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r u ready to WALK
Sep 29, 2001

falz posted:

That was insane. Like, how. This message with quote is 225 bytes.

Hopefully there will be a writeup explaining some of how it's done like there is for https://www.linusakesson.net/scene/a-mind-is-born/index.php

You are allowed to call system APIs and firmware so I wonder if they base the geometry on some predictable blob of data somewhere or if it's all self contained in those 256 bytes.

Computers are really good at recursion!

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Coffee Jones
Jul 4, 2004

16 bit? Back when we was kids we only got a single bit on Christmas, as a treat
And we had to share it!

quote:

Hopefully there will be a writeup explaining some of how it's done like there is

Somebody REALLY knows their fractals,

You Am I posted:

Commodore Plus/4

I had to look at the Plus/4 was about - looks like a cut down "Business Oriented" C64 without hardware sprites but increased color depth. Looking at a few demos, they make a lot of use out of palette animation, playing to the hardware's strengths.


Always wild to have demos that have effects on hardware that have no business doing what they do.
Like this commodore PET demo providing "3d animations" by manipulating petscii - guess swapping out characters on a screen is very fast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cznyKsOl3po

I guess that's the same thing happening here in this C64 demo - petscii animation simulating voxels. Commercial games of the time never come close to the sheer style these demos have
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8onlB0F1_A&t=311s

I keep forgetting how truly limited the apple II series was in the graphics department.

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

Also you're a skeleton warrior now. Kree.
Unlockable Ben
Demos can cheat in all kinds of ways that games can’t.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

hyphz posted:

Demos can cheat in all kinds of ways that games can’t.

Only registered members can see post attachments!

tango alpha delta
Sep 9, 2011

Ask me about my wealthy lifestyle and passive income! I love bragging about my wealth to my lessers! My opinions are more valid because I have more money than you! Stealing the fruits of the labor of the working class is okay, so long as you don't do it using crypto. More money = better than!

falz posted:

That was insane. Like, how. This message with quote is 225 bytes.

Everything is procedural. The code that makes up the program is actually instructions on how to create everything you see and hear, which requires a TON of planning.

Buffis
Apr 29, 2006

I paid for this
Fallen Rib
fixing up an amiga 1200 i bought to be a bit nicer



Did a recap, installed a CF IDE adapter. Was meaning to put in a gotek, but found it ugly compared to the regular floppy so I'll rig up some external adapter for that instead.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Aw heck someone was asking about the money cheat for Ghostbusters. Was it LM and LM102030?

Hippie Hedgehog
Feb 19, 2007

Ever cuddled a hedgehog?

Coffee Jones posted:

Revision Demoparty 2024 was this easter weekend in Saarbrücken, Germany - and it seems they're better about putting video coverage online
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNqQO7lFY6dms3bvrmG6AqJ-wkfE5Tinr

Since this is the retro computer thread - Here's "Oldskool Demo" - 8 and 16 bit systems
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad_qRmlFafA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad_qRmlFafA&t=647s - here's an NES demo. If I was blindfolded I don't think I could tell the difference between C64 SID music and NES music 80% of the time.

That team certainly did their best to make it sound like a C64! Good show. One giveaway though: the NES sound chip doesn’t have a filtering component, so it can’t emulate the frequency filter sweeps that are common in SID music.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Buffis posted:

fixing up an amiga 1200 i bought to be a bit nicer



Did a recap, installed a CF IDE adapter. Was meaning to put in a gotek, but found it ugly compared to the regular floppy so I'll rig up some external adapter for that instead.

Tidy looking 1200. Are you planning on putting a PiStorm32 into it?

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


You Am I posted:

Tidy looking 1200. Are you planning on putting a PiStorm32 into it?

E-emul-emulation?? On my beautiful stock hardware!? Replacing my godly Commodore CPU design?? You sick monster. You freak. I don't even know you.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Raspberry Pis and FPGAs are the most boring thing you can put in a computre. Basically a fedora for your hardware.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Saoshyant posted:

E-emul-emulation?? On my beautiful stock hardware!? Replacing my godly Motorola CPU design?? You sick monster. You freak. I don't even know you.

yeah you wouldn't want to give up that highly unique 68k processor

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Old processors are cool and good. Just emulate the whole machine if you’re gonna emulate the CPU

Buffis
Apr 29, 2006

I paid for this
Fallen Rib

You Am I posted:

Tidy looking 1200. Are you planning on putting a PiStorm32 into it?

Nha, just a cf ide adapter and some fastram.

Considered internal gotek but it looked ugly so will 3dprint an enclosure and hook that up as a secondary floppy drive.

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



Did they ever make a Gotek that uses SD cards instead of USB storage? That would help a lot on the ugliness.

Buffis
Apr 29, 2006

I paid for this
Fallen Rib

nielsm posted:

Did they ever make a Gotek that uses SD cards instead of USB storage? That would help a lot on the ugliness.

Dunno, this page has a pic that looks the same as it did in mine.
https://www.retronerd.co.uk/product/amiga-600-gotek-drive-base/

Looks loving awful so reverted back to using a floppy drive.

And I mean... being able to use actual floppies still is pretty neat, and I can always use an external gotek + internal hdd.

Buffis
Apr 29, 2006

I paid for this
Fallen Rib
Also got this nice RAM Upgrade + MIDI expansion board for my X68000 this week.
It's been a good week.


falz
Jan 29, 2005

01100110 01100001 01101100 01111010

falz posted:

Hoping someone here ran in to this - the CMOS battery is dead on my mobo, it's an "Odin OEC12C887A" It's this one

https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/biostar-mb-8500tac-a-ver.-5

Fortunately per notes on that page, someone made a mondern replacement, but it comes in two "packages"

* https://github.com/necroware/nwX287 "SO-24" (although this info is on the 2nd link.
* https://github.com/necroware/nw12887 "this project was made for the SSOP-24 version of the RTC IC"

For the life of me I cannot determine which of those two my original bios is and they sure look pretty similar. Anyone able to hit me with a clue bat?

Following up with myself with a different non physical idea.

Anyone aware of BIOS hacks for old computers? I saw some for award bios (superior to ami in every way)

Basically couldn't I hack the bios by flashing it with something that lets me bypass the "must enter bios with bad clock" screen?

I realize this is a chicken egg problem but still curious. Even replacing bios with this is probably easier than replacing battery.

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



falz posted:

Following up with myself with a different non physical idea.

Anyone aware of BIOS hacks for old computers? I saw some for award bios (superior to ami in every way)

Basically couldn't I hack the bios by flashing it with something that lets me bypass the "must enter bios with bad clock" screen?

I realize this is a chicken egg problem but still curious. Even replacing bios with this is probably easier than replacing battery.

Both of those Necroware projects have identical function, the difference is how they're assembled but either would be installed in your machine the same way.
If you buy any prebuilt Dallas RTC replacement you won't have to worry about those differences. For example: https://www.tindie.com/products/glitchwrks/gw-12887-1-dallas-ds12887-rtc-replacement-module/

If you wanted to replace your BIOS you'd need something to write an (E)EPROM as well as a compatible chip to write to, and of course a ROM image to write. It would be possible to hack a BIOS to not complain if the CMOS/RTC battery is dead and the memory erased/garbled, but consider that it usually stores more configuration than just the clock. You'd lose a lot of configurability for the system if you don't have a working CMOS/RTC.

nielsm fucked around with this message at 19:24 on May 4, 2024

LtDan
May 1, 2004


falz posted:

Following up with myself with a different non physical idea.

Anyone aware of BIOS hacks for old computers? I saw some for award bios (superior to ami in every way)

Basically couldn't I hack the bios by flashing it with something that lets me bypass the "must enter bios with bad clock" screen?

I realize this is a chicken egg problem but still curious. Even replacing bios with this is probably easier than replacing battery.

There might be a version of MR BIOS available for your board that might let you do that

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

falz posted:

Following up with myself with a different non physical idea.

Anyone aware of BIOS hacks for old computers? I saw some for award bios (superior to ami in every way)

Basically couldn't I hack the bios by flashing it with something that lets me bypass the "must enter bios with bad clock" screen?

I realize this is a chicken egg problem but still curious. Even replacing bios with this is probably easier than replacing battery.

You can do a lot of wild stuff but you really have to be careful. You can just mod them yourself. I used "Award BIOS Editor" I think. There's a lot of documentation for specific BIOSes out there that would be worth reading if you wanted to do it.

About 10 years ago I modded a bios on a laptop to enable some stuff. Somehow, some of the stuff I enabled that seemed completely unrelated to the keyboard or USB or any of that caused the keyboard and any other keyboard plugged in to just not work in Linux, communicating with the bios itself, and GRUB. It did work if it got into Windows though (don't remember how I figured that out) but I ended up trapped since I couldn't do anything with grub.

I could have taken the harddrive out and put it in another computer and make GRUB boot into Windows, but what I did was grab a harddrive from a Windows laptop, toss it in, get into Windows and flash a clean BIOS. That was the last time I modded a BIOS. I guess the point of this is you probably can mod a BIOS yourself to maybe do what you want but here be dragons.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

I'm having an issue getting an SD-to-IDE adapter to work on this AT board. It won't boot off a floppy if there's a partition on the SD card. If I wipe the SD card with diskpart it'll boot off the floppy and let me fdisk (and fdisk /mbr) it, but when I reboot it loads the floppy a bit and then hangs with the floppy light on.

The drive type settings seem normal:

Capacity: 8455 Mb
Cylinders: 16383
Heads: 16
Sectors: 63

Anything I can try?

I have a CF-to-IDE adapter in the mail. Maybe that'll work better.

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



How old is the BIOS on that board? Do you have any BIOS extensions (like XT-IDE) installed?
Because that's a quite large disk to offer to a old hardware.

F4rt5
May 20, 2006

nielsm posted:

How old is the BIOS on that board? Do you have any BIOS extensions (like XT-IDE) installed?
Because that's a quite large disk to offer to a old hardware.

Yeah anything over 512 MB is gonna need some sort of BIOS extension, like Conner did for the 540 MB drive I had when even a then-modern 486 couldn’t handle those extra megs.

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



Alternatively, consider finding a SCSI adapter for your computer and get a BlueSCSI or ZuluSCSI device. They're very convenient and give you a ton of flexibility.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

It’s dated 1994 and I can’t find any updates for this board.

I can cut the capacity down I think. I guess I figured if the bios could auto detect that capacity it should’ve been fine.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Yep - it was that easy. I just manually set the cylinder count so it reflected ~2000 MB and everything worked great after that.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

She lives!



Still have a few things to do before I button it up, like replace the PSU with one that’s not 30 years old and see if I can figure out how to mount the power switch properly so I don’t need to finesse it to power on.

Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 03:33 on May 12, 2024

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

That's a cool looking case. I only remember seeing Gateway stuff in Australia from around the PII era

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


Tiny Timbs posted:

She lives!


Congrats, looks pretty neat. What kind of PSU will you use as a replacement?


Tangentially related to Army Men, Ahoy made a mini-documentary about Cannon Fodder, Sensible, and the Amiga Power magazine of the era and the controversy they all got into with the British Foreign Legion of all things. Super interesting stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPnOVK1766E

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Is there any reason to play the Amiga version (which I don't have) over the IBM PC version (which I have)?

I have an Amiga 500 and have been thinking of actually doing something with it. But a lot of the times it boils down to "well it's actually as good or better on another system" or "it's too expensive".

E: I don't think Cannon Fodder is particularly expensive, which is why I'm considering it.

Captain Rufus
Sep 16, 2005

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3D Megadoodoo posted:

Is there any reason to play the Amiga version (which I don't have) over the IBM PC version (which I have)?

I have an Amiga 500 and have been thinking of actually doing something with it. But a lot of the times it boils down to "well it's actually as good or better on another system" or "it's too expensive".

E: I don't think Cannon Fodder is particularly expensive, which is why I'm considering it.

Generally the answer is no for VGA onwards. While a few games might have the odd bugs on PC or the insane color choices on Space Crusade for the most part there won't be many if any major differences. Possibly some 50 or 60hz shenanigans on ports to either PC or the 3 16 bit era consoles here and there ala the Genesis US Shadow of the Beast or Gods.

But in general the Amiga 500 is in the same space as the C64 in that if you own one or two of the other bigger platforms of the era you can kind of skip the machine and not miss too much at all, especially given how the Amiga only sold 4.75 million machines according to Wikipedia. It was functionally nonexistent in most of the world.

If you already have a machine or live in PAL regions they can be a fun project full of silly upgrades from Icomp.de and the like but if not? You can easily manage without one.

And sorry if I seem to not keep up with my own thread but I do read it I just don't post much. I did add a thing by request a few weeks back. I've just been in a god awful place mentally and have a weird aversion to posting as I want like a sub .5 post per day average anyhow. But know I'm still here and around.

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

3D Megadoodoo posted:

Is there any reason to play the Amiga version (which I don't have) over the IBM PC version (which I have)?
The Amiga version has better audio, with more sound effects and additional ambient audio during missions. The PC version has some minor graphical enhancements, and also apparently has an odd gameplay difference where only the squad leader gets credit for squad kills. Aside from that, they're much the same.

Hippie Hedgehog
Feb 19, 2007

Ever cuddled a hedgehog?
I recall some more games, like Lemmings 2, having more music, more samples etc on the Amiga. IBM compatibles just didn't have as good sound cards yet, for some time. By the time PC wavetable synthesis was commonplace, the Amiga was long dead as a format. If you're emulating, it comes down to whether you prefer low-res sampled 4-track tunes, or Soundblaster FM synthesis. (If you're playing Lemmings 2, don't forget to add 1 MB of chip memory to get the extended samples.)

As for graphics, as was stated, PC EGA looks worse than Amiga's 32 colors, usually, so you might prefer the Amiga version of some older stuff. But I can't think of any good examples.

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

Hippie Hedgehog posted:

I recall some more games, like Lemmings 2, having more music, more samples etc on the Amiga. IBM compatibles just didn't have as good sound cards yet, for some time. By the time PC wavetable synthesis was commonplace, the Amiga was long dead as a format. If you're emulating, it comes down to whether you prefer low-res sampled 4-track tunes, or Soundblaster FM synthesis. (If you're playing Lemmings 2, don't forget to add 1 MB of chip memory to get the extended samples.)

As for graphics, as was stated, PC EGA looks worse than Amiga's 32 colors, usually, so you might prefer the Amiga version of some older stuff. But I can't think of any good examples.
Lemmings 2 DOS is also a bit more of a pain to play since it has a copy-protection that locks out all but the first level of each tribe that only works properly on a FAT16 partition, so it can get a bit fiddly with needing to dig up cracks and/or specific DOSbox configurations, to say nothing of real hardware.

Buffis
Apr 29, 2006

I paid for this
Fallen Rib
Speaking of Amiga, finally finished my CD32 setup.
Did a full recap, put a Terriblefire 330 in it + Compact flash drive.
Works wonderfully now.

Hard to argue against CD32 as a gaming Amiga.



Screen is currently mirrored across the monitors. Will probably move the LCD elsewhere and just use the CRT on this desk later.

Chubby Henparty
Aug 13, 2007


Did lemmings 1 have the congrats photo and audio sample at the end on pc? (I only ever saw it on my friend's moment of victory on the amiga). That felt pretty amazing in that era, prior to mod music etc getting big.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

I could swear I owned a copy of Lemmings but I couldn't find it anywhere last night.

Not like the game's rare, it's just a weird lack of Lemmings.

e: Actually after posting that it occurred to me I might've confused it with Worms, which I do have in abundance.

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

3D Megadoodoo posted:

e: Actually after posting that it occurred to me I might've confused it with Worms, which I do have in abundance.
You should probably see a doctor.

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nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



Chubby Henparty posted:

Did lemmings 1 have the congrats photo and audio sample at the end on pc? (I only ever saw it on my friend's moment of victory on the amiga). That felt pretty amazing in that era, prior to mod music etc getting big.

I don't know if it did, but Lemmings 1 (and Oh No More Lemmings) on PC definitely did not have sampled sound, only PC Speaker sound effects or AdLib FM sound effects and music.

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