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Who the hell replaces their military commander AFTER starting a new offensive. I can understand completely doing it at the end of a failed one, or before a new one, or even during one that's failing, but doing it a day INTO the offensive makes no sense whatsoever. The new guy won't know anything and will take time to catch up. The lower level guys don't know what the new guy wants and don't know how to put his ideas into practice. This is a May 1940 France High Command failure inducing level.
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May 13, 2024 13:21
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In what crisis scenario was bringing in an accountant ever a good thing unless the organization was liquidating?
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May 13, 2024 13:28
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Minister is not a military commander, he was appointed to ensure steady production of new materiel to be destroyed or flown into apartment buildings and steady flow of meat into meat assaults, but now with 0.01% less corruption than under Shoigu.
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May 13, 2024 13:28
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Saw a headline somewhere that Putin is replacing Shoigu with a civilian. As far as I know Shoigu never served?
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May 13, 2024 13:32
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Saw a headline somewhere that Putin is replacing Shoigu with a civilian. As far as I know Shoigu never served? Correct. Shoigu was a LARPer.
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May 13, 2024 13:36
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Saw a headline somewhere that Putin is replacing Shoigu with a civilian. As far as I know Shoigu never served? Yup, Shoigu never served in the military. He got into the government by buttering up Yeltsin, while coming from a similar background and thus earning some of Yeltsin's trust and then ingratiating himself with monke to get higher positions, until he was appointed minister of Defense.
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May 13, 2024 13:37
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Tbf none of them have really served anyway
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May 13, 2024 13:45
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Alan Smithee posted:Tbf none of them have really served anyway And the new guy was both the Prime Minister and Presidential Economic Assistant/Minister of Economic Development, and based on how....well....the Russian economy has done, I doubt he's a miracle worker.
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May 13, 2024 13:48
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https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1789988698097868971 
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May 13, 2024 13:51
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CommieGIR posted:And the new guy was both the Prime Minister and Presidential Economic Assistant/Minister of Economic Development, and based on how....well....the Russian economy has done, I doubt he's a miracle worker. Maybe he's good at Microsoft Excel?
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May 13, 2024 13:52
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Disco Pope posted:Maybe he's good at Microsoft Excel? Oh he's not an economist?
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May 13, 2024 13:54
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Oh he's not an economist? More likely he's a bullshit artist, although he does have a background in mathematics as a researcher.
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May 13, 2024 13:55
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CommieGIR posted:More likely he's a bullshit artist. Ah so he IS an economist.
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May 13, 2024 14:16
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 When your wife forces you to come shopping with her. You looked at a hundred artillery shells, just pick one! I don't even think we need this!
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May 13, 2024 14:18
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  More death cult things.
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May 13, 2024 14:19
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zone posted:
Good news comrade, when all is lost, just kill yourself to avoid shame and prison.
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May 13, 2024 14:39
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zone posted:
I love that this reads as: "Good job fighting for the motherland, you are heroes and your family loves you... But don't even THINK about surrendering!" Like... Maybe a better transition between topics would make it seem less like surrender is epidemic in the ranks?
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May 13, 2024 14:53
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lol at russia getting their own Robert McNamara
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May 13, 2024 15:10
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Disco Pope posted:Maybe he's good at Microsoft Excel? He learned to make decent CGI videos of, I dont know, russian space lasers firing at Washington or something. He used to be an inoffensive minister for emergency situations and got promoted to MOD for, probably his inoffensiveness and lack of ambition. Also probably because he isn't russian. If putin has friends, Shoigu is his only friend. It is known that they spend vacations together in Siberian forests, this part is officially confirmed. From here it varies wildly, there are rumors that Shoigu introduced shamans to putin, who perform magic rituals and that they both bathe in deer blood to rejuvenate their aging bodies.
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May 13, 2024 15:20
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Sekenr posted:
Dear Bylathouse, I never thought this would happen to me, but
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May 13, 2024 15:48
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Sekenr posted:He learned to make decent CGI videos of, I dont know, russian space lasers firing at Washington or something. He used to be an inoffensive minister for emergency situations and got promoted to MOD for, probably his inoffensiveness and lack of ambition. Also probably because he isn't russian. That contradicts a lot of what I'm seeing about this guy being a loyalist and candidate for Putin's successor. I think it really is the case that logistics and materiel with define this war and he needs to a) pay for it in light of a dented (but not as damaged as hoped) economy and b) attempt to shake out corruption. Depressingly, I think its Russia learning, but I hope they fail again.
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May 13, 2024 15:49
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Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
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May 13, 2024 15:53
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Disco Pope posted:That contradicts a lot of what I'm seeing about this guy being a loyalist and candidate for Putin's successor. I think it really is the case that logistics and materiel with define this war and he needs to a) pay for it in light of a dented (but not as damaged as hoped) economy and b) attempt to shake out corruption. Depressingly, I think its Russia learning, but I hope they fail again. Sekenr's post was about Shoigu
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May 13, 2024 16:12
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Dwesa posted:Sekenr's post was about Shoigu Ah sorry, talking at cross-purposes there!
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May 13, 2024 16:14
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Disco Pope posted:That contradicts a lot of what I'm seeing about this guy being a loyalist and candidate for Putin's successor. I think it really is the case that logistics and materiel with define this war and he needs to a) pay for it in light of a dented (but not as damaged as hoped) economy and b) attempt to shake out corruption. Depressingly, I think its Russia learning, but I hope they fail again. I literally not even once saw a thinkpiece who would name Shoigu putin's successor. Nor would I think of him this way. The prime minister Mishustin is an interesting character. He is never in the news, never once spoke about the war, meaning he could later claim he was secretly against it the whole time. A good compromise candidate that even liberals would accept.
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May 13, 2024 16:15
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Sekenr posted:I literally not even once saw a thinkpiece who would name Shoigu putin's successor. He may be relatively inept and allowed corruption to flourish... But so what? He's slavishly loyal, keeps a low profile and and nobody at all considers him to have any political future outside of Putin's patronage. So he's never going to be a political threat - he has neither the ability or motive to try to use the institutions he controls to grab power. Who cares about job performance (ie: corruption and Russian casualty numbers) when you can have regime stability.
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May 13, 2024 16:39
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Sekenr posted:I literally not even once saw a thinkpiece who would name Shoigu putin's successor. Nor would I think of him this way. Yeah, sorry, there was confusion on my part and we were talking at cross purposes. Disco Pope fucked around with this message at 16:52 on May 13, 2024 |
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May 13, 2024 16:40
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https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1790046494986252492quote:🇪🇸🇺🇦 "Spain is preparing a new package of military aid to Ukraine", - El Pais. 
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May 13, 2024 16:57
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E: nm
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May 13, 2024 17:58
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Sustainable Leopards 2 A4
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May 13, 2024 18:27
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zone posted:
Has defection been a problem for Russia in this war?
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May 13, 2024 19:18
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Gripweed posted:Has defection been a problem for Russia in this war? ....uh, yes?
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May 13, 2024 19:20
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Not nearly enough per any sensible metric
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May 13, 2024 19:21
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Except bizarritude. Can't reasonably ask for more than priggy boom boom provided on that front.
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May 13, 2024 19:23
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CommieGIR posted:....uh, yes? Really? It’s very strange for an army that’s advancing, now advancing on multiple fronts even, to have a problem with defection. And with this war having such a huge presence on social media, you’d think if there were a lot of defectors a certain percentage of them would become like defector influencers. You’d think it would be pretty easy to turn being a defector into a media career. Which is not something I’ve seen but I did give up Twitter a few months ago so it’s very possible I’ve just missed it. And that flyer suggests that Russia is worried about a whole regiment defecting. Which, once again, is very strange for an army that’s winning. And if that is the sort of thing that’s happening, I feel like it would have been big news. I dunno, the flyer just seems fake to me.
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May 13, 2024 19:32
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1789723328296493122 lol 
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May 13, 2024 19:33
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Hows it hanging, russian turtle tank? yeah...
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May 13, 2024 19:40
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The mother of all bed frames, dear god
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May 13, 2024 19:45
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Gripweed posted:Really? It’s very strange for an army that’s advancing, now advancing on multiple fronts even, to have a problem with defection. They're advancing tiny distances through appallingly costly human wave attacks, I don't find that strange at all. I know I'd be looking for a way out that didn't include charging a machine gun over open terrain without armor. Gripweed posted:And that flyer suggests that Russia is worried about a whole regiment defecting. Which, once again, is very strange for an army that’s winning. And if that is the sort of thing that’s happening, I feel like it would have been big news. I don't know where you're getting that. Granted I can't read the original but it's addressed to the individual serviceman in the translation.
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tiaz posted:They're advancing tiny distances through appallingly costly human wave attacks, I don't find that strange at all. I know I'd be looking for a way out that didn't include charging a machine gun over open terrain without armor. People keep saying Russia is using human wave attacks but every actual description of Russian infantry tactics in this war I’ve heard is usually something like “they send small groups across a broad front and pull back where they meet heavy resistance and reinforce the attacks where they meet light resistance”. Which isn’t a human wave attack. So I have doubts as to have much Russia really is using human wave attacks. tiaz posted:I don't know where you're getting that. Granted I can't read the original but it's addressed to the individual serviceman in the translation. I’m getting it from the second line of the translation, which reads “394 Motor Rifle Regiment of the RF armed forces”
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