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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Asproigerosis posted:

As an ignorant American I was not readily familiar with this man. Looking him up, he was originally a proponent for peace with Israel until too much apartheid and ethnic culling that he turned toward the light of freedom by direct action?

I sense this is a common thread in the rich 76 year history of zionism...

The founder of Hamas believed In a peaceful dialogu until Israel tortured him then tortured his son while so that he could hear it.

E: scratch that his 16 yr old son was tortured in front of him

http://www.miftah.org/display.cfm?DocId=3395&CategoryId=5

Shageletic has issued a correction as of 15:12 on May 7, 2024

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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Best Friends posted:

Our Secretary of State has zero qualifications or talents besides “friends with Ghislaine Maxwell”. also he doesn’t believe in diplomacy.

No you'll find he's perfectly qualified

quote:

During the Clinton administration, Blinken served in the State Department and in senior positions on the National Security Council from 1994 to 2001. He was a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies from 2001 to 2002. He advocated for the 2003 invasion of Iraq while serving as the Democratic staff director of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee from 2002 to 2008.[2] He was a foreign policy advisor for Joe Biden's 2008 presidential campaign, before advising the Obama–Biden presidential transition.

From 2009 to 2013, Blinken served as deputy assistant to the president and national security advisor to the vice president. During his tenure in the Obama administration, he helped craft U.S. policy on Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the nuclear program of Iran.[3][4] After leaving government service, Blinken moved into the private sector, co-founding WestExec Advisors, a consulting firm. Blinken returned to government first as a foreign policy advisor for Biden's 2020 presidential campaign, then as Biden's pick for secretary of state, a position the Senate confirmed him for on January 26, 2021.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
abu ubeida with a statement as to how one of the prisoners died

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Abu Obeida: The death of prisoner Jody Fanstein is seriously injured

Abu Obeida, a spokesman for the Qassam Brigades, the military wing of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), said Zionist prisoner Judy Fanstein died of serious injuries sustained along with another prisoner after shelling a month ago.

He added that the prisoner was killed for not receiving intensive medical care due to the enemy's destruction of hospitals in the Gaza Strip.

Addressing the general Israelis, especially the families of prisoners, Abu Obeida stressed that "it is your army's destruction of hospitals and their removal from service is what caused the suffering and death of your families, and this is what our people suffer."

https://www.aljazeera.net/news/live...31604;&%231609;

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
the israeli security establishment is going to Egypt to sign their surrender

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Yedioth Ahronoth: Israeli delegation including members of the Mossad, the Shin Bet and the army arrives in Cairo

An Israeli delegation, including members of the Foreign Intelligence Service (Mossad), the Shin Bet and the military, arrived in Cairo to negotiate a new exchange deal, after the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) approved the draft Qatari-Egyptian proposal for the agreement, Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper said.

https://www.aljazeera.net/news/live...31604;&%231609;

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




1000 years ago europeans built a colonial kingdom in jerusalem and held it for the relatively short amount of time it took for the local turkic empire to counter their reliance on shock cavalry and capitalize on their institutional and leadership rot. 200ish years.

hamas and the resistance are speedrunning the end of israel by comparison, now 75ish years in and all of israels poo poo like tanks and interceptors are already getting clowned on by cheaper, more plentiful munitions and tactics and israel is tearing itself apart.

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Shageletic posted:

The founder of Hamas believed In a peaceful dialogu until Israel tortured him then tortured his son while so that he could hear it.

E: scratch that his 16 yr old son was tortured in front of him

http://www.miftah.org/display.cfm?DocId=3395&CategoryId=5

quote:

Sheikh Yassin had gone to lecture at the Gaza University which gave us the opportunity to have a look around his lounge-cum-office.

*eye twitch*

"Hold it together..."

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

euphronius posted:

why is the CIA negotiating ceasefires lol. oh well

The state department has no capacity to conduct diplomacy. So under Biden the CIA fills in. Under Trump it was Exxon

Valleyant
Jul 23, 2007

That darn catte
hi im egpyt and im just a widdle guy just a birthday boy ooooh i cant get involved

Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable
It feels very .... disconnected from reality that the press are openly releasing how the CIA director is personally doing the middle man negotiations with Hamas as if that isn't the most insane poo poo that would make Tom Clancy blush.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
The director of the CIA comes out when the US gives a poo poo, back in the 1980s Casey showed up to Saudi Arabia and immediately after oil prices cratered as the Saudis ramped up production.

SuperKlaus
Oct 20, 2005


Fun Shoe

Ardennes posted:

Yeah, it comes down to Bibi, it looked like he was getting trapped into having to take a deal and escalated as normal. I don't think the IDF is actually that excited about the operation, considering how past campaigns went. That said, the Biden administration is quite silent and honestly probably approved this, they want this thing "wrapped up" one way or another before the Cape of Good Hope becomes a serious issue.

You refer to shipping have to deal with the Cape of Good Hope in the rough season due to continued interdiction from Ansar Allah, right? So would this even work for the Biden regime? If tomorrow Israel somehow killed every single Palestinian inside its borders, what would Ansar Allah do? I would think the answer wouldn't be to wrap it up because all the locals are dead; I would think the interdictions would continue until Israel is dissolved, either just for pure vengeance or to allow Palestinian diaspora back to their homeland.

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


breadshaped posted:

So what happened to egypts angry posturing that rafah would be their red line?

the head CIA guy has already been to Egypt in the past week to remind them to stay in the doghouse when things pop off

Sancho Banana
Aug 4, 2023

Not to be confused with meat.
"Gallant: 'the activity in Rafah won't stop until the destruction of Hamas in the city - or the return of the first hostage to Israel'"

https://twitter.com/newsisrael13/status/1787860228924481983?t=GaIm5tCqoMmMTPXveGRXrw&s=19

That's a pretty huge "or"

Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable
Increasingly curious why they keep pretending to code everything around the concept of "complete elimination of hamas". Is it supposed to be taken at face value, that they think after all this poo poo they'll be able to just plant a new Palestinian cuck authority in Gaza and have corroborators running the concentration camps?

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

Asproigerosis posted:

Increasingly curious why they keep pretending to code everything around the concept of "complete elimination of hamas". Is it supposed to be taken at face value, that they think after all this poo poo they'll be able to just plant a new Palestinian cuck authority in Gaza and have corroborators running the concentration camps?

they're aware they will never eliminate hamas, and so it's a perfect fig leaf for unlimited genocide.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
lol what a headline from aljazeera

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BREAKING | Israeli Justice Minister: No one tells us information about war developments and all the information I get by watching Aljazeera

https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2024...31581;&%231583;

The Alchemist
Dec 12, 2010
There are israeli ministers in this very thread trying to keep up with the news feed

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



If they're openly reporting that Israel broke from the CIA deal, it's the biggest public US/Israeli schism since that marine general walked out.

The public are aware that Israel doesn't want peace, won't listen to (CIA flavored) reason, give no fucks about the hostages, and yearn only for Palestinian blood.

There's no way to get that mask to go back on, but they'll try after Netanyahu's replaced.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
netanyahu pooping his pamps

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Netanyahu: Hamas proposal far from Israel's demands

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu:

Hamas’s proposal is far from the necessary demands for Israel.

The aim of yesterday’s proposal is to torpedo the entry of our troops into Rafah and this did not happen.

We will not allow Hamas to rebuild its military capabilities.

Israel will not allow Hamas to regain power in the Gaza Strip.

Our entry into Rafah is a very important step.

https://www.aljazeera.net/news/live...31604;&%231609;

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

I think it’s equally possible American blocks are working at cross purposes . also

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

moths posted:

If they're openly reporting that Israel broke from the CIA deal, it's the biggest public US/Israeli schism since that marine general walked out.

The public are aware that Israel doesn't want peace, won't listen to (CIA flavored) reason, give no fucks about the hostages, and yearn only for Palestinian blood.

There's no way to get that mask to go back on, but they'll try after Netanyahu's replaced.

what schism? Biden is a zionist maniac, he will never punish israel.

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


Al-Saqr posted:

netanyahu pooping his pamps

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Netanyahu: Hamas proposal far from Israel's demands

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu:

Hamas’s proposal is far from the necessary demands for Israel.

The aim of yesterday’s proposal is to torpedo the entry of our troops into Rafah and this did not happen.

We will not allow Hamas to rebuild its military capabilities.

Israel will not allow Hamas to regain power in the Gaza Strip.

Our entry into Rafah is a very important step.

https://www.aljazeera.net/news/live...31604;&%231609;

the hamas peace torpedo

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Hatebag posted:

the hamas peace torpedo

Hamas VIOLENTLY RAPES war plans with EVIL BARBARIC please plan agreement

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

The us has done nothing but give Israel unlimited diplomatic support and military support I’m not seeing any schism


Like beyond made up worthless pr articles from axios about how mad genocide Joe is (privately)

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

euphronius posted:

why is the CIA negotiating ceasefires lol. oh well

Our Secretary of State is an incompetent Mossad agent so they send the CIA director when they need to do actual high level diplomacy.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
Every day the tenets of JDPON seem wiser.

youcallthatatwist
Sep 22, 2013
Ppl have understandably forgotten about this but very early on there was a letter from like, the Blue Dog War Hawk Caucus saying "hey uh unconditional support to Israel seems like... a real bad idea rn"

As leftists we tend to treat the state like it's a singular all-powerful entity but there's plenty of signs that it's a bunch of humans making stupid, petty human decisions. The problem is that the democratic establishment has surgically removed all of its institutional memory and behaves fully reactively, and none of the people who get how bad things have gotten are able or willing to stand up to the leadership

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
yeah sure thing independent :jerkbag:

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Independent: Biden withholding weapons from Israel is now a possibility

A U.S. official was quoted by the British Independent as saying that withholding offensive weapons from Israel is no longer out of the question for the administration of US President Joe Biden.

https://www.aljazeera.net/news/live...31604;&%231609;

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Hamas rockets not slowing down and not running out this far into the war is incredible

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Israel's Channel 12: 30 rockets fired towards Gaza's envelope

Israel’s Channel 12 said about 30 rockets were fired today from Gaza towards the Gaza Strip’s envelope.

https://www.aljazeera.net/news/live...31604;&%231609;

Injuryprone
Sep 26, 2007

Speak up, there's something in my ear.

Al-Saqr posted:

yeah sure thing independent :jerkbag:

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Independent: Biden withholding weapons from Israel is now a possibility

A U.S. official was quoted by the British Independent as saying that withholding offensive weapons from Israel is no longer out of the question for the administration of US President Joe Biden.

https://www.aljazeera.net/news/live...31604;&%231609;

Whoops, all defensive.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Al-Saqr posted:

yeah sure thing independent :jerkbag:

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Independent: Biden withholding weapons from Israel is now a possibility

A U.S. official was quoted by the British Independent as saying that withholding offensive weapons from Israel is no longer out of the question for the administration of US President Joe Biden.

https://www.aljazeera.net/news/live...31604;&%231609;

it might be true (because they're run out)

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Al-Saqr posted:

yeah sure thing independent :jerkbag:

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Independent: Biden withholding weapons from Israel is now a possibility

A U.S. official was quoted by the British Independent as saying that withholding offensive weapons from Israel is no longer out of the question for the administration of US President Joe Biden.

https://www.aljazeera.net/news/live...31604;&%231609;

This is probably yet another leak from the admin doing damage control behind Biden's back

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

VoicesCanBe posted:

This is probably yet another leak from the admin doing damage control behind Biden's back

They have done these as well multiple times

Zohar
Jul 14, 2013

Good kitty

genericnick posted:

The state department has no capacity to conduct diplomacy. So under Biden the CIA fills in. Under Trump it was Exxon

also capacity aside blinken just seems like a personally incompetent yes-man

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Asproigerosis posted:

Increasingly curious why they keep pretending to code everything around the concept of "complete elimination of hamas". Is it supposed to be taken at face value, that they think after all this poo poo they'll be able to just plant a new Palestinian cuck authority in Gaza and have corroborators running the concentration camps?

because they know theyve activated the average burger's brown terrorist coding and can now just treat them like al qaeda.
This is forever war rhetoric thought up in the 90s and forged in the 00s.

History doesnt exist, hamas appared one day out of the aether like demons from hell.

hmhb fan
Feb 4, 2024
I've noticed all the coverage the Ukrainian famine/'Holodomor' got for a couple of years as being a Russian genocide has dried up since the food-water blockade in famine in Gaza started.

Can't imagine we'll ever know why that is.

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


hmhb fan posted:

I've noticed all the coverage the Ukrainian famine/'Holodomor' got for a couple of years as being a Russian genocide has dried up since the food-water blockade in famine in Gaza started.

Can't imagine we'll ever know why that is.

Yeah it's pretty hard to say "x/y/z was a genocide intentionally carried out by this authoritarian government, and we're better than them so we'd never do that" when you're funding one

TeenageArchipelago has issued a correction as of 17:35 on May 7, 2024

Morbus
May 18, 2004

Rip Testes posted:

Limited in what regard?

limited in how much of a poo poo egypt gives

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Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Hamas is rocketing israels military base in Re'im

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‎Al-Qassam bombs Ra'im base‎
‎The al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), announced that it had shelled with a batch of rockets the Israeli military base in the Gaza Strip.‎

https://www.aljazeera.net/news/live...?update=6518911

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