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E2M2 posted:Channel 12 is saying Israel rejects the ceasefire Wasn't the deal written up by Israel to begin with? I remember Blinken called it Israel's 'generous offer'. Just absolutely unhinged diplomacy. E: looks like Hamas accepted the offer from Egypt that Israel hasn't even considered yet and is very likely to decline. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 19:36 on May 6, 2024 |
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Hearing what Israelis say is profoundly disturbing. I don't understand why they are so evil and messed up. It is the height of hubris and solipsism to say that "rules against genocide don't apply to me and are offensive to invoke because the people I am murdering really *are* cockroaches and that none of them is innocent, even the fetuses." Literally every perpetrator says that. Recognizing the inherent worth and dignity of every human being is essential and non-negotiable. VitalSigns posted:Another thing is that there is a gradient of possible actions that support Israel, it's not a binary choice between unlimited lethal aid commitment or shouting "from the river to the sea" at the State of the Union address. Irrespective of the electoral horserace, he needs to stop this because it is not only morally wrong but the crime of crimes. It is a stain on the soul of America. Zoeb fucked around with this message at 19:49 on May 6, 2024 |
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Well yeah, but politics-brained libs don't have morals, the only way they can conceive of something like right or wrong is will it help my team win or lose. You have to talk to them like some kind of Sci Fi alien or artificial intelligence with no concept of human ethics, like Kirk convincing an evil computer its methods are self-defeating. Neurolimal posted:At least outside rightwingers, I don't think anyone believes Trump is pro-peace, rather they believe that he's the most incompetent option, which is good if you prefer America's warfare & lawfare machines inoperable. I tend to agree with this view, I just don't think he's so incompetent or apathetic or narcissistic or whatever that it will really make that much of a difference. I doubt U.S. policy to Israel will change that much no matter who is in charge. maruhkati posted:It is quite likely that if the President shifted his stance on the ongoing genocide, the polling among Democrats (including Jewish ones) would shift toward "stopping it is the right thing to do," because that is how party polarization works in the year 2024. Yes. Other examples of this are the Border Wall and Kids In Cages. Hard-nosed political realism under Obama, unconscionable cruelty under Trump, back to pragmatic politics when Biden does it. I think a lot of support for Israel would fall away if Democratic politicians stopped supporting Israel, because it would no longer be the party line.
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Zoeb posted:It is the height of hubris and solipsism to say that "rules against genocide don't apply to me and are offensive to invoke because the people I am murdering really *are* cockroaches and that none of them is innocent, even the fetuses." Literally every perpetrator says that.
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Halloween Jack posted:Some of them actually have the wherewithal not to say that, but it seems that Israel is so accustomed to unstinting US support that Zionists really don't know how they come across. They say it to each other, when they are on TV in Israel speaking in Hebrew to a Hebrew speaking audience. Unfortunately for them, the internet doesn't care about national borders or media markets and folks on TikTok and Twitter find these translated clips regardless. I also see people defending Israel say it and folks with family in Israel reporting that their "liberal zionist" relatives say it even when they are progressive on other issues. I believe that the soul of Israelis is corrupted, stained. I think there is something very wrong with their hearts to believe such vile nonsense that was used against them. Their public has lost their capacity for empathy, for seeing these others as part of the same people, the human people.
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The single most openly, enthusiastically genocidal poo poo i've ever heard someone say out loud was after services in a [very progressive, reform] temple when the subject of Palestinians came up. The idea that palestinians need to just be exterminated has been lurking around for a long time.
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Zoeb posted:Hearing what Israelis say is profoundly disturbing. I don't understand why they are so evil and messed up. Being brought up in an ethnostate where you're constantly told that you're always under the threat of violence from a scary other, combined with a dollop of religious fundamentalism around the idea of a land that was gifted to your people by God, meaning your side's religious nutters are constantly butting up against that other, trying to take their land, & a collective memory of 2,000 years of antisemitism on top of all that. It's almost surprising there's as many dissidents in Israel as there are. You might not be thrown in prison like in a totalitarian state, but you'll face all manner of social pressures from friends & family & employers. It takes incredibly brave independent thinkers to go against all that to just see that the Emperor has no clothes on.
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12 years a lurker posted:I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't read the article rather than actually thinking shouting "F*** the Jews" and assaulting jewish students isn't antisemitic: Hmm yes the extremely online phrase "*, my beloved", totally a normal thing that people say out in the real world. 
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Zoeb posted:Hearing what Israelis say is profoundly disturbing. I don't understand why they are so evil and messed up. The ideology from the onset was always willing to “go it alone”, and assumed that every other country might (including the US ) eventually persecute them. The impulse to protect the group is the way one can get the people in the group to be violent against people outside of the group. It can be used to justify any level of violence. It’s hosed for the same reasons the 14 words racists are hosed up. It’s hosed up for the same reason the justification Russia used to invade Ukraine is hosed up “while the North Atlantic alliance continued to expand despite our protests and concerns. Its military machine is moving and, as I said, is approaching our very border.”
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Bar Ran Dun posted:The ideology from the onset was always willing to “go it alone”, and assumed that every other country might (including the US ) eventually persecute them. I agree, defensive actions by nation states should have a high bar for what they are actually defending against, if you are launching attacks which will kill civilians. Unfortunately the trouble is that there is no, and there never will be a, mechanism for fairly regulating these actions of nation states. The idea that the UN could have been this mechanism seems to have failed thus far.
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Zoeb posted:They say it to each other, when they are on TV in Israel speaking in Hebrew to a Hebrew speaking audience. Unfortunately for them, the internet doesn't care about national borders or media markets and folks on TikTok and Twitter find these translated clips regardless. I also see people defending Israel say it and folks with family in Israel reporting that their "liberal zionist" relatives say it even when they are progressive on other issues. I believe that the soul of Israelis is corrupted, stained. I think there is something very wrong with their hearts to believe such vile nonsense that was used against them. Their public has lost their capacity for empathy, for seeing these others as part of the same people, the human people. I think it's dangerous to attribute an exceptional level of evilness to the Israeli people, there seems to be an endless capacity for the polity to be whipped up against an existential agonist all over the world. I don't mean that as an excuse to distract from what Israel has done in the occupied territories since 1948 and even beforehand, it just seems reductive and thought terminating to write the whole society off as monsters when, in a world where the entire Israel/Palestine conflict is amicably resolved in the near future, 99% of those people are going to be living in the combined territory. It's not like the populace at large is going to be forcibly "reeducated" or "de-nazified" or whatever either even to the extent that Nazi Germany was, since there very likely will not be an occupying force to impose such things.
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Moktaro posted:Hmm yes the extremely online phrase "*, my beloved", totally a normal thing that people say out in the real world. It was in Arabic. Ya Hamas, ya habib, odrob, odrob Tel Aviv. It rhymes.
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forkboy84 posted:Being brought up in an ethnostate where you're constantly told that you're always under the threat of violence from a scary other, combined with a dollop of religious fundamentalism around the idea of a land that was gifted to your people by God, meaning your side's religious nutters are constantly butting up against that other, trying to take their land, & a collective memory of 2,000 years of antisemitism on top of all that. It's almost surprising there's as many dissidents in Israel as there are. You might not be thrown in prison like in a totalitarian state, but you'll face all manner of social pressures from friends & family & employers. It takes incredibly brave independent thinkers to go against all that to just see that the Emperor has no clothes on. I mean how do you even reason with that?? Every conversation I had results in them crying about the horrors of mean old me being antisemitic for telling them to stop or veiled threats against my reputation. They are just beyond words or reason. It's like talking to the Westboro Baptist Church or TERFs. It's like a cult they are so indoctrinated. It's the same histrionics about God or protecting women from mean old trans people/Hamas
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forkboy84 posted:Being brought up in an ethnostate where you're constantly told that you're always under the threat of violence from a scary other, combined with a dollop of religious fundamentalism around the idea of a land that was gifted to your people by God, meaning your side's religious nutters are constantly butting up against that other, trying to take their land, & a collective memory of 2,000 years of antisemitism on top of all that. It's almost surprising there's as many dissidents in Israel as there are. You might not be thrown in prison like in a totalitarian state, but you'll face all manner of social pressures from friends & family & employers. It takes incredibly brave independent thinkers to go against all that to just see that the Emperor has no clothes on. This is just unfair. Israel isn’t just under some perceived threat that they invented out of thin air, they’re literally constantly under threat of terror attacks. In 2021 at the peak of Covid, Hamas launched 3,600 rockets at Israeli civilians. If you don’t think that having hundreds of Israelis killed or wounded over the last 20 years doesn’t affect the psyche of the average Israeli then it’s not worth debating anymore. I think what’s happening in Gaza is reprehensible, I think Netanyahu is a criminal and I think what’s happening now is the safety of Jews around the world being exchanged for the safety of Jews in Israel.
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kronix posted:This is just unfair. Israel isn’t just under some perceived threat that they invented out of thin air, they’re literally constantly under threat of terror attacks. In 2021 at the peak of Covid, Hamas launched 3,600 rockets at Israeli civilians. If you don’t think that having hundreds of Israelis killed or wounded over the last 20 years doesn’t affect the psyche of the average Israeli then it’s not worth debating anymore. This is all true - Israelis live in genuinely much more exposure danger than the average first-worlder, even ignoring that they are basically all war veterans, and this is one factor in why Israeli culture has, I don't know what else to call it, so much crazy violent nationalism/racism. People will point out that all this is much more true of your average Palestinian, and they're correct - it's why a lot Palesthinians also don't talk about this conflict like polite civilian-concerned one-state-solution first-worlders. quote:I think what’s happening in Gaza is reprehensible, I think Netanyahu is a criminal and I think what’s happening now is the safety of Jews around the world being exchanged for the safety of Jews in Israel. Are Jews around the world in significantly greater danger today than September 2023? If all it took for Jews to lose our safety is Jews somewhere else doing hosed up poo poo, then obviously violent antisemitism is so inherent to non-Jewish society that Zionism is correct: Jews can't live safely in liberal democracies, we do need our own state. But while I know of Palestinians throughout the US who have been stabbed and shot at, I don't know of any violent incidents directed toward the actual safety of a Jew in the diaspora. An abandoned synagogue was burnt to the ground in Tunisia, some people who really do hate Jews have opportunistically joined protests in the US, and there seems to have been a real uptick in graffiti against Jewish institutions. All of this is bad, but none of it suggests that "the safety of Jews around the world being exchanged [away]." Comparatively, after Kanye West went "'death con 3 on JEWISH PEOPLE", a random crazy guy did commit an antisemitic beating in Central Park. So so far it seems that Kanye's mental breakdown may have been more dangerous to the physical safety of diaspora Jews than this entire war. Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 01:56 on May 7, 2024 |
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kronix posted:This is just unfair. Israel isn’t just under some perceived threat that they invented out of thin air, they’re literally constantly under threat of terror attacks. In 2021 at the peak of Covid, Hamas launched 3,600 rockets at Israeli civilians. If you don’t think that having hundreds of Israelis killed or wounded over the last 20 years doesn’t affect the psyche of the average Israeli then it’s not worth debating anymore. Let's check Israel's numbers for October 2022 through September 2023, the year leading up to the festival attack: 47 deaths, 146 injured. 193 total victims. So 2 per 100000 Israelis. Those are from 2339 "terrorist attacks". The overwhelming majority of "attacks" that Israel claims are victimless. They're vandalism and other non-violent acts of protest. e: Also important to note is that Israel considers ALL attacks on its armed forced to be terrorist actions, not just attacks on civilians. For example in December 2023 of the 26 listed injuries (there were no fatalities in the detailed list) only 3 were civilians. This boils down to a couple dozen Israeli civilians being harmed during an average year. Israel's fascist culture has little to do with the actual harm from Palestinian resistance. fool of sound fucked around with this message at 02:30 on May 7, 2024 |
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kronix posted:In 2021 at the peak of Covid, Hamas launched 3,600 rockets at Israeli civilians. Now please tell me how many of these rockets were safely intercepted, seeing how most of them was basically steel pipes with some explosives inside and Israel has state of the art anti-rocket shield.
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fool of sound posted:Let's check Israel's numbers for October 2022 through September 2023, the year leading up to the festival attack: 47 deaths, 146 injured. 193 total victims. So 2 per 100000 Israelis. That's about twice as much as Americans who died in 9/11 (a little under 3000 out of a little under 300 million) and most of us remember how much that attack warped Americans culture and enflamed horribly racist, genocidal rhetoric. This is not an apology or an excuse. Obviously Israel's fascism is not a rational reaction to the probability that an Israeli civilian is killed by a Palestinian. It is in fact the insane policies of the Israeli state which predictably result in terrorism by producing so many furious, humiliated people with an obvious cause to die for and very little to live for. If we are trying to understand why Israel is so hosed up, one factor is that for as long as the state has existed, there's been a constant flow of reports reading "MORE PEOPLE WHO LIVE LIKE YOU KILLED FOR DOING SO." And there is a historical basis from which to infer that this is a problem literally thousands of years old that will never go away. This is an excellent environment for fascism to breed.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:That's about twice as much as Americans who died in 9/11 (a little under 3000 out of a little under 300 million) and most of us remember how much that attack warped Americans culture and enflamed horribly racist, genocidal rhetoric. My point is that those reports are (for the most part, big devastating attacks like Oct 7 are an exception) are a product of a fascist culture and fascist national media looking for fear and anger to latch onto, rather than a reaction to actual harm. Also, 9/11 was overwhelmingly civilian while the Israeli victims are overwhelmingly soldiers. I don't think that distinction means much to Israel (if anything they clearly give way more of a poo poo about their soldiers than their civilians), but it's important to note when discussing if the things Israel calls terrorism are actually terrorism.
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Zoeb posted:Irrespective of the electoral horserace, he needs to stop this because it is not only morally wrong but the crime of crimes. It is a stain on the soul of America. bad news, it's all stain israel's very foundation is rooted in fascism
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Current pier news. Floating off shore platform is built. They putting together the causeway. Weather has slowed them down. I’ve seen two separated notices work has to stop due to wind and swells. https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3766319/dod-continues-work-on-temporary-pier-for-gaza-after-high-seas-force-move/
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Macklemore posted a video music about Palestine, with all proceeds going to Palestine. https://www.instagram.com/p/C6o4830yMvE/ Biden seems 100% oblivious to the number of voters he is losing.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:That's about twice as much as Americans who died in 9/11 (a little under 3000 out of a little under 300 million) and most of us remember how much that attack warped Americans culture and enflamed horribly racist, genocidal rhetoric. I always find it pretty ridiculous to adjust Israeli casualties proportionally like this. Israeli lives arent somehow more valuable just because they are a small country.
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So to get an idea of the difficulty of assembling something like this. When people get into deep sea submersibles and goto the bottom of the ocean that’s a relatively dangerous thing to do. The most dangerous part of doing that… is getting the submersible off the ship and into the water or from the water onto to the ship. That dangerous part, a discharge by a ships crane into the water and then detaching the pontoon from the lifting gear. They’ve basically been doing it over and over again since the construction started. My guesstimate is that there is a probably three days left based on the weather delays. It could end up being a bit longer as they had to move it because of the weather and then will have to move it back.
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punishedkissinger posted:I always find it pretty ridiculous to adjust Israeli casualties proportionally like this. Israeli lives arent somehow more valuable just because they are a small country. Yeah, "more valuable" is stupid, but it's not what I said. I wasn't making any kind of value judgement about whose lives are valuable. I have no idea why you ascribed that offensive idea to me. When you're in a small society, whether it's a town or a country, local events don't have to be very big to have a big impact on how people think and live. Maybe a more foolproof way to describe it is this: far fewer civilians died on Oct 7 2023 than September 11 2001. But the average 2024-Isrseli is much more likely to know someone who died on Oct 7 than your average 2002-American is to know someone who died on Sep 11. Greater proximity (in geography, cultural identity, social networks etc) to the victims of a terrorist attack makes the attack more terrorizing, and makes it easier for demagogues to exploit that terror. And again you can extend this to Gaza where the scale of slaughter is so nauseating that I can't imagine there's a single Palestinian who doesn't know someone who died in this nightmare war. Horrifying Portion of Americans killed on 9/11: 0.001% (3000 in 285 million) Portion of Israelis killed on 10/7: 0.011% (1150 in 9.55 million) Portion of Palestinians in Gaza killed in this war: 1.75% (35,000 in 2 million) Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 03:57 on May 7, 2024 |
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Celexi posted:Biden seems 100% oblivious to the number of voters he is losing. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Yeah, "more valuable" is stupid, but it's not what I said. I wasn't making any kind of value judgement about whose lives are valuable. I have no idea why you ascribed that offensive idea to me. I can't quite grasp this weird need to calculate atrocities, and it doesn't get to the root of what is actually going on. It could have been half as much or half as few, but the response would still have been the same because the response comes from the culture and not the numbers. Israel needs to be shown as the tough state that can protect all Jews who wish to live in its borders, and its disproportionate violence is merely that veil being torn to shreds and them desperately trying to piece it back together. apatheticman fucked around with this message at 04:59 on May 7, 2024 |
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Majorian posted:You asked for an example of "a particular demographic that deeply cares about I/P that could significantly influence the election." I gave you one. The fact that there are other demographics in Biden's coalition that may desert him (young voters especially) kind of proves my point: he can't take strategically vital segments of his coalition for granted. I have not encountered a single article, documentary or report positioning Muslim American voters as a significant demographic in the same manner as Latino or Black women voters, who receive tons of attention from groups like the Koch network and Stacey Abrams' organization in Georgia. Almost always, national elections pivot on domestic or economic issues rather than foreign policy concerns, unless a crisis becomes highly visible or impactful. I could see the situation in Rafa gaining prominence if it deteriorates further and dominates morning news, which is a primary source for suburban women—a key voter demographic. Or their kids start getting drafted and hurt. Neglecting Muslim American in a crucial swing state might be a significant oversight for Biden but I don't see how they are a significant, decisive or critical voting bloc at the national level. There is only a small concentration in a few states, voting is highly variable, the diverse nature of their political views in general and an election still months away. Focusing heavily on this group too might overlook the influence of other significant demographics, such as Jewish-American voters, who also have substantial presence in key swing states and outnumber Arab-Americans. Other issues just generally have more resonance with more active voter groups and this is indirect conflict overseas supporting an ally in region known for violence. Yes, I know about the USS liberty but perception is reality. I mean sure you are right that Michigan might shift, which is I think is still highly unlikely, it's just that suggesting Muslim American are key to national outcomes due to the Israel/Palestine conflict simply because there is a small number in a swing state greatly overstates their influence in my view but I've been wrong before too. Hell, even Young Voters tend to almost always prioritize other issues but I've been wrong before too. Edit - If you have anything that shows otherwise, and data driven like this article, I'd be more than happy to read it. Majorian posted:So I turn your question around to you: what demographics is Biden hoping to win over (or, if they are already part of his coalition, secure) with his hardline pro-Zionism stance? Are there enough undecided Zionist voters who will only vote for him if he continues this hardline stance? What is the domestic political calculus at work here? Or is it just an insane ideological commitment to Zionism that's guiding Biden during this mass slaughter? Biden's doing the same thing Trump is doing. Trying to hit key demographics which off the top of my head are White Suburban Women in places like Ohio. Or Working Class Latinos in Florida. Gucci Loafers fucked around with this message at 05:01 on May 7, 2024 |
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kronix posted:This is just unfair. Israel isn’t just under some perceived threat that they invented out of thin air, they’re literally constantly under threat of terror attacks. In 2021 at the peak of Covid, Hamas launched 3,600 rockets at Israeli civilians. If you don’t think that having hundreds of Israelis killed or wounded over the last 20 years doesn’t affect the psyche of the average Israeli then it’s not worth debating anymore.
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Seems more like they're under constant threat of resistance to the genocide they've been engaging in for years? I think the knowledge that you're part of a system that's doing something like that, and the dissonance created when you must dehumanize people who live so close to you, tends to make you a mean and hollow person. You see it with a lot of the white people who fled Rhodesia. If your worst instincts get constantly reinforced and enabled towards people, it makes you deeply nasty at your core.
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Gucci Loafers posted:I mean sure you are right that Michigan might shift, which is I think is still highly unlikely, it's just that suggesting Muslim American are key to national outcomes due to the Israel/Palestine conflict simply because there is a small number in a swing state greatly overstates their influence in my view but I've been wrong before too. Hell, even Young Voters tend to almost always prioritize other issues but I've been wrong before too. If Michigan is a necessary state for Biden to win (it probably will be), then driving down Muslim turnout for him is a bad idea. There's really no two ways about it. While I understand that widely being perceived as an anti-Zionist would also hurt his chances of being reelected, I don't buy that he had to go as all-in on the "Israel can do no wrong!" platform as he has. He could have taken a more equivocating, triangulating path, and probably wouldn't have lost nearly as many voters as he presently stands to lose. But he didn't. He went full-Zionist. I think that was a particularly short-sighted decision on his part because now he can't back down an inch without looking like he's betraying Israel, from Zionists' perspective. My overall point is, Biden's handling of this crisis has been a textbook case of electoral malpractice. He's shot himself in the foot unnecessarily. He may still win in November, but it will be in spite of his mishandling of Israel, not because of it.
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Majorian posted:If Michigan is a necessary state for Biden to win (it probably will be), then driving down Muslim turnout for him is a bad idea. There's really no two ways about it. While I understand that widely being perceived as an anti-Zionist would also hurt his chances of being reelected, I don't buy that he had to go as all-in on the "Israel can do no wrong!" platform as he has. He could have taken a more equivocating, triangulating path, and probably wouldn't have lost nearly as many voters as he presently stands to lose. But he didn't. He went full-Zionist. Yea, it's not a voting bloc I'd want to piss off even if they are small in number but they just aren't really that important in the current scheme of things. Majorian posted:I think that was a particularly short-sighted decision on his part because now he can't back down an inch without looking like he's betraying Israel, from Zionists' perspective. My overall point is, Biden's handling of this crisis has been a textbook case of electoral malpractice. He's shot himself in the foot unnecessarily. He may still win in November, but it will be in spite of his mishandling of Israel, not because of it. Maybe, as I see it Biden is playing this carefully as with the ceasing with the earlier Weapons shipment. That way if Rafa goes the wrong he can claim his hands were clean and it was all Netanyahu.
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