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SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020


Not done yet by any means (just did basecoats and washes so far, still have to clean up after the wash and do highlights) but I think I've landed on a scheme for my vet guard kill team. At least for the guys themselves, the base is much harder to get right.
Now to figure out how to highlight Hull Red in a way I can reproduce consistently across 20 models that aren't batch painted together...

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NinjaDebugger
Apr 22, 2008


nessin posted:

Anyone familiar with the Jo Sonja line of paint?

When I bought my first bottles of paint (outside of Game Xpress and Speedpaint 2.0 to try out that specific style) I went with some Pro Acryl and Scale75. But as I only bought what I thought I'd need but actually didn't really know what I needed, mostly just buying something I thought I'd need but it turns out it didn't match the color in my mind or not realizing some small part was supposed to be a different thing than what I'd planned on using for that part, I thought if I'm going to do this long term I should just properly learn some basic color mixing and stick with a small subset of paints. Which then led to the rabbit hole of pigments and challenges of mixing miniature paints beyond simple highlights. Has been fun to learn even if nothing else and now I'm thinking of getting some Golden SoFlat paints (I did buy their cheaper starter set of six paints already) but while I was debating buying more I found a reference on reddit to using Jo Sonja paints, and have only found a couple other instances of people referencing them in conjunction with painting miniatures. Normally I'd just dismiss it at that point, but Jo Sonja paints are pretty drat cheap and appear (from the few discussions I found) to be of higher quality than basic cheap hobby craft paint. Considering the price of the Golden SoFlat small bottles if the Jo Sonja paints are passable if not especially great then I'll take it as a new painter considering the difference.

Jo Sonja magic mix is good stuff, but their colors are only okay, at best. Golden paints are absolutely worth it, and you don't need SoFlat at all, their heavy body works great in general. The best places to get them, ime, are Jerry's Artarama for new tubes, and ebay for lots of barely used stuff. I got over a hundred big tubes of heavy body for a hundred and fifty bucks, and even with duplicates it was less than two bucks a tube. I added six or so tubes to cover holes the collection didn't have and have never looked back.

Alternatively, DaVinci makes high quality acrylics in liquid and heavy body that aren't Golden (because DaVinci's primarily about watercolor) but are also substantially better than Jo Sonja, and are quite affordable, especially on sale.

Engorged Pedipalps
Apr 21, 2023
Just finished this



Some more I could do but I have been painting it for so long and I'm ready to put it on the shelf

mellonbread
Dec 20, 2017
That's cool. Are the horns coming out of the eye sockets?

Engorged Pedipalps
Apr 21, 2023

mellonbread posted:

That's cool. Are the horns coming out of the eye sockets?

Yeah, really drew me to the model. Very cool, very weird.

Colliwobble
Feb 23, 2014
Figured I'd drop in to post a couple of models I've painted recently.







muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
longtime Gundam guy here, bought my first warhammer guys (grey knight terminators) and looking forward to painting them. Everyone's minis here look so good, I can't wait to get started learning to do hand painting for minis :)

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

muike posted:

longtime Gundam guy here, bought my first warhammer guys (grey knight terminators) and looking forward to painting them. Everyone's minis here look so good, I can't wait to get started learning to do hand painting for minis :)

one of us

one of us

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

muike posted:

longtime Gundam guy here, bought my first warhammer guys (grey knight terminators) and looking forward to painting them. Everyone's minis here look so good, I can't wait to get started learning to do hand painting for minis :)

It's a very different set of skills, particularly for figures. I've seen some of the Japanese gundam makers who make absolutely stunning gundams but when it comes to painting small scale figures their stuff looks very beginner level by comparison. It's like Golden Demon level gundam paired with a barely tabletop standard pilot/crew figure.

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
Thanks guys, the local Warhammer shop guys were incredibly helpful. Grew up hanging out in a store that was all about model trains so hopefully I absorbed some of that. Wish I still had my airbrush!

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Brush is the way- let us know if you have questions!

Radiation Cow
Oct 23, 2010

Colliwobble posted:

Figured I'd drop in to post a couple of models I've painted recently.









Yes, love the BONEZONE posts. And an orc, I guess.

ro5s
Dec 27, 2012

A happy little mouse!

More GSC, rounding out a democharge acolyte squad


And finishing off the first 20 neophyte squad


This guy was going to be a democharge acolyte, but I like him enough to upgrade him to reductus saboteur


And then an acolyte iconward


I keep having this idea of doing something with the vitruvian man since it sort of looks like it's got 4 arms so it seems like it'd be a good fit for GSC. However it turns out Leonardo da Vinci is a slightly better artist than I am, so my ropey attempt got replaced with the standard GSC worm :v:


Then I did some Old World. Retvrn to goblin green




And some new beef for my orcs since giants were awful in all the old editions

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

I'm trying to do something with a somewhat more complex base for the first time (it's a 40k knight, feels like a crime not to go at least a bit ham on the base), and I'm a bit unsure about the best order of operations. Basically, this is the base as I have it so far (the knight is not yet glued on):


The idea is to put a milimetre or two of earth/soil texture paint (AK Dark Earth) everywhere that's currently uncovered, and then some foliage to taste. The tricky part is leaving space for the knight's feet to preferably glue directly to the base itself. Is it feasible to temporarily fix the knight into place, squish the texture paint all around the feet, let it dry, and then carefully remove it without damaging the imprint/space of the foot? Or would I be better off doing 90% of the base first, then gluing the knight into place, and then adding the last bit around the feet? Any particular pitfalls or tricks to watch out for?

NinjaDebugger
Apr 22, 2008


Perestroika posted:

I'm trying to do something with a somewhat more complex base for the first time (it's a 40k knight, feels like a crime not to go at least a bit ham on the base), and I'm a bit unsure about the best order of operations. Basically, this is the base as I have it so far (the knight is not yet glued on):


The idea is to put a milimetre or two of earth/soil texture paint (AK Dark Earth) everywhere that's currently uncovered, and then some foliage to taste. The tricky part is leaving space for the knight's feet to preferably glue directly to the base itself. Is it feasible to temporarily fix the knight into place, squish the texture paint all around the feet, let it dry, and then carefully remove it without damaging the imprint/space of the foot? Or would I be better off doing 90% of the base first, then gluing the knight into place, and then adding the last bit around the feet? Any particular pitfalls or tricks to watch out for?

You're going to be 100% better off laying down the full base and then drilling through it to pin the knight, I'm sorry. I do the smush-paste-around bit on battlmechs and I only do that if I'm not reasonably able to remove them from the base for a reason. It's definitely a thing you can do, but if you intend to use this thing, you're going to want to pin it.

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

Perestroika posted:

I'm trying to do something with a somewhat more complex base for the first time (it's a 40k knight, feels like a crime not to go at least a bit ham on the base), and I'm a bit unsure about the best order of operations. Basically, this is the base as I have it so far (the knight is not yet glued on):


The idea is to put a milimetre or two of earth/soil texture paint (AK Dark Earth) everywhere that's currently uncovered, and then some foliage to taste. The tricky part is leaving space for the knight's feet to preferably glue directly to the base itself. Is it feasible to temporarily fix the knight into place, squish the texture paint all around the feet, let it dry, and then carefully remove it without damaging the imprint/space of the foot? Or would I be better off doing 90% of the base first, then gluing the knight into place, and then adding the last bit around the feet? Any particular pitfalls or tricks to watch out for?

I'd say mark the outline of the footprints on the base and apply texture while staying out of those lines

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Perestroika posted:

I'm trying to do something with a somewhat more complex base for the first time (it's a 40k knight, feels like a crime not to go at least a bit ham on the base), and I'm a bit unsure about the best order of operations. Basically, this is the base as I have it so far (the knight is not yet glued on):


The idea is to put a milimetre or two of earth/soil texture paint (AK Dark Earth) everywhere that's currently uncovered, and then some foliage to taste. The tricky part is leaving space for the knight's feet to preferably glue directly to the base itself. Is it feasible to temporarily fix the knight into place, squish the texture paint all around the feet, let it dry, and then carefully remove it without damaging the imprint/space of the foot? Or would I be better off doing 90% of the base first, then gluing the knight into place, and then adding the last bit around the feet? Any particular pitfalls or tricks to watch out for?

Wrap feet in clingfilm/masking film/masking tape. Apply texture to entire base, smush down, let dry then tease apart.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
Put down a thin layer of green stuff. Wet the bottoms of your Knight feet and and smash the feet down onto it to shape the green stuff into decent anchorpoints. Smooth the bases out a little (or flare them up to create ridges to make it look like ground pressure is digging the knight feet into the earth.

I went a little overboard when I did that for my Chaos Knight, but I didn't want to pin it and wanted to make sure it had a solid connection.

Ominous Jazz
Jun 15, 2011

Big D is chillin' over here
Wasteland style
is greenstuff naturally sticky or do you have to glue

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

Ominous Jazz posted:

is greenstuff naturally sticky or do you have to glue

As the main cause of my frequent failures with using it: oh yes, it's sticky.

Ominous Jazz
Jun 15, 2011

Big D is chillin' over here
Wasteland style
i got one of the green stuff rollers to make space egyptian bases for my space napoleonic guards and have been too nervous to get the actual green stuff

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Ominous Jazz posted:

is greenstuff naturally sticky or do you have to glue

Depends on the surface. It has some grab and it's quite sticky against itself or a porous surface but you can peel if off smooth plastic and metal easily if you flex the part a little. It's also much more sticky if you mix in more of the yellow. It becomes less and less sticky as it cures.

Also if you use especially oily lubes like vaseline it can stop the greenstuff binding against itself and your sculpts can split apart.

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

This is all really helpful input, thanks! Time to drop by the lgs and see about some more supplies.

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!
Ohh, I was wondering how to adhere models to 3d-printed bases with uneven surfaces, sounds like greenstuff might work.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Kylaer posted:

Ohh, I was wondering how to adhere models to 3d-printed bases with uneven surfaces, sounds like greenstuff might work.

If you want something that has a little less structure UV resin grabs a bit faster.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
The evergreen answer to any "how do I stick to a base" question is pinning

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Eej posted:

The evergreen answer to any "how do I stick to a base" question is pinning

Resin printed figures with 2mm ankles and feet laugh at your "pinning"

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Gravity is going to have the last laugh there.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

Ominous Jazz posted:

is greenstuff naturally sticky or do you have to glue

Green Stuff is sticky but you still want to use glue. It doesn't really contract when it dries, but if the surface isn't very rough (like most GW bases) the adhesion won't be very strong. That said, it really doesn't take much.

I usually put a tiny drop down and then spread the Green Stuff over it. It's fairly easy to work with, especially right after mixing, just be sure to keep your tools wet. Green Stuff doesn't dissolve in water and it also doesn't stick to wet surfaces, so if it starts to cling to something you don't want (like your texture roller), you can wet either the surface of the green stuff or the roller.

grassy gnoll
Aug 27, 2006

The pawsting business is tough work.
For USians, Spraygunner is running a $50 off promotion for their specialty H&S Infinity lines. You can get a Chameleon 2023, Kyiv or Giraldez version for a bit cheaper with the checkout code 34V28ZEEYVJM.

They still aren't cheap, but fifty bucks is fifty bucks.

Bucnasti
Aug 14, 2012

I'll Fetch My Sarcasm Robes

Z the IVth posted:

Resin printed figures with 2mm ankles and feet laugh at your "pinning"

When I print my guard infantry, I add a pin in the form of a 1mm wide cylinder to the bottom of their feet in blender, then drill a 1mm hold in my plastic bases. No need to drill into the resin and it securely holds.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

Oh no!😱

Ominous Jazz posted:

is greenstuff naturally sticky or do you have to glue

Its sticky while its curing, so for example with your texture roller you might want to dampen it with water a little to reduce that. Similarly if you are sculpting it you might want to keep some water nearby so you can wet the tip of the sculpting tool. I've used a thin coating of vegetable oil when I made a greenstuff press mould so that the (soft) greenstuff doesnt stick to the greenstuff mould, that would probably work on the texture roller too. It can also be helpful to work on some parchment paper (or a mirror/similar flat sheet of glass as long as you are careful not to y'know, shatter the glass) if you are planning on rolling a strip of greenstuff then cutting it to fit a base or something like that. Once the greenstuff cures I find how much it remains stuck to whatever depends on how rough the surface is.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Bucnasti posted:

When I print my guard infantry, I add a pin in the form of a 1mm wide cylinder to the bottom of their feet in blender, then drill a 1mm hold in my plastic bases. No need to drill into the resin and it securely holds.

Unfortunately I get ppl to print for me so it's always a bit of an imposition to get them to modify the stls.

Goes to show how little thought most stl creators give to the practical function of their creations. So many nice models that are unusable because they can't be attached to a base at all because there is too little surface area under their feet.

Bucnasti
Aug 14, 2012

I'll Fetch My Sarcasm Robes

Z the IVth posted:

Unfortunately I get ppl to print for me so it's always a bit of an imposition to get them to modify the stls.

Goes to show how little thought most stl creators give to the practical function of their creations. So many nice models that are unusable because they can't be attached to a base at all because there is too little surface area under their feet.

Yeah makes me miss minis with tabs to fit into slotta bases.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Z the IVth posted:

Unfortunately I get ppl to print for me so it's always a bit of an imposition to get them to modify the stls.

Goes to show how little thought most stl creators give to the practical function of their creations. So many nice models that are unusable because they can't be attached to a base at all because there is too little surface area under their feet.

That being said, OPR has been moving to chunkier minis ever since the Blessed Sisters caused way more printing support calls than they figured was necessary.

It's caused no end of complaints every time they release a new army because slim highly detailed minis look amazing in renders. and good table top minis look worse in renders than in print

edit: comparison, old pic missing High Elf:



Pretty sure since I took this, at least one of these miniatures are broken off at the ankles.

Jonny Nox fucked around with this message at 02:45 on May 11, 2024

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?
Haven't finished many models in the last while. I keep starting em and the. goi g off to do videogame work. Anyway I'm working on an Olden Demon for fun with one of the first minis I ever got in 96 for my 9th birthday.



Stripping 28 year old paint off a pewter mini ended up taking longer than it will to paint the fucker!

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Z the IVth posted:

Resin printed figures with 2mm ankles and feet laugh at your "pinning"

A 1/64" drill bit is also called a #78 or a .4mm.

Nebalebadingdong
Jun 30, 2005

i made a video game.
why not give it a try!?
painted an ice base




Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Cease to Hope posted:

A 1/64" drill bit is also called a #78 or a .4mm.

Past a certain point even if you could drill it the remaining material isn't sturdy enough to hold everything together and it fractures around the pin. Resin doesn't have the tensile strength of metal or plastic sadly.

Jonny Nox posted:

It's caused no end of complaints every time they release a new army because slim highly detailed minis look amazing in renders. and good table top minis look worse in renders than in print

It's actually very obvious which digital sculptors have a modicum of physical sculpting/casting experience and which ones have come from a purely digital background.

Unfortunately good looking renders appear to sell well despite being absolutely miserable (or impossible) to handle in reality.

I recently got some White Werewolf Tavern stuff which looked beautiful in render but started falling apart the second I unwrapped if since all the parts were so fine and even touching the sculpts wrong would cause them to break.

I've had to start looking for intentionally "chunky" minis on render since they inevitably end up less chunky in real life.

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Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Nebalebadingdong posted:

painted an ice base





How did you paint that ice base? Looks fantastic.

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