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cruft posted:FML I'm posting in the Windows 11 thread again. bluetooth headsets in windows is a shitshow as it doesnt support high quality in both directions, I just use a bo headset that is for xbox with the xbox adapter or plug it in.
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May 8, 2024 01:13
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May 8, 2024 02:51
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It’s be cool if you could browse your file system in Edge. Couldn’t you do that in like IE 4 (and probably earlier)?
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May 8, 2024 02:53
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you also used to be able to browse the internet in the file explorer
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May 8, 2024 02:55
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Last Chance posted:It’s be cool if you could browse your file system in Edge. Couldn’t you do that in like IE 4 (and probably earlier)? You can use it to browse Microsoft One Drive. That is where all your files are... right?
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May 8, 2024 02:55
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Celexi posted:bluetooth headsets in windows is a shitshow as it doesnt support high quality in both directions, I just use a bo headset that is for xbox with the xbox adapter or plug it in. At this point I'd be happy with any quality in both directions. Is there a way to do that? All I can get is speakers, no mic.
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May 8, 2024 02:56
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Out of curiosity, would you (if that's your screenshot) say you use edge (matching 'internet explorer') more than the file explorer?
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May 8, 2024 03:12
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astral posted:Out of curiosity, would you (if that's your screenshot) say you use edge (matching 'internet explorer') more than the file explorer? No. I've probably used edge twice on this computer.
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May 8, 2024 03:49
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cruft posted:At this point I'd be happy with any quality in both directions. Is there a way to do that? All I can get is speakers, no mic. Have you tried forgetting and re-pairing the headset?
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May 8, 2024 05:39
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I think the answer is, don't try to use a wireless headset with Windows, that doesn't have its own dedicated USB dongle. But also, check if the headset manufacturer has any kind of control panel software.
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May 8, 2024 06:08
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I use Bluetooth earpieces and headphones with Windows 10 like literally every day, and it's fine. I haven't spent that much time in 11, but the times I've used them on a machine running it the behavior has been fine. 
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May 8, 2024 06:57
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nielsm posted:I think the answer is, don't try to use a wireless headset with Windows, that doesn't have its own dedicated USB dongle. I've run into issues with my dongle based headset too, kept getting number increments presumably because it was being plugged into different USB hubs at various times and then one of the three virtual devices disabled itself for no apparent reason. Uninstall and reinstall is a good first step for any headset related issues, dongle or not.
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May 8, 2024 07:30
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I bought the Microsoft XBox Headset and the dongle suffers from USB3 interference. I just gave up and use two headsets; that one for high quality listening and a Plantronics for meetings.
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May 8, 2024 07:58
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cruft posted:FML I'm posting in the Windows 11 thread again. Yeah you're on point, you need "headset" as both input and output device, because the headphones mode tell the thing to switch to no mic protocol. This happened to me with bluetooth before. Go to Bluetooth & devices and remove the thing and try pairing it again. Switching the bluetooth antenna off and on as well as the device before pairing it again. This problem is as common on w10 which I use for work.
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May 8, 2024 10:48
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Yeah I've tried unpairing and re-pairing; I've tried removing the device from Device Manager everywhere I could find it (5 sections) and rebooting; I've tried using the USB cable, I've tried using the dongle included with the headset. I've twiddled every setting I could find under Settings, and everything in the Control Panel sound thingy. Today I'm going to try removing the entire Bluetooth device driver. Something interesting I found last night on the Chromebook is that even with the USB cable, this headset falls back to mono when you enable the microphone. So somehow, maybe just internally, it can't do stereo speakers + mono mic: it only handles two audio channels. But I also ordered a new wired headset last night.  I also discovered last night that our work forum has a couple other people reporting what sounds like the same problem after moving to Windows 11. So I wrote up everything I knew about it, linked to that form, and sent it to the tech desk. Maybe if they see this is problematic for a larger percentage of users they'll do more than tell me to buy a new headset. cruft fucked around with this message at 15:04 on May 8, 2024 |
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May 8, 2024 15:02
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Is it a headset from a brand big enough to have an app that can change the settings in the device and do firmware updates?
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May 8, 2024 15:43
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Well it turns out the IT desk actually knows about this and the fix is to update the Realtek audio driver. So now the Bluetooth headset will work with the included dongle, or with the USB cable. It'd be spiffarino if it worked with straight up Bluetooth, but I can live with this. e: I think the thing that makes Windows so personally infuriating is that I knew what the problem was (wrong Bluetooth device profile) but the OS provides no mechanism for me to fix it, or even validate my guess. Instead I have to click through random poo poo and make wild guesses about how to translate the friendly UI into the actual back-end technological resolution. I remember the day that Internet Explorer stopped showing my 500 HTTP error pages and I had to completely redesign every web application to dump a ton of whitespace in order to force it to display error messages used to debug problems. cruft fucked around with this message at 17:37 on May 8, 2024 |
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May 8, 2024 17:14
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Update: installing an updated "Intel Bluetooth Driver" from HP's support web site has the headset working without a dongle. I've informed our tech desk. So... Symptom: my bluetooth headset microphone is suddenly not working (no option in Teams or other sound apps to use the mic) when previously it worked Fix (for me): update the "Realtek Audio Effects Component" (under Audio Processing Objects in Device Manager), and the Intel(R) Wireless Bluetooth(R) driver (under Bluetooth in Device Manager) Good luck!
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May 8, 2024 20:18
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cruft posted:Fix (for me): update the "Realtek Audio Effects Component" (under Audio Processing Objects in Device Manager) lol I was wondering why updating a realtek audio driver would fix your bluetooth, given that bluetooth audio isn't processed by the sound card. Not that I didn't believe, because realtek, but I was wondering how. that explains it, the audio effects driver is loving with all audio on the system. ITT post the most ins anely realtek troubleshooting fixes
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May 8, 2024 21:15
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Klyith posted:that explains it, the audio effects driver is loving with all audio on the system. I probably don't event want to know what the hell an "audio effects driver" is. But my black-box debugging leads me to believe that Win11 changed how it does audio. In Win10 it seems like a dual-mode device would show up as two devices: one for stereo playback, and one for mono+mic. Even on USB. In Win11 it looks like they're trying to have just one device, and it's up to the Bluetooth driver (or audio effects driver I guess) to make a final determination about what mode to request from the hardware. So I guess I had Win11 with Win10 drivers, and when something called for the mic, the OS was like "yo driver, give me a mic", which the driver did, but then the OS was like "yo driver I also need audio" and the driver would switch the profile back to stereo. Now, presumably, the driver keeps track of the fact that the mic is in use, and doesn't switch back to a stereo profile. This is all wild guessing. I hate that this is probably the most detail I'll ever know about what's going on. I miss Linux. The part I hate the most is that I probably spent less time debugging this than I would have spent debugging a similar issue on Linux. And at the end of the day, nobody cares whether I know all kinds of trivia about Bluetooth profiles: they just want my TPS reports.
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May 8, 2024 21:24
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I've found that a community made Linux distro with steam on top of it has been more consistent than Windows 11 on my rog ally. I know how to make windows behave, my job is bending the will of 160k+ windows devices to serve my corporate overlords, but it's freakin exhausting.
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May 8, 2024 22:26
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I fixed my sound issue in Arch and I've been maining it for the last couple of weeks 
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May 8, 2024 22:38
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Tiny Timbs posted:I fixed my sound issue in Arch and I've been maining it for the last couple of weeks Condolences.
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May 9, 2024 00:55
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Klyith posted:lol I was wondering why updating a realtek audio driver would fix your bluetooth, given that bluetooth audio isn't processed by the sound card. Not that I didn't believe, because realtek, but I was wondering how. Realtek audio drivers can cause video card hangups, even
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May 9, 2024 02:42
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I think my realtek audio driver got expunged from existence after trying to do multiple windows updates at once. I tried to reinstall the audio drivers, but nothing shows up under the device manager each time, not even as an unknown device. The result of having no audio driver installed is that plugging in headphones into the audio jack results in strange behavior such as maxing the pc volume immediately (pointlessly), or doing the opposite and sinking the volume infinitely if you try to raise the volume. Also acting weird if you twist the audio jack. Usb headphones work fine though. 
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May 9, 2024 08:32
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So Bluetooth is garbage on windows. Bluetooth is also famously garbage on Linux, I had a friend deep dive into bad audio quality over Bluetooth on Linux and how there are just some fundamental problems. I've had a bunch of headaches on both OSes and mostly just keep things wired now because of it all. And I don't know, but that and my experiences with Bluetooth kinda make me wonder, maybe Bluetooth itself is just kinda garbage? It just seems near universally bad.
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May 9, 2024 09:15
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it's always been poo poo everywhere, yes
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May 9, 2024 09:18
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BrainDance posted:So Bluetooth is garbage on windows. Bluetooth is also famously garbage on Linux, I had a friend deep dive into bad audio quality over Bluetooth on Linux and how there are just some fundamental problems. I've had a bunch of headaches on both OSes and mostly just keep things wired now because of it all. It's just a bunch of overlapping standards the hw manufacturers are not keeping up with while having to keep backwards compatibility.
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May 9, 2024 09:31
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BrainDance posted:So Bluetooth is garbage on windows. Bluetooth is also famously garbage on Linux, I had a friend deep dive into bad audio quality over Bluetooth on Linux and how there are just some fundamental problems. I've had a bunch of headaches on both OSes and mostly just keep things wired now because of it all. I read a bunch of background on it it's a ridiculously bloated and overly complex standard. Not that linux is usually fast to catch up on new tech but the ongoing difficulties with it does a pretty good job revealing what tech by committee does. Same thing happened with OAuth2.
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May 9, 2024 10:27
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Nolgthorn posted:I read a bunch of background on it it's a ridiculously bloated and overly complex standard. Not that linux is usually fast to catch up on new tech but the ongoing difficulties with it does a pretty good job revealing what tech by committee does. Seconding this take: I also have learned more about Bluetooth than I ever wanted to, and it's awful.
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May 9, 2024 16:20
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cruft posted:Seconding this take: I also have learned more about Bluetooth than I ever wanted to, and it's awful. Thirding this: I wrote a Bluetooth driver for FreeRTOS ages past and god drat it is a lovely system.
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May 9, 2024 18:45
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Volguus posted:Thirding this: I wrote a Bluetooth driver for FreeRTOS ages past and god drat it is a lovely system. fourthing this: did a lot of work on a LE integration that had to be cross-mobile compatible and even with all those thousands of loving words of standard you still have to look at stack overflow for what different phone manus require
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May 13, 2024 03:29
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Nolgthorn posted:Same thing happened with OAuth2.
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May 14, 2024 02:35
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Aunt Beth posted:I’m just here for the OAUTH2 hate Hell yeah brother, someone else who actually looked at how that works.
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May 14, 2024 13:07
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Nolgthorn posted:Hell yeah brother, someone else who actually looked at how that works. I tried and gave up, does that count?
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May 14, 2024 13:54
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Part of me wants someone to find an exploit in that massive pile of spaghetti but the rest of me knows when that happens they'll just add more spaghetti.
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May 14, 2024 14:05
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Nolgthorn posted:Hell yeah brother, someone else who actually looked at how that works.
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May 14, 2024 17:37
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Nolgthorn posted:Same thing happened with OAuth2. What's not to like? Aunt Beth posted:SAML is my ride or die XML sucks though 
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May 15, 2024 22:23
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Gucci Loafers posted:
Wut? Am I missing a joke?
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OAuth3 should use YAML
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