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code:quote:Intel has released an official statement regarding the 13th & 14th gen recommended Intel default settings. There’s no ‘Baseline” profile for the K-SKU parts. There's an “Extreme” 253W PL1/PL2 profile and a “Performance” PL1 125W/PL2 253W profile. The Extreme profile is what we just tested, the performance profile could be much slower, depending on the workload. quote:Is the Asrock B660-HDV an 'Extreme' or 'Performance' profile board? Look it supports the 14900K and KS!
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Wait does that if I got a 14900K that there's a die roll that I should have gotten something as far back as 9th generation instead? Edit: Semiconductor pun not intended lol.
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May 9, 2024 15:11
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Most of the time you should just not have gotten motherboard A, B or C, because they run it outside of whatever frequency/voltage combo you need for basic stability, or can't provide enough power to run at intended speeds at all. Meanwhile, motherboards D, E and F might all run it rock solid because they keep more sane settings. Intel lets them all claim support because who has time to make a simple spec that motherboard makers should follow when they are too busy fighting a marketing battle over halo products that very few people would buy in the first place.
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May 9, 2024 19:38
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It's wild that Intel went from being a safe, stable and power efficient choice to this absolute cluster
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May 9, 2024 20:02
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From what I hear Gelsinger is slowly turning the ship in the right direction after the mess from previous management, so hopefully they will start getting new process nodes up and running soon-ish and not have to blast 200+W of power just to be sort of competitive at the high end.
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May 9, 2024 20:21
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HalloKitty posted:It's wild that Intel went from being a safe, stable and power efficient choice to this absolute cluster AMD also have their problems this generation with exploding CPUs, don't they? Kinda puts me in mind of the Snapdragon 808 and 810 chipsets nearly a decade ago. Bofast posted:From what I hear Gelsinger is slowly turning the ship in the right direction after the mess from previous management, so hopefully they will start getting new process nodes up and running soon-ish and not have to blast 200+W of power just to be sort of competitive at the high end. Any good reading on how Intel management messed up in the 2010s versus what the new CEO is doing now? I haven't a clue about the design and manufacture of CPUs but if it was related to poor business management that's probably more digestible for me.
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May 10, 2024 01:26
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in one word, investment Intel is functionally a research institution and has always had enormous sums of money go towards product development and fabrication tooling, but look at their recent financials and you will see that they have doubled down in a real way on investment in fabrication and new nodes, seemingly without restriction. when Pat said a few months ago that he was betting the future of Intel on the coming months and years, I actually believe that he's not kidding around.
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May 10, 2024 01:46
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To spell it out, this contrasts to the Intel run by career managers and accountants and finance wonks, to whom eternally pushing back the line between reinvestment and dividends is perfectly fine and totally sustainable forever.
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May 10, 2024 01:48
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Potato Salad posted:To spell it out, this contrasts to the Intel run by career managers and accountants and finance wonks, to whom eternally pushing back the line between reinvestment and dividends is perfectly fine and totally sustainable forever. I’ve sat through too many intel presentations where they spend 90 minutes saying absolutely nothing except the most superficial marketing fluff about a market segment the customer is a leader in
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May 10, 2024 02:28
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WattsvilleBlues posted:AMD also have their problems this generation with exploding CPUs, don't they? A little bit, but it wasn't a design defect like the 14900K. A couple mobo vendors shipped boards with juiced voltage based on "this is safe" info for the previous generation, which were not safe for the new one. Only a relative handful of CPUs got smoked, IIRC less than a dozen confirmed cases.
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May 10, 2024 02:47
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Potato Salad posted:in one word, investment If this doesn't work, Broadcom is going to buy Intel and pull a VMWare on them, which would be one hell of a wild ride. I do think Intel would still cashflow for years if they cut R&D to zero, which is what Broadcom does. https://www.techspot.com/news/102931-opinion-could-broadcom-buy-intel.html quote:The math seems to work. Broadcom last year generated $28 billion in semis revenue, at what we estimate is about 70% gross margins
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May 10, 2024 03:00
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Hurrrrrgh Broadcom is the loving worst.
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May 10, 2024 03:08
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They seem to actually care about their semi biz, compared to the enterprise software revenue factory
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Potato Salad posted:To spell it out, this contrasts to the Intel run by career managers and accountants and finance wonks, to whom eternally pushing back the line between reinvestment and dividends is perfectly fine and totally sustainable forever. Everyone knows that when you're in first place the sensible thing to do is keep juuuuust ahead of second place and aspire to no more; on an unrelated subject it's been a few hours since I've had a turn Scrooge McDucking through the company cocaine vault so,
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May 10, 2024 03:19
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in a well actually posted:They seem to actually care about their semi biz, compared to the enterprise software revenue factory They have a really bad rep in the semi biz too, for a while I worked for one of their main competition in the storage space and I would always hear from the sales and marketing guys how glad customers were that they had an option other than Broadcom to go with. Then we got bought by Microchip and they’re basically just a shittier wannabe version of Broadcom.
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"Customers are for squeezing, not pleasing." -Cygni, SomethingAwful Forums Poster and what i mean by that is you should hug them
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Twerk from Home posted:If this doesn't work, Broadcom is going to buy Intel and pull a VMWare on them, which would be one hell of a wild ride. I do think Intel would still cashflow for years if they cut R&D to zero, which is what Broadcom does. If anyone in western government is at all serious about what they say about China this would have to trigger a WWII era war production board style de facto nationalization of Intel, or at least the foundries. Regardless of whether Xi Jinping is going to invade Taiwan or whatever, the power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it. …apparently all threads are dune threads. The sand must flow hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 04:04 on May 10, 2024 |
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DoombatINC posted:Everyone knows that when you're in first place the sensible thing to do is keep juuuuust ahead of second place and aspire to no more; on an unrelated subject it's been a few hours since I've had a turn Scrooge McDucking through the company cocaine vault so, That's why you gotta give it to Nvidia, they keep churning generational wins while stomping AMD into the curb.
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hobbesmaster posted:If anyone in western government is at all serious about what they say about China this would have to trigger a WWII era war production board style de facto nationalization of Intel, or at least the foundries. Mind you, someone pulled a Harkonnen and made off with a bunch of their IP. Canned Sunshine posted:That's why you gotta give it to Nvidia, they keep churning generational wins while stomping AMD into the curb.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:And this is good for consumers how? They're not stalling progress solely because their competitor is so far behind; the impetus is on AMD to actually catch up, which if they can, will result in better pricing for customers.
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Klyith posted:A little bit, but it wasn't a design defect like the 14900K. A couple mobo vendors shipped boards with juiced voltage based on "this is safe" info for the previous generation, which were not safe for the new one. Only a relative handful of CPUs got smoked, IIRC less than a dozen confirmed cases. There is basically no difference in the situations at all, and the 14900K doesn't have a design defect. With VSOC AMD let the vendors increase it, they pushed it as far as possible so they could win in motherboard vs motherboard comparisons, then AMD had to step in to enforce caps by default to protect chips (basically identical sequence). Higher VSOC lets you push higher memory clocks, which is why you had vendors at launch marketing their boards with DDR5-6600 but now it's a lottery whether you can stabilise DDR5-6400. It also wasn't based on previous gen at all, last generation Ryzen had lower maximum safe VSOC. Zen3 had a maximum VSOC of 1.2v in the guidance to the motherboard vendors, AMD's guidance to motherboard vendors before launch for Zen4 was 1.4v maximum which was revised to a 1.3v hard cap after chips started exploding.
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WattsvilleBlues posted:AMD also have their problems this generation with exploding CPUs, don't they? Kinda puts me in mind of the Snapdragon 808 and 810 chipsets nearly a decade ago. You could get some of the info from here: https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/31/intel_earnings_analysis/ Charlie at Semiaccurate also has some more details behind the paywall of this article: https://semiaccurate.com/2018/08/02/intel-guts-10nm-to-get-it-out-the-door/, but just to generalize Krzanich talked in early 2018 about getting spending down and one of their major issues back then was that this was silently achieved by significantly lowering the amount of engineers working on parts of their already disastrous manufacturing processes. Cue key problems being harder/slower to solve because of a lack of manpower, skilled employees quitting, low morale and general misery.
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Yeah but think about all the shareholder value that created!* *that quarter
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HalloKitty posted:It's wild that Intel went from being a safe, stable and power efficient choice to this absolute cluster lol they would have totally sold "factory rated* 5GHz" 2500K if AMD had been competitive then
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1.13Ghz PIII and its recall during the Athlon era comes to mind here. Intel has done some great products over the years but when they get cocky or get some real competition from AMD every now and again they start pushing things making mistakes like anyone else does.
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Bofast posted:You could get some of the info from here: https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/31/intel_earnings_analysis/ BK was a terrible leader who was simultaneously a bully and unwilling to hold the right people accountable for failure to deliver. Combined with Bob Swan min/maxing for the upcoming quarter both during his time as CFO under BK and as CEO they squandered years-long leads on R&D
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:And this is good for consumers how? There's no way you've forgotten about the pre-Zen x86 CPU market this quickly. I refuse to believe it.
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Intel has repeatedly made the excuse for cuts and layoffs that they spend more on it than anybody else in the industry.
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Potato Salad posted:There's no way you've forgotten about the pre-Zen x86 CPU market this quickly. I refuse to believe it. What? You mean endless quad-cores with minor improvements year after year until Zen came along wasn't good enough?
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Any recommendations for a z790 mobo and ddr5 ram (64gb) to use with 14700k?
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Sorbus posted:Any recommendations for a z790 mobo and ddr5 ram (64gb) to use with 14700k? I believe the general recommendation is the cheapest one you can find.
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Kibner posted:I believe the general recommendation is the cheapest one you can find. I am going to OC so that seems not so good idea. I’ll probably get a z790 taichi lite
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Sorbus posted:I am going to OC so that seems not so good idea. I’ll probably get a z790 taichi lite Generally not worth it to OC with the modern chips unless you are just doing it for funsies. You get more performance from undervolting than overclocking. Also, if you are wanting to OC the memory, the memory controllers are on the CPUs now and not the motherboard. Z790s are generally all going to be overbuilt for anything short of liquid-nitrogen-based overclocking. When looking at motherboards for non-extreme overclocking, you are mostly wanting to look to make sure they have the features you want (which is usually related to on-board audio/wi-fi/bluetooth, output ports, pcie slots, and m.2 slots) and maybe what the BIOS software exposes to you that you can tweak. Check the motherboard memory compatibility section on the website for their memory QVL list. That way, you will more or less be guaranteed to find supported memory in the configuration you want. You will want 2x32GB as there can be issues with 4x16GB.
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Yeah I build custom water cooling loops as a hobby so oc just for fun is also something I do  I don’t need wifi or audio stuff, taichi lite seems to have 3x m2 and 8x sata which is good as my other hobby is photographing birds and there’s never too much ssd space for birb raws.
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Sorbus posted:Yeah I build custom water cooling loops as a hobby so oc just for fun is also something I do Sweet. Sorry I wasn't more help! Definitely look into undervolting if you haven't! It can be tricky to get stable, but it basically has the cpu use less power at a given clockspeed which then produces less heat which lets the chip's internal boosting algorithm boost itself to higher clockspeeds for longer periods of time.
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Kibner posted:Sweet. Sorry I wasn't more help! Undervolting is familiar from gpu things, my current cpu is a 9700k so I am bit out of the loop with current cpu and ram tweak trends.
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Bofast posted:You could get some of the info from here: https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/31/intel_earnings_analysis/ any employee/ex-employee you talk to can give you a mountain of different reasons why they failed. probably easier to just say bad leadership from top to bottom and the same general politics and bureaucracy that destroys most large corporations intc is in the crapper again and it's fun to remember that the paycut employees took was restored via RSUs which have since dropped in value
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seems we are getting CAMM motherboards, wonder if it'll catch on pros: higher speeds, cons: probably won't scale to the same capacities as DIMMs https://x.com/msigaming/status/1793628162334621754
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repiv posted:seems we are getting CAMM motherboards, wonder if it'll catch on Wonder if you could have itx boards with CAMM modules on the back of the board
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repiv posted:pros: higher speeds, cons: probably won't scale to the same capacities as DIMMs It's a problem if you want to add more RAM down the line, but the standard allows for very beefy modules:  That image is from this document: https://www.jedec.org/sites/default/files/Tom_Schnell_FINAL_%202024-05-03.pdf I'm all for it if it means higher mem clocks and lower timings.
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