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This week's episode was probably my favorite Disco episode of the whole series, or at least a tie with the Harry Mudd one. In part because it works as a strong, very Trek-ish stand-alone episode, unlike most of the series, but it also linked into the season-long storyline. The point where they revealed the winner of the race got sacrificed to the gods was an "oh poo poo, I wasn't expecting that!" moment like one I haven't seen since SNW "Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach." And, as others on this thread have mentioned, a total lack of Moll & L'ak improved the episode and made it clear just how unnecessary they are to the storyline.
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A.o.D. posted:S2E10 Lower Decks "First First Contact" Oh that's such a good episode.
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May 6, 2024 02:41
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You're lucky I'm so spiritually centered or I'd snap!
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A.o.D. posted:S1E1 Lower Decks "Second Contact" Really, like half of Lower Decks loosely revolves around this concept.
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With the Federation being so spread out before the Burn there must be dozens of worlds that were on the verge of First Contact and then had that delayed by a century. Maybe a cool thread for them to pickup in the Academy series.Apollodorus posted:Don’t do the time crime if you can’t do the time crime time. Remember how many people in the future were immediately pissed at Discovery for having time traveled and it was said they needed to keep that aspect of their history hidden because Time Travel is so super duper illegal across all civilisations as a result of the wars? The Time Bug was a cool concept, but also in the 32nd century seems like it should be one of the worst possible crimes, getting everyone in the galaxy after the criminals.
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May 6, 2024 04:34
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Senor Tron posted:The Time Bug was a cool concept, but also in the 32nd century seems like it should be one of the worst possible crimes, getting everyone in the galaxy after the criminals. It probably is, but they are already under a death sentence. Having nothing left to lose is one of the problems with death sentences.
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The Last Call posted:I've always viewed TNG as being a time when the Federation and a lot of people in Star Fleet were kinda up their own rear end. They drank the kool aid hard on how enlightened and advanced they were. Yeah TNG was all Shakespeare and jazz quartets, art appreciation and poetry readings. We have "evolved" and all that. Which was bullshit. They acted like the Federation's advances in technology and philosophy were making them be inherently better. I'm glad the later shows* have gone out of their way to show that's not the case. * and the movie where Picard shoots a Borg with a hard light tommy gun.
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Star Trek should be utopian but also aspirational and optimistic, I've got little time for pure cynicism in my Trek.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Star Trek should be utopian but also aspirational and optimistic, I've got little time for pure cynicism in my Trek. I can live with it. I can live with it.
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Jetrock posted:This week's episode was probably my favorite Disco episode of the whole series, or at least a tie with the Harry Mudd one. In part because it works as a strong, very Trek-ish stand-alone episode, unlike most of the series, but it also linked into the season-long storyline. The point where they revealed the winner of the race got sacrificed to the gods was an "oh poo poo, I wasn't expecting that!" moment like one I haven't seen since SNW "Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach." And, as others on this thread have mentioned, a total lack of Moll & L'ak improved the episode and made it clear just how unnecessary they are to the storyline. Suffering is just "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" rejigged, easily one of SNWs weakest episodes
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punishedkissinger posted:I can live with it. I can live with it. DS9 did lasting damage to the franchise 
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I think it's good to interogate what your utopia does under pressure, if you never see how a society copes under strain I don't know how you can call it aspirational?
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:DS9 did lasting damage to the franchise And if I had to do it all over again - I would.
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Senor Tron posted:With the Federation being so spread out before the Burn there must be dozens of worlds that were on the verge of First Contact and then had that delayed by a century. Maybe a cool thread for them to pickup in the Academy series. Just introduce the Hounds of Tindalos.
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Taear posted:Suffering is just "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" rejigged, easily one of SNWs weakest episodes Yeah, and I was really worried The Elysian Kingdom would leave us on a similar nihilistic note, but luckily it pulled up and gave M’Benga and kid a happy ending.
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No Dignity posted:I think it's good to interogate what your utopia does under pressure, if you never see how a society copes under strain I don't know how you can call it aspirational? The best Trek is when they have their values challenged, when they are presented with a problem which seems impossible to solve without violating their principles or find they must violate the letter of the law to uphold the spirit and then justify those actions to others.
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It's like how the best Robot stories are about how the Three Laws seem really straightforward and simple....until you actually try to apply them.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:DS9 did lasting damage to the franchise I agree. 100% and unironically. And I liked DS9.
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TheCenturion posted:It's like how the best Robot stories are about how the Three Laws seem really straightforward and simple....until you actually try to apply them. That's what I always like about Asimov's Three Laws stories. Each one was about how a robot seemingly violated the three laws to do something they shouldn't have been able to. Only, when all the facts were in, the robots were always being faithful*. Which was an indictment on the inadequacy of the three laws themselves. But reading the stories as a child I never realised that part. Turns out, simple blanket statements actually make for a terrible system of governing behaviour. * given the information they had at the time.
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Taear posted:Suffering is just "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" rejigged, easily one of SNWs weakest episodes It's an interesting story nucleus, a while ago I read this version/response to the original Omelas and it was much more effective: https://clarkesworldmagazine.com/kim_02_24/
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Yeah TNG was all Shakespeare and jazz quartets, art appreciation and poetry readings. Once Gene kicked the bucket the shows were always going to move away from the stiff and wooden nature he wanted for humanity. The best Star Trek movies are the ones that goes against everything he wanted, their success and approval prove it. He hated them, but Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country are peak ST movies for good reasons. DS9 shined once it broke free of the confines that the series had been pidgeon holed into. It went places, it showed what happens when the Federation got dragged into a dirty fight. You don't win simply by being morally superior. It's why Sisko was the best Captain. He was the most real. He did what he had to do. Easy to pretend to be a saint in paradise.
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Taear posted:Suffering is just "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" rejigged, easily one of SNWs weakest episodes I'm not sure why that matters so much. First, I guarantee there's a bunch of people out there who saw the episode who have never read that story. Second, Balance of Terror is frequently cited as both one of the great TOS episodes and also basically being The Enemy Below In Space. If the execution is bad, that's a valid complaint, but retelling older stories is entirely valid.
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Oh god drat it Sony and Apollo in Talks to Acquire Paramount After letting exclusive talks with the movie studio Skydance lapse, Paramount’s directors met over the weekend and decided to negotiate with all the suitors. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/05/business/media/sony-apollo-paramount.html Paramount has decided to formally open negotiations with a bidding group led by Sony Pictures Entertainment and the private equity giant Apollo, according to three people familiar with the matter. The move comes after a period of exclusive talks with the Hollywood studio Skydance lapsed on Friday night. A special committee of Paramount’s board of directors met Saturday and signed off on beginning deal talks with Sony and Apollo, which last week submitted a nonbinding letter of interest offering to buy the company for around $26 billion in cash, the people said. The committee also decided to push for further negotiations with Skydance, a studio founded by the technology scion David Ellison. Paramount, the owner of Nickelodeon, MTV, CBS and Paramount Pictures, has been exploring a deal as it faces industrywide headwinds, including the decline of cable TV and the unprofitability of its streaming business. Any deal between the Sony group and Paramount faces hurdles. Government regulations restrict foreign ownership of broadcast networks and could prevent Sony’s parent company, based in Japan, from owning CBS outright. The bidding group would probably push for Apollo, which is based in the United States, to hold the rights to the CBS broadcast license, according to two people familiar with their strategy.
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If it ends up with Apollo, that’s basically it for the franchise again. It’ll all be dead within 2-5 years because that’s what private equity groups do best.
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Depends on how much control Sony has and also where it ends up inside Sony's internal politics. Parts of Sony would be very interested in perpetuating a franchise like this.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:If it ends up with Apollo, that’s basically it for the franchise again. It’ll all be dead within 2-5 years because that’s what private equity groups do best. This. This is the problem.
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The Last Call posted:This. ....Appeal to Bezos?
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Has any big mega merger like this gone down in a good way? Seems unlikely they'd let Trek go fallow after dropping billions on the deal. Hard to imagine any scenario that isn't just a shotgun of Trek useage trying to see what makes money or not. It's all bad admirals in the executive suites. I'll consider us lucky if we even get to continue any current remaining projects.
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Khanstant posted:Has any big mega merger like this gone down in a good way? Seems unlikely they'd let Trek go fallow after dropping billions on the deal. Hard to imagine any scenario that isn't just a shotgun of Trek useage trying to see what makes money or not. It's all bad admirals in the executive suites. I'll consider us lucky if we even get to continue any current remaining projects. Disney and Marvel come to mind If this was a tenth as successful as that has been we should count ourselves extremely lucky
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MikeJF posted:Depends on how much control Sony has and also where it ends up inside Sony's internal politics. Parts of Sony would be very interested in perpetuating a franchise like this.
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The best part of the Sony Star Trek movie was when he said "IT'S TREKKIN' TIME" and trekked all over those stars.
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Just minor villain themed movies called Maset, Bok, and Finnegan No Trek in the title and no Enterprise crew members
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Actual Satan posted:The best part of the Sony Star Trek movie was when he said "IT'S TREKKIN' TIME" and trekked all over those stars. That's gonna be the real trip, is seeing all the ways Sony finds to Morbius the poo poo out of Star Trek.
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Rubber Chicken posted:Disney and Marvel come to mind No, Disney Marvel is one of the bad outcomes. Those are both franchises I used to really enjoy but now do everything I can to avoid them, and worse, it made them a ton of money so they keep making worse and worse stuff out of the IP. Just going to operate on the assumption that Trek as I know it is having its final seasons and shows now.
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Rubber Chicken posted:Just minor villain themed movies called Maset, Bok, and Finnegan gently caress, I would watch a Finnegan movie
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Khanstant posted:No, Disney Marvel is one of the bad outcomes. Those are both franchises I used to really enjoy but now do everything I can to avoid them, and worse, it made them a ton of money so they keep making worse and worse stuff out of the IP. Just going to operate on the assumption that Trek as I know it is having its final seasons and shows now. So you'd rather have nothing at all than a decade of mostly good poo poo followed by mediocrity with moments of brilliance?
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I do not agree with your assessment of the output of Disney and absolutely always every time "nothing" would be better than Disney ownership for all properties, especially the ones people working at Disney made. I don't even want that company to exist, still pissed at them for loving up the world with nearly- and perpetual copyright. Fortunately Disney isn't in the talks, but I have no reason to think one of these other lovely companies will be any different.
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Any company that makes anything you've heard of, including Paramount, would be Disney if only they could manage it That's no defense of Disney, but I wasn't doing that before either, just giving an example of a bought IP that had good output
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Taear posted:Suffering is just "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" rejigged, easily one of SNWs weakest episodes I liked it. And also the reason why SNW is so good, and maybe my second favorite Star Trek after DS9 is it does this: Apollodorus posted:Yeah, and I was really worried The Elysian Kingdom would leave us on a similar nihilistic note, but luckily it pulled up and gave M’Benga and kid a happy ending. And varies its tone and genre a ton. Like yeah the Gorn babies are a little dumb, but that episode was cool. It was good space horror. Lower Decks could also change up tone but it and the other good show, Prodigy, are dead I guess.
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