the case, I have no knowledge of Iron Man. But Charles Xavier periodically can walk again in the comics so I assume Stark also varies)

P.S.

Related, I know that stuff with the Beyonder is based on a comic. In the comic when Doom takes his power, is he eventually thwarted by his own weaknesses? In Spiderman TAS Doom's mind just can't handle having so much power, his every neurosis and simple human weakness does him in. I'm just curious now cuz I was told the whole "Symbiote drives you crazy idea" originated with TAS and I'm now curious what else it might have invented.

Sentinel Red
Nov 13, 2007
Style > Content.
By this point I'd imagine Tony's invented tech that is shielded/immune to EMP fuckery, he's probably fine and/or drunk.

KurdtLives
Dec 22, 2004

Ladies and She-Hulks can't resist Murdock's Big Hallway Energy

Defiance Industries posted:

Newspaper journalist here, if I quit drinking the cumulative hangover will kill me.

On behalf of understaffed tv newsrooms/intellectually lazy managers thank you for doing half of our leg work for us

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Stark can generally move out of his armour fine. Though if his armour shut down while he was in it, he probably wouldn’t be able to move.

Still I agree he would probably have EMP protection.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



I’m assuming when he got upgraded to the Extremis armor he was probably immune to EMP stuff

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

The Grumbles posted:

Ignoring the ‘original character’ comment as either a misunderstanding or a red herring, because I don’t think they’d waste Esposito on a newly invented character, I think he’d make an okay Doom, provided he hammed it up appropriately and didn’t play the same version of the same character he’s been playing since breaking bad

I wonder how he'd feel about the aspect of 'guy using native magic in an attempt to wizard his dead mother back to life' in this casting

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
I presume people are forgetting that the various Marvel cartoons in the mid 90s had a loose shared universe, meaning that it's not the MCU Stark in 97, it'd be this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y63i2NR9-LE

And he had a whole chest plate thing that kept his damaged heart going, so an EMP might gently caress him up, IIRC

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

Gaz-L posted:

I presume people are forgetting that the various Marvel cartoons in the mid 90s had a loose shared universe, meaning that it's not the MCU Stark in 97, it'd be this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y63i2NR9-LE

And he had a whole chest plate thing that kept his damaged heart going, so an EMP might gently caress him up, IIRC

that's just Forge, you can't fool me

Onomarchus
Jun 4, 2005

I cried.

Desperado Bones
Aug 29, 2009

Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!


Gaz-L posted:

I presume people are forgetting that the various Marvel cartoons in the mid 90s had a loose shared universe, meaning that it's not the MCU Stark in 97, it'd be this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y63i2NR9-LE

And he had a whole chest plate thing that kept his damaged heart going, so an EMP might gently caress him up, IIRC

I used to watch that A LOT. I think aside from FF, there was a Hulk one?
And Ghost Rider used to show up all over the place.

God, I want mullet Tony Stark and Ghost Rider to make cameos, please.

DiscoJ
Jun 23, 2003

Ghost Rider was amazing in FF:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx8ob0BAkOs

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Is there a more perfect voice for Galactus than the late great Tony Jay?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amUJOeuxpXE

I remember he was Baron Mordo in a couple eps of Spiderman TAS, too. Strange he was Mordo and not Dormammu but oh well.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Ghost Rider was planned for a series but it fell through.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Gaz-L posted:

I presume people are forgetting that the various Marvel cartoons in the mid 90s had a loose shared universe, meaning that it's not the MCU Stark in 97, it'd be this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y63i2NR9-LE

And he had a whole chest plate thing that kept his damaged heart going, so an EMP might gently caress him up, IIRC

MCU would have been better if RDJ used this line delivery for I am Iron Man

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

NikkolasKing posted:



P.S.

Related, I know that stuff with the Beyonder is based on a comic. In the comic when Doom takes his power, is he eventually thwarted by his own weaknesses? In Spiderman TAS Doom's mind just can't handle having so much power, his every neurosis and simple human weakness does him in. I'm just curious now cuz I was told the whole "Symbiote drives you crazy idea" originated with TAS and I'm now curious what else it might have invented.

Kind of. A small part of the Beyonder survived and got into Klaw and he was basically like Wormtongue. The more he made Doom use his powers the more Doom lost control.

Technowolf
Nov 4, 2009




Desperado Bones posted:

I used to watch that A LOT. I think aside from FF, there was a Hulk one?
And Ghost Rider used to show up all over the place.

God, I want mullet Tony Stark and Ghost Rider to make cameos, please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyQpEoMFF3w

notthegoatseguy
Sep 6, 2005


God that intro sequence is awesome. Hulk is actually like a threat, a monster, you don't know if he's going to be a hero or he's going to just rampage through it all.

Not that I don't enjoy the MCU version but I'd love to have a more horror-based Hulk film.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


notthegoatseguy posted:

God that intro sequence is awesome. Hulk is actually like a threat, a monster, you don't know if he's going to be a hero or he's going to just rampage through it all.

Not that I don't enjoy the MCU version but I'd love to have a more horror-based Hulk film.

I think you could do Immortal Hulk as a series.

Teek
Aug 7, 2006

I can't wait to entertain you.

Gaz-L posted:

I presume people are forgetting that the various Marvel cartoons in the mid 90s had a loose shared universe, meaning that it's not the MCU Stark in 97, it'd be this guy:

Got recommended a channel of a guy who attempted to chronologically lay out the timeline for the original X-men series and ‘97 up to episode 7, which seems like a head ache waiting to happen. Anyway, he mentioned the 90s Marvel animated mini-verse too, but did also say Bill Clinton was president in most of those other shows, while it was Kelly in X-men. So I’m not sure how tied together Marvel is going to try to make these, if at all. I know the 90s shows shared universe has been bandied about of recent from the production team. Was the president ever brought up in the Spider-Man series? It seems like the series that’s most clearly connected to X-men from what I gather.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

notthegoatseguy posted:

God that intro sequence is awesome. Hulk is actually like a threat, a monster, you don't know if he's going to be a hero or he's going to just rampage through it all.

Not that I don't enjoy the MCU version but I'd love to have a more horror-based Hulk film.

My favourite little tidbit about that Hulk series: Neal McDonough voiced Banner. Yes, that Neal McDonough.

Hulk, Fantastic Four and Iron Man all got retooled in their second seasons. The latter two resulting in much better animation and writing (Iron Man dropped the short lived Force Works team and instead adapted Armor Wars, and FF just tweaked it's tone to be a bit more kind of retro), and Hulk... well... I hesitate to say it was a downgrade, as I dearly love that they brought in She-Hulk and Cree Summer does a great job as Jen, but it was a marked shift in tone from the more traditional Hulk on the run stories the first season stuck to.

Teek posted:

Got recommended a channel of a guy who attempted to chronologically lay out the timeline for the original X-men series and ‘97 up to episode 7, which seems like a head ache waiting to happen. Anyway, he mentioned the 90s Marvel animated mini-verse too, but did also say Bill Clinton was president in most of those other shows, while it was Kelly in X-men. So I’m not sure how tied together Marvel is going to try to make these, if at all. I know the 90s shows shared universe has been bandied about of recent from the production team. Was the president ever brought up in the Spider-Man series? It seems like the series that’s most clearly connected to X-men from what I gather.

It definitely wasn't thought out even to the extent that the DCAU was in the early days (and even that didn't really get codified until Justice League, see the appearances of Green Lantern and Flash in Superman TAS), it was more that if Iron Man or Storm appeared in Spider-Man, then they'd be voiced by the same actors as in their shows, have the same designs and same personalities, broadly.

Gaz-L fucked around with this message at 02:07 on May 6, 2024

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


NikkolasKing posted:

Related, I know that stuff with the Beyonder is based on a comic. In the comic when Doom takes his power, is he eventually thwarted by his own weaknesses? In Spiderman TAS Doom's mind just can't handle having so much power, his every neurosis and simple human weakness does him in. I'm just curious now cuz I was told the whole "Symbiote drives you crazy idea" originated with TAS and I'm now curious what else it might have invented.

Codependent Poster posted:

Kind of. A small part of the Beyonder survived and got into Klaw and he was basically like Wormtongue. The more he made Doom use his powers the more Doom lost control.

Yeah. Doom killed the heroes, but Beyonder-as-Klaw wondered to him if there was a way they could have survived, which got in Doom's head and caused him to create a scenario where they were still alive.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






Teek posted:

Got recommended a channel of a guy who attempted to chronologically lay out the timeline for the original X-men series and ‘97 up to episode 7, which seems like a head ache waiting to happen. Anyway, he mentioned the 90s Marvel animated mini-verse too, but did also say Bill Clinton was president in most of those other shows, while it was Kelly in X-men. So I’m not sure how tied together Marvel is going to try to make these, if at all. I know the 90s shows shared universe has been bandied about of recent from the production team. Was the president ever brought up in the Spider-Man series? It seems like the series that’s most clearly connected to X-men from what I gather.

That kind of ultra-granular continuity should neither be expected nor respected, it's the most trivial of handwaves.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


Yvonmukluk posted:

I think you could do Immortal Hulk as a series.

You could definitely do a Hulk series with body horror, existential dread, the green door etc, but the thing that made Immortal Hulk truly special was that it drew on over 600 issues of history and brought pretty much every member of the gamma family back into a single shared story. An adaptation would necessarily need to cut a lot of that - although X Men 97 is rattling through plots about as fast as Ewing did in Hulk, so maybe I'm wrong.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Codependent Poster posted:

Kind of. A small part of the Beyonder survived and got into Klaw and he was basically like Wormtongue. The more he made Doom use his powers the more Doom lost control.

Gavok posted:

Yeah. Doom killed the heroes, but Beyonder-as-Klaw wondered to him if there was a way they could have survived, which got in Doom's head and caused him to create a scenario where they were still alive.

I see, thank you both for the information.

I don't know anything about Doom or the F4, really. What I do know is from Spiderman TAS and conversations about this last episode. Some people online are expressing incredulity Doom would ever work with a guy like Bastion. He's apparently of Roma descent and would be as opposed to working with him as Magneto has been wih Red Skull in the comics is the argument I've read. Basically, fans insist that, while he's a villain, he's not a super evil one, but more of a Magneto type.

And in Spiderman TAS, he changes Thing back into normal human looking Ben Grimm and then promises Ben not to kill any of the heroes, just teleports them away with the Beyonder's power. So he seemed like a decent enough guy so far as these things go. Of course Beyonder will recruited him for Team Evil so I dunno.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Doom's weird. He has both standards and does not.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Why would Doom care about a guy messing with mutants

I could absolutely see him supporting that

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


FlamingLiberal posted:

Why would Doom care about a guy messing with mutants

I could absolutely see him supporting that

He'd only care if they were Latverian mutants.

Burginator
Sep 10, 2007

Two ALL BEEF patties,
Special Sauce?
Let Us Cheese.
Doom cares about 3 things and 3 things only:
Making Richards look like an idiot
Latverian citizens
Doom

Usually in that order

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Burginator posted:

Doom cares about 3 things and 3 things only:
Making Richards look like an idiot
Latverian citizens
Doom

Usually in that order

Caveat: So long as the Latverian citizens are blindly obedient to him, and constantly presenting as happy and content

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MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Reminds me of this page from the new crossover blood hunt



Apparently trespassing on Latveria makes you a citizen.

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