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Raenir Salazar posted:No? If you eat a cookie from the jar without permission, and I threaten you with consequences if you do it again, you did not magically get away with eating a cookie just because you conform to the demand being made. That's a silly zero-sum way of looking at a complex situation. How often do normal shoplifters or drug sellers get to repeatedly threaten judges, prosecutors and their families? Like, Trump is calling for people to attack this judges daughter, what is there to be done? "You ought to go after this attorney general: [posts AG's home address]", what is there to be done? He is knowingly trying to excite people into killing his enemies and people are actually being caught plotting and attempting to kill victims he targets, please do not talk past this point. He is a danger who is constantly threatening the courts, prosecutors, witnesses and all their families with violence, this is not his first violation; threats of potential consequences are not, themselves, consequences; a billionaire lost a few thousand, these are not the consequences that should result from his actions nor do they impact him; he has been and is still acting without consequences and wrongly holding up a dictionary like its a bible will not change this. This was like his 14'th cookie from this specific jar, one jar of many that he has taken from; a constant stream of violations and contempt, like a half dozen judges fleeing their homes and sleeping elsewhere out of fear, what is there to be done? Trump publically declares court staff and prosecutors (and all those who do not defer to power) as Enemies to go after while like publicly sharing their families' names and addresses. Considering the continued contempt and threats, the known potential for violence, and his position of confrontational reverence in many terrorist groups, he needs to be detained with special administration rules to limit his communications. A leader's incitement against the courts as Trump often does is right out of the Illinois Nazi playbook, such communications are something that we can act to both prevent and prosecute against. Here is an example sharing elements with Trump's current cases, where a leader's incarceration, with special rules to limit communication, was applied as a (unsuccessful) preventative measure: Matthew Hale, Illinois Nazi posted:You know, my position has always been that I, you know, I’m going to fight within the law, but my information has been provided. If you wish to do anything yourself, you can. Due to knowingly inflammatory statements being made concerning a judge, Hale was incarcerated and special measures were imposed to reduce his ability to communicate with his followers. Such measures limit a prisoner’s communication when the Attorney General determines that there is a substantial risk that contact with people other than their lawyers, immediate family or prison officials could pose a threat to people in the outside world. Attorney Glenn Greenwald said the charges against Matthew Hale stemmed from a misinterpretation of Hale’s statement that "we are in a state of war with Judge Lefkow," referring to a judge who had ruled against Hale. "The FBI may have interpreted this protected speech as a threat against a federal judge, but it’s nothing more than some heated rhetoric," Greenwald said. Greenwald was a friend who represented Hale and his Illinois Nazis in every civil legal matter they faced in over five years for free, he argued Hale's bar appeal in an attempt to empower Hale as an attorney. Greenwald compared the incarceration order to earlier lawsuits against Hale and the group that he faced, like the litigation after a white-supremacist spree killed over a dozen people in revenge for Hale's bar denial: "All they can say Matt Hale did then is express the view that Jews and blacks are inferior," he said. "There's just no question that expressing those views is a core First Amendment activity." (Greenwald added, "I find that the people behind these lawsuits [minority victims' families] are truly so odious and repugnant, that it creates its own motivation for me.") During Hale's incarceration Greenwald was asked by Hale to relay coded messages to the outside neo-nazis: "The message was almost a cartoonish version of what a coded message would be," he said. "It was two or three sentences that were very cryptic and impossible to understand in terms of what they were intended to convey." "It was a message for Greenwald about a letter that Matt had written him," Hale's mother recalled. "I said, 'Matt, this doesn't make sense to me.' He said, 'Greenwald will understand, ask him to read the letter.'" Six weeks later, Judge Lefkow's husband and mother were found killed in her home following her address being shared online by the group; Greenwald did not report these coded messages until the FBI confronted him about them months later, finally recalling neither content nor intended recipient and violating the special administrative measures and his duty as an officer of the court. "Of course, it is very important that I be able to say truthfully that I have never advocated anything illegal." Hale is serving 40 years in prison after being convicted of plotting to kill three attorneys who had sued his group and Judge Lefkow, who had ruled against him.
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Small White Dragon posted:.....And here I thought sixty new posts meant something interesting had happened. One very fine day, you will open up the Awful app on your phone and see "1642" new posts. You will know that something good happened. With one eye closed, you will scroll through the posts and see more emojis and 1-liners than you ever thought possible on the Trump Legal Troubles thread. All of the forums convened on this thread and celebrated as Trump was found guilty of every single crime imaginable and hauled away while he literally howled like a DOG. Twitter is not loading. Even NY Times is having trouble keeping up. For as Trump gets led away in handcuffs, his very visible, very full diaper steals everyone's hearts. Eric Trump walks behind him trying to hide his daddy's diaper while crinkling his nose. You check r/conservative and it barely loads. You manage to see one post - "Actually, Full Diapers are Pretty Alpha! 🐶 AWOO! " You walk over to the fridge and start making yourself a sandwich to eat while you read both the Trump thread and r/conservative at the same time. You then remembered that you bought the good juice last week and you'll be damned if you're not going to drink it for the holiest of occasions. You can't stop smiling as you make the sandwich and pour the good juice in the good glass. Maybe afterwards, you'll play a video game with this thread open.
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Small White Dragon posted:.....And here I thought sixty new posts meant something interesting had happened. Nah, nothing ever happens with any of this. It's always just Trump pissing off the courts and the courts doing barely anything about it. It'll be that way until Trump's heart finally explodes from decades of fast food and zero exercise. Or until he wins the Presidency and begins actively trying to destroy the government and replace it with who-loving-knows what. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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atriptothebeach posted:How often do normal shoplifters or drug sellers get to repeatedly threaten judges, prosecutors and their families? Like, Trump is calling for people to attack this judges daughter, what is there to be done? It would help your argument a lot if Trump had actually said or posted any of the things you're claiming that he said. For example, Trump never called for people to attack the judge's daughter. He posted that the judge's daughter owns a Democratic political firm and makes money from negative news about Trump, which is more or less accurate. As far as I'm aware, that's all he said about her! Does any negative attention at all from Trump increase the risk of her being targeted by crazy people? Probably! Does that mean that any negative attention from Trump legally qualifies as threats? Under existing Supreme Court precedent, no. Does the judge recognize it as concerning? Yes. That's why he expanded the gag order to cover his daughter as well. But as a general rule of thumb, people typically have a First Amendment right to publicly accuse the judge of being corrupt, as long as they don't do it when they're sitting right there in the courtroom.
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small butter posted:One very fine day, you will open up the Awful app on your phone and see "1642" new posts. You will know that something good happened. With one eye closed, you will scroll through the posts and see more emojis and 1-liners than you ever thought possible on the Trump Legal Troubles thread. All of the forums convened on this thread and celebrated as Trump was found guilty of every single crime imaginable and hauled away while he literally howled like a DOG. Twitter is not loading. Even NY Times is having trouble keeping up. For as Trump gets led away in handcuffs, his very visible, very full diaper steals everyone's hearts. Eric Trump walks behind him trying to hide his daddy's diaper while crinkling his nose. You check r/conservative and it barely loads. You manage to see one post - "Actually, Full Diapers are Pretty Alpha! 🐶 AWOO! " You walk over to the fridge and start making yourself a sandwich to eat while you read both the Trump thread and r/conservative at the same time. You then remembered that you bought the good juice last week and you'll be damned if you're not going to drink it for the holiest of occasions. You can't stop smiling as you make the sandwich and pour the good juice in the good glass. Maybe afterwards, you'll play a video game with this thread open. This would unironically be a day I'd remember for decades. 
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Main Paineframe posted:It would help your argument a lot if Trump had actually said or posted any of the things you're claiming that he said. Something normal that someone said online five years ago, that was hunted down by Trump's team, posted:I’ve actually had a couple conversations with my dad recently where he’s kind of like ‘I hate that politicians use Twitter,’ and like ‘It’s so unprofessional’ and you know, ‘That’s not how a politician should behave themselves,’ and I explain that like yeah, I think there are a lot of instances where it is not used in, like, when our President tweets anything that he thinks, and like that’s not what he should be using it for. bad trump posts posted:Judge Juan Merchan is totally compromised, and should be removed from this TRUMP Non-Case immediately. His Daughter [Names removed] is a Rabid Trump Hater who has admitted to having conversations with her father about me, and yet he gagged me. He is not making founded or legitimate claims of judicial corruption, Trump begins against the judge's daughter the day the judge barred him from directing public attacks against prosecutors, court staff, and any of their family members. She isn't like like cashing-in by any specific news of him like so and no it is not really accurate to frame it like this. She works advocacy, advertisement and digital campaigning for abortion, immigration and equal justice groups and like many others she also makes facebook ads for candidates during elections. She is not some national public or political figure interfering with the case, "...which is more or less accurate" you do not actually gotta hand it to Trump attacking her. Trump attached her name and photos with his public rants specifically for willing followers to be able to target her, intentionally so that an undeferential judge's family would be in fear. "Any negative attention from Trump at all" is NOT a useful hypothetical standard when we can judge specific inflammatory lies against uninvolved people with names and photos attached. Such things very well can qualify as actionable threats. - "You ought to go after this attorney general," shares AG's address shortly afterwards ^there i fixed my line for u but its the same Trump publically shared the AG's home address after earlier saying multiple things such as "you ought to go after this attorney general," Trump was specifically speaking towards inciting white supremacists by adding that the AG was motivated by anti-white racism
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May 7, 2024 09:32
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Newly unsealed grand jury testimony from Trump’s valet helps explain FBI’s desire to search Mar-a-Lago https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/07/politics/mar-a-lago-trump-nauta-classified-documents/index.html quote:Donald Trump’s valet told investigators before the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago in 2022 that he randomly chose boxes of documents to return to the National Archives and Trump himself directed that dozens more boxes located at the resort wouldn’t be returned, according to recently unsealed court filings. So there you go. It's not Trump wanted to keep anything specific for any known reason, he just didn't want to be told what he can cannot do quote:The recently unsealed filings show that investigators spoke to dozens of witnesses and obtained information about the inner workings at Mar-a-Lago and Trump’s White House that were not included in the initial charging documents against Trump and Nauta but could be used at trial. In particular, the filings add to the picture around how the FBI knew there were additional boxes at Trump’s club that likely contained classified records.
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BiggerBoat posted:Newly unsealed grand jury testimony from Trump’s valet helps explain FBI’s desire to search Mar-a-Lago
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Maybe they should have gotten a warrant to search Gary Gygax's home. "Behold, a chart used to determine what classified documents are stored in this box. They say this was written by Gygax himself!"
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May 7, 2024 12:44
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The deck of many crimes
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The Question IRL posted:Maybe they should have gotten a warrant to search Gary Gygax's home. not sure I'd touch any boxes there, might be mimics
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May 7, 2024 13:22
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Raenir Salazar posted:That's a silly zero-sum way of looking at a complex situation. And yet it's how Trump looks at every situation. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/ GlyphGryph posted:Yes, and when it's very clear what people mean by that word or phrase, as it is here, so you should generally not try to pretend they mean something else because you find it rhetorically useful. Trying to change definitions in the middle of a discussion is, to put it lightly, a dick move. Some people are prescriptivists and need to get over the fact that language is more complex than they would like it to be. You can usually find them citing the dictionary very selectively to make a useless point.
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May 7, 2024 13:26
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Judging by his impotent rant last night it's going to be a major witness today https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1787821908416745517
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May 7, 2024 13:56
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It's fun to imagine him shocked and dismayed but I'm pretty sure he would have posted that no matter who the witness was or how much advance notice he got
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May 7, 2024 14:35
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jarlywarly posted:The deck of many crimes 50 feet of hempen tie.
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Tesseraction posted:Judging by his impotent rant last night it's going to be a major witness today https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1787821908416745517 i would make a terrible reporter because i would not be able to recite this on air without adding 'shut the gently caress up'
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May 7, 2024 14:59
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Are Trump’s lawyers receiving proper advance notice but being directed by the court not to tell him? Much funnier that way.
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red19fire posted:Are Trump’s lawyers receiving proper advance notice but being directed by the court not to tell him? Much funnier that way. Seems they don't know either because he's whining about them having no time to prepare. I guess it would be implausible to have something you can't tell your client, so in this case he made his own legal case harder to defend because he could not shut the gently caress up.
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May 7, 2024 15:21
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The prosecution doesn’t actually have to share exactly when they’re calling who, it’s just a courtesy, and they’ve declined to extend that to the defense. They’re still disclosing who they’re calling in general, they’re just not being as nice about it.
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Tesseraction posted:Seems they don't know either because he's whining about them having no time to prepare. He's had months to prepare. Opposing counsel always has to notify you of what witnesses they are planning to call. There's no such thing as a "surprise witness" you often see in TV/movies, at least in American courts, since that would violate several protections ensured by the Constitution.
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May 7, 2024 15:29
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I mean imagine if he gets into the courtroom today to see Don Jr with a black eye on the witness stand.
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May 7, 2024 15:31
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why was trump arguing he didn't write the book? Surely those quotes aren't evidence?
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BiggerBoat posted:Newly unsealed grand jury testimony from Trump’s valet helps explain FBI’s desire to search Mar-a-Lago
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https://twitter.com/lawofruby/status/1787839135308202274 The People demand to know about that dick
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Tesseraction posted:Judging by his impotent rant last night it's going to be a major witness today https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1787821908416745517 Not going onto Truth to check, but supposedly Trump deleted the referenced post an hour ago or so. So seems like he is now watching what he says in order not to be jailed.
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Donkringel posted:Not going onto Truth to check, but supposedly Trump deleted the referenced post an hour ago or so. So seems like he is now watching what he says in order not to be jailed. I posted a much better response but deleted it before anyone saw it, so it sadly won't count under Contempt of Court rules I guess.
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haveblue posted:It's fun to imagine him shocked and dismayed but I'm pretty sure he would have posted that no matter who the witness was or how much advance notice he got I mean, he probably has no idea what value any witness has. The janitor at Trump Tower, Michael Cohen, the valet, Stormy Daniels? Who didn't he crime with? His actual grievance, aside from being charged, is that he wasn't afforded days of posting vitriolic slander about them. zoux posted:https://twitter.com/lawofruby/status/1787839135308202274 She'll take the stand in Toad cosplay.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/lawofruby/status/1787839135308202274 I thought America believed in Free Speech.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/lawofruby/status/1787839135308202274 There won't be much to talk about.
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Don't think I saw it mentioned yesterday, so for content: https://twitter.com/AnnaBower/status/1787644150826844644?t=8wiHoS5BVYLL4YY9-e1XDA&s=19 Trump's doc trial is on hold again. Ostensibly it was supposed to start in two weeks (it was not going to start in two weeks) since Cannon hadn't held a scheduling conference since the start of March. This new delay is in regard to a motion that has some extremely minor validity to it. In that it includes events that happened in observable reality, even though those events barely matter. Apparently when the fbi was collecting all the piles of classified documents from Mar-a-lago they kind of shifted some items around in boxes. They replaced classified documents with sheets explaining 'a classified document was here' but then ran out of those and started using pieces of paper. While organizing and documenting everything, the contents of certain boxes changed order which, yeah. You have a box with index cards and hundreds of pieces of loose paper, some of it is going to get shifted around. Unfortunately Smith's team appears to have lied about that. They had previously represented to Cannon (back in the special Master phase a couple of years ago) that the boxes were exactly ordered as found, but now they had to admit that no, some things seem to have been moved around. This is, of course, proof of prosecutoral misconduct and Jack Smith should be jailed for tampering with evidence. Jokes aside, it will probably delay the trial by months while Cannon carefully weighs whether or not 'a couple items shifting in this box full of classified documents' is worth throwing out the entire case. The trial is expected to begin on infrastructure week. Edit: also, fun fact. Trump was indicted in June of last year. Bob Menendez was indicted in September (and October again) and is expected to start his trial next week. Caros fucked around with this message at 16:27 on May 7, 2024 |
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zoux posted:The People demand to know about that dick 
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The reporting that I saw was that the contents were not put back by the special master when reviewing evidence, not necessarily by the FBI themselves. The special master was there at the request of trump's team.
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DTurtle posted:Nothing about dick, but there is something about rear end: https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1787864974720688329 This guy only loves one person in the world other than himself and it's his daughter that he wants to have sex with.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:final_warning_v2_final_final.DOC now officially up to final_warning_v2_final_final.DOC(FINAL)2.DOC
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Every bit of Stormys testimony is delicious https://twitter.com/innercitypress/status/1787864653445374254
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mclem posted:50 feet of hempen tie. Habba-yaga's Hutt
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https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1787865011529957524 Really looking forward to this afternoon's gag order violation
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