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raminasi posted:Feedback for candidates has zero reliable signal anyway, so I don't think you missed out. It's not like the CEO would write down that he rejected you because he thought your haircut was stupid, and the "actual" rejection reason was very plausibly on that level. Yeah, I don't blame them for not providing a why. The recruiter seemed just as confused as I was. It was a pretty light conversation. Maybe I oversold my ambitions to transition into a management role. Maybe the guy just didn't like my voice. No idea. Ironically, my brother-in-law wound up working for them a couple of years later. I tried to get him to figure out what happened because he works directly with the CEO, but still.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Companies never give useful feedback to rejected candidates, because there is zero upside to the company to do so. It exposes them to risk of accusations of discrimination, or even just being made to look a fool on social media. Didn't help the company at all but I dunno, sometimes you just meet nice folks who build relationships
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May 13, 2024 17:14
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If you’re in a niche industry it particularly pays to be nice to interviewees because you never know when they’ll have you on the other side of the table. …Unless they’re so bad you’d never want to work at a place that would ol hire them, of course.
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May 13, 2024 17:44
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Yeah, when we were doing phone screens and interviews, we were told to press on even if we'd already decided to pass because we wanted them to feel like they had a good interview experience. Which was frustrating when we'd determine within 5 minutes of a 45-min phone screen that the person couldn't code at all.
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May 13, 2024 19:14
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At FAANGs they definitely don't give out much in the way of feedback (presumably for the reasons described), which is disappointing because I've had a few interviews where I wish I could have told the person involved something fairly concrete and useful that affected their interview, but I can't just assume that they would be good outside of This One Thing. Sometimes the feedback is 'maybe you should stop feeding our code questions into ChatGPT' though, and I understand why we don't give that feedback. "Oh wow you answered the first part really quickly, but then failed to actually talk about the components? Alright, what if you had to do X instead of Y? Oh? You're totally stuck now?" <-- This was, notably, not some insane gotcha question involving inverting a binary tree upside down in spain, but instead a pretty straightforward parsing question with a lot of very basic solutions, since it was meant to be something you could knock out in 10-15 minutes and then talk about it.
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May 13, 2024 19:49
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Companies never give useful feedback to rejected candidates, because there is zero upside to the company to do so. It exposes them to risk of accusations of discrimination, or even just being made to look a fool on social media. I got useful feedback from Google many years ago. It was condescending and really negative and soured me on the company for a long time (one of the phrases I remember is, "if you would just use basic high school algebra"). That's probably why they don't do that as a rule now.
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May 13, 2024 20:10
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You'd think the unceasing drive to spend zero company dollars on training would lead to giving more feedback after an interview, since that's on the failed candidate's dime.
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May 13, 2024 21:47
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pokeyman posted:You'd think the unceasing drive to spend zero company dollars on training would lead to giving more feedback after an interview, since that's on the failed candidate's dime. generating and delivering the feedback would be on the company dime
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May 13, 2024 21:54
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selling advertising space to for-profit universities and coding bootcamps in your applicant rejection letters
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May 13, 2024 22:05
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don't give anyone any ideas
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May 13, 2024 22:11
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minato posted:Yeah, when we were doing phone screens and interviews, we were told to press on even if we'd already decided to pass because we wanted them to feel like they had a good interview experience. I do the code challenge step of our interview process and more often than not it was obvious if someone was failing within the first 10 minutes and then had to kinda just play pretend for the next 50. That's often included answering questions about the job they definitely aren't going to get because they just failed. It wasn't me but one of the other interviewers had a guy realize he'd failed and said "Well that's going to make the next few hours awkward and pointless."
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May 14, 2024 00:18
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The Fool posted:don't give anyone any ideas Creating false job postings that will be failed so they can insert contractually-obligated advertising for for-profit universities and coding bootcamps.
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May 14, 2024 04:04
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:Creating false job postings that will be failed so they can insert contractually-obligated advertising for for-profit universities and coding bootcamps. Use GPT-4o to run the interview so you don't have to pay actual employees.
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wilderthanmild posted:I do the code challenge step of our interview process and more often than not it was obvious if someone was failing within the first 10 minutes and then had to kinda just play pretend for the next 50. That's often included answering questions about the job they definitely aren't going to get because they just failed.
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May 14, 2024 14:52
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Combine the fun of escape rooms with interviewing. Give the candidate a computer with no net access with a leet code challenge on it that unlocks the interview room door, leave them alone if they can code their way out of it then they can pass to the next stage.
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May 14, 2024 15:01
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That's honestly a more mellow version of what you're typically presented with.
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May 14, 2024 15:16
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moctopus posted:That's honestly a more mellow version of what you're typically presented with. While still retaining the all-important "not remotely reflective of what you will actually work on or how you will work" aspect.
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May 14, 2024 17:11
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Vulture Culture posted:I had an interview once where it obviously wasn't going well but the company was buying lunch so I made them get me two entrees I had one where the hiring manager was straight up asking me for advice on how to manage surly Linux sysadmins because he was new to the role and had never dealt with so many difficult personalities before. It was bizarre because the questions were so specific and the guy seemed exhausted. I took my free lunch and told the recruiter I didn’t think it was a good fit for me. A week later I got a rejection notice stating that they didn’t think I would be a good fit.
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May 14, 2024 17:29
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A few years ago I asked for feedback and that actually led to a conversation with the CTO after which I had another call with the hiring manager scheduled. I got another offer so I cancelled that call but if they were willing to talk to me not once but twice after I failed out of the interview process then it was probably a good sign.
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May 14, 2024 19:50
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George Wright posted:I took my free lunch and told the recruiter I didn’t think it was a good fit for me. That's my least favorite part of routine interviewing. Even if I don't care about the job, I just want to shout "no no no I rejected YOU first".
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May 15, 2024 00:16
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I just took a test after I applied to a job that was a lot of little timed logic puzzles and personality questions, framed as a series of private DMs from real people. On one hand, it was kindof fun to do, I like puzzles. On the other hand it depressed me that I was being asked to do something this dumb.
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May 15, 2024 18:32
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my current job did that when I was interviewing and I almost dropped out of the process because of it
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May 15, 2024 18:39
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That’s impressively irrelevant.
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May 15, 2024 18:57
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Aren't those spatial reasoning questions the bulk of the modern day online IQ test? Impressively irrelevant is a great way to put it.
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May 15, 2024 19:00
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prolly to get around griggs vs. duke power and discriminate against peeps? i dunno how that would actually entail getting around it. perhaps they don't know and some plaintiff lawyers could gussy up a class action
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May 15, 2024 19:01
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A friend of mine described interviewing as trapping people in a room with you for an hour and they have to listen to you (as the interviewee) and I love that description
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May 16, 2024 04:45
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Gotta make sure you don't accidentally hire any wordcels for your shape rotator job.
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lifg posted:I just took a test after I applied to a job that was a lot of little timed logic puzzles and personality questions, framed as a series of private DMs from real people. On one hand, it was kindof fun to do, I like puzzles. On the other hand it depressed me that I was being asked to do something this dumb. I can’t do this poo poo at all. What’s the answer? Can y’all do this in your head?
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May 16, 2024 07:34
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Wii Spawn Camper posted:I can’t do this poo poo at all. What’s the answer? Can y’all do this in your head? It's the bottom three. 5 is mostly a rectangle already, and rotating 4 and 6 means that they fit exactly into the two missing corners. This is a really easy one and a lot of people can do that level of spatial reasoning in their head. These sort of puzzles can get trickier if you, for example, need to mentally put two pieces together and then think about what shape is needed to fill the leftover space.
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lifg posted:I just took a test after I applied to a job that was a lot of little timed logic puzzles and personality questions, framed as a series of private DMs from real people. On one hand, it was kindof fun to do, I like puzzles. On the other hand it depressed me that I was being asked to do something this dumb. Hugh had a special eyepiece to do a spatial reasoning test for Geordi and Dr. Crusher. How are unaugmented humans supposed to be able to do this!
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Jabor posted:It's the bottom three. 5 is mostly a rectangle already, and rotating 4 and 6 means that they fit exactly into the two missing corners. I concur. My brain kept trying to fit 2,3,6 together and it’s close, but not quite right. I do think it is close enough that if I was in a hurry, due to, say taking a timed test, I might guess that and rush on to the next question. More importantly, I have never needed to rotate and fit together shards into a rectangle while working on a computer.
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Jabor posted:This is a really easy one and a lot of people can do that level of spatial reasoning in their head. But also some people just straight-up can't. It's a weird thing to test for, you're excluding some fraction of your pool completely arbitrarily. ...which is what 90+% of the tech hiring process is, come to think. Carry on, I guess 
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LLSix posted:I concur. 1, 2, and 3 are also close, the general shape of 3 is there, but the length of the sides are all off.
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I could imagine using it as an interesting tool to see someone's problem solving style. Do they get fixated on using one piece and not try alternatives, do they spend the whole time talking about their favorite puzzles, do they know their limits. But actually getting the right answer seems like the piece that's the least to SWE
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“I’ve already seen this exact same problem before, do you want me to tell you the answer or pick a new problem?”
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StumblyWumbly posted:I could imagine using it as an interesting tool to see someone's problem solving style. Do they get fixated on using one piece and not try alternatives, do they spend the whole time talking about their favorite puzzles, do they know their limits. the only thing that matters in "see problem solving style" interviews is smoothly and quickly coming up with the solution the interviewer wants. this is especially true in programming interviews.
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leper khan posted:the only thing that matters in "see problem solving style" interviews is smoothly and quickly coming up with the solution the interviewer wants. this is especially true in programming interviews. I don't like asking this kind of "one solution" question exactly because it biases me towards people who problem solve like I do. When talking about problem solving, I usually just as, "walk me through a difficult problem you faced and how you approached solving it" and the check-mark is around if they approached the problem with some sort of mindfulness with bonus points available for collaboration or other highly organized process. But I am mostly doing first-touch or cultural interviews these days and not technical.
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LLSix posted:More importantly, I have never needed to rotate and fit together shards into a rectangle while working on a computer. According to the hit documentary Swordfish, this is actually how computer viruses are made.
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^^^ probably my favorite movie scene featuring programming. I think what I do is pretty boring to look at, I like movies that just make poo poo up and make it look exciting.
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lifg posted:^^^ probably my favorite movie scene featuring programming. I think what I do is pretty boring to look at, I like movies that just make poo poo up and make it look exciting. I just watched Mr Robot for the first time a few months back and I really enjoyed how there’s a lot of scenes of people just sitting there and typing stuff into a command line/vim, and it’s looks as boring as it does irl. Basically the opposite of Swordfish.
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