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I'm heartbroken that they banned Attractions in Legacy. They're fun to play with and none of them are powerful, but some whining grognards don't like seeing weird cards in their Legacy games.
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Chamale posted:I'm heartbroken that they banned Attractions in Legacy. They're fun to play with and none of them are powerful, but some whining grognards don't like seeing weird cards in their Legacy games. Are Attractions like Stickers where you have to do a bunch of pre-game stuff? I've never played with or against them.
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May 13, 2024 18:53
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fadam posted:Are Attractions like Stickers where you have to do a bunch of pre-game stuff? I've never played with or against them. Nothing pregame necessarily, but they have their own graveyard and deck (they don't go into your hand). You also roll a die during your main phase to see if you visit your attraction. You also have to track "tickets" which are technically just counters. But there are Attractions with Sticker interaction which is probably why it got banned as well.
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May 13, 2024 19:27
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The Defector had an interesting-ish article that includes an interview with Richard Garfield: https://defector.com/the-creator-of-magic-the-gathering-knows-exactly-where-it-all-went-wrong It was definitely a bit "old man yells at cloud" at times but some points were valid or at least interesting. Also it has this crazy little tidbit out of nowhere: quote:Wizards was also a “big horny summer camp,” suffused in a lumbering ‘90s earnestness and sex positivity, which sometimes jeopardized the company. After Gen Con ‘94, for example, Adkison and a group of employees played a game of Truth or Swill at an employee retreat, listing off who they had hosed and wanted to gently caress next, triggering an HR firestorm. This is also my hearty recommendation to subscribe to The Defector because it rules.
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May 13, 2024 19:48
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Salvor_Hardin posted:The Defector had an interesting-ish article that includes an interview with Richard Garfield: https://defector.com/the-creator-of-magic-the-gathering-knows-exactly-where-it-all-went-wrong WOTC was basically one big polycule at inception, yeah.
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May 13, 2024 19:50
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Strong Sauce posted:Nothing pregame necessarily, but they have their own graveyard and deck (they don't go into your hand). You also roll a die during your main phase to see if you visit your attraction. You also have to track "tickets" which are technically just counters. The B&R announcement points towards Attractions being banned for their own sake, not just because they interact with stickers. quote:________ Goblin has become a reasonable card to play in Legacy, and that's leading to some awkwardness in tournaments. Not only do Goblins players need to create and bring a sticker deck, many decks that feature clones such as Phyrexian Metamorph feel obligated to bring sticker decks on the off-chance they're able to copy ________ Goblin . Players must present these decks at the start of every match regardless of whether they have any cards in their deck that can interact with them. This applies just as much to creatures that care about Attractions as it does to creatures that care about Stickers! If, for whatever reason, Deadbeat Attendant became played in Legacy, then any deck that runs Phyrexian Metamorph would be losing out on equity by not also including a ten card Attraction deck in case they copy Deadbeat Attendant, and then they'd have to present that deck every match, etc. 
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May 13, 2024 20:49
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Frankly cards that create extra zones and decks to manage can gently caress off
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May 13, 2024 20:58
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TheKingofSprings posted:Frankly cards that create extra zones and decks to manage can gently caress off Does karn count in this?
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May 13, 2024 21:01
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Bummer about Unfinity and the legacy player Attractions were a cool idea and something that's missing from Magics land system conceptually. Still got my Most Dangerous Gamer deck at least.
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May 13, 2024 21:02
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Dr. Stab posted:Does karn count in this? Dude can just gently caress off in general.
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May 13, 2024 21:03
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TheKingofSprings posted:Frankly cards that create extra zones and decks to manage can gently caress off There are a ton of cards that have, "Cards Exiled By CARDNAME" which create their own extra zones. Also this was suppose to be an Un-set so I guess they never thought it would be played in Constructed. Anyways.. who wants new cards    
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May 13, 2024 21:04
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Jesus, all of MH3 is going to be leaked by the time actual content creator previews go up.
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May 13, 2024 21:06
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This is how sets leaked on MTGSalvation for like, 10+ years of Magic, so it's funny to see people going "wow so many leaks the whole set is gonna get leaked" about it since it really doesn't happen much anymore (and last time it did the Pinkertons were involved).
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May 13, 2024 21:09
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Good. They should just send an email out with a full list of cards once they're printed and shipping out anywhere.
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May 13, 2024 21:12
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I do feel kind of bad for the content creators who had their cards leak early before they got to make their videos for them.
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May 13, 2024 21:14
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I still wish they would pick a set to not do any leaks/spoilers and just have people show up blind to the pre-release and figure it out in real time.
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May 13, 2024 21:47
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I still wish they would pick a set to not do any leaks/spoilers and just have people show up blind to the pre-release and figure it out in real time. Previews serve a lot of purpose for marketing tho. Retailers need to know if the set is any good before they place orders. Not having previews is like a movie or game not doing reviews before release.
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May 13, 2024 21:56
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I still wish they would pick a set to not do any leaks/spoilers and just have people show up blind to the pre-release and figure it out in real time. How do you envisage cards are distributed for this set?
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May 13, 2024 21:57
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GonSmithe posted:WOTC was basically one big polycule at inception, yeah. Salon did a couple articles about this a while back. https://www.salon.com/2001/03/23/wizards/ (Over twenty years ago? Pardon me while I crumble to dust.)
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WOTC getting in on the spoiler action https://articles.starcitygames.com/magic-the-gathering/pinfinity-fnm-upgrade-kit-reveals-possible-jace-the-mind-sculptor-in-bloomburrow/ A Friday Night Magic upgrade available to Wizards Play Network (WPN) stores offered players a glimpse at a possible version of Jace, the Mind Sculptor that could be coming in Bloomburrow this fall. The Bloomburrow Exclusive FNM kit from Pinfinity includes six AR-enhanced pins and two full-sized metal Commander tokens. There will be two unique augmented reality pins (three for each) with the anthropomorphized Fox version of Jace appearing on one of the pins. The WPN article announcing the kit was originally posted with a short video showing the pin when viewed through the Pinfinity app that provides animations and audio tracks to its AR-enhanced pins. The video was removed shortly after the article was published, but you can see the pin before its animation was activated and after (above). The animation continued, removing the pin and replacing it with an animated version of Jace, the Mind Sculptor that looks similar to an illustration from the Bloomburrow first look article from Daily MTG. The article from Daily MTG states there is a special showcase treatment in Bloomburrow called Imagine: Courageous Critters that depicts renowned planeswalkers and creatures were they to visit the plane.  image is small but its basically the jace the mind sculptor as a fox character that was announced.
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Balon posted:Previews serve a lot of purpose for marketing tho. Retailers need to know if the set is any good before they place orders. I know, it would be cool, and the secrecy would generate its own buzz. I am not in marketing. Pocky In My Pocket posted:How do you envisage cards are distributed for this set? In sealed packs like anything else. e: I do recognize this is logistically and financially unfeasible, probably. Compromise: hold off on spoilers until you can do a select few sealed events with some high profile streamers, pros, etc and broadcast the whole thing from opening to discussion to gameplay.
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Strong Sauce posted:
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CatstropheWaitress posted:You can't shuffle a pin But you can convince idiots that they’re worth a ton of money, which is basically wotc’s business model.
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May 13, 2024 22:32
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Balon posted:
This sounds lovely.
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Loucks posted:But you can convince idiots that they’re worth a ton of money, which is basically wotc’s business model. They've been doing these pins since like War of the Spark, they've never really been a big deal. I believe another card was spoiled because of these pins at one point.
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May 14, 2024 03:18
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I'd rather OBM have been banned in Legacy since that's such a format warping card. Shame they couldn't figure out a better way to handle sticker Goblin. Would be nice if they printed an errata'd version at least.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I still wish they would pick a set to not do any leaks/spoilers and just have people show up blind to the pre-release and figure it out in real time. that was the mystery boosters they did for conventions, with the test cards being a complete surprise
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oh baby. maybe I'll need to give the ol' charbelcher a whirl
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Khanstant posted:This sounds lovely. But usually bodes poorly for the media in question.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I know, it would be cool, and the secrecy would generate its own buzz. I am not in marketing. How do they pick a set not to do any leaks for
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All of the complaints about stickers and attractions basically just boil down to a big ol' "skill issue". Now we've lost a bunch of interesting stuff because so-called pro players can't handle having a few extra cards in their deck boxes.
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I feel like I'm going insane, wasn't everyone in this thread loudly saying how awful Mind Goblin and stickers are because of how it works in MTGO etc. like, a month ago? Why are so many people now going "NOOOOO, WIZARDS, YOU RUINED LEGACY BY GETTING RID OF STICKERS AND ATTRACTIONS NOOOO?" They shouldn't have ever been legal for competitive play, they forced people to engage with an annoying mechanic even if they didn't include that mechanic in their deck (Metalmorph is the example they use). They were badly designed. You're extremely silly if you think it's bad they got rid of these. GonSmithe fucked around with this message at 13:28 on May 14, 2024 |
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Fajita Queen posted:All of the complaints about stickers and attractions basically just boil down to a big ol' "skill issue". Now we've lost a bunch of interesting stuff because so-called pro players can't handle having a few extra cards in their deck boxes. We lost stuff, but none of it was interesting, good riddance.
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Sickening posted:Imagine spending 3k on your legacy deck only for it to be unplayable. I proxied the city of traitors , but a non-trivial amount of paper players just flipped the table. Maybe wotc will bail them out by printing a similar card in MH3 (at mythic rare of course)
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GonSmithe posted:I feel like I'm going insane, wasn't everyone in this thread loudly saying how awful Mind Goblin is because of how it works in MTGO etc. like, two weeks ago? Is it the same people that said both things? I just see a handful of people disappointed.
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a good joke would be if they put name sticker goblin in mh4
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Just caught the ban list update. Eh, not going to miss stickers/attractions but they weren't the worst thing in the world. If they print name sticker in a future set then whatever.quote:there's no existing way to make a bunch of cards legal in Commander and not Legacy. Found it funny they said this in a ban list announcement. The ban list is right there!! Or say commander product isn't for legacy, they can do this, they control the formats.
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Fajita Queen posted:All of the complaints about stickers and attractions basically just boil down to a big ol' "skill issue". Now we've lost a bunch of interesting stuff because so-called pro players can't handle having a few extra cards in their deck boxes. Chamale posted:I'm heartbroken that they banned Attractions in Legacy. They're fun to play with and none of them are powerful, but some whining grognards don't like seeing weird cards in their Legacy games. they're not banned because of the strawmen legacy players you invented in your mind, they're banned because of the reasons stated in the article: wotc never intended for any of the sticker or attraction cards to see legacy/vintage tournament play, but they wanted the cards to be available in commander; the way they chose to facilitate these things was to balance the cards such that they weren't powerful enough to see real play. wotc themselves did not want people to play with attractions and stickers in a tournament setting. also, they probably underestimated the amount of dev time required to implement them in mtgo and they don't want paper eternal formats to differ wildly from online eternal formats (see also the wh 40k snafu).
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MrL_JaKiri posted:How do they pick a set not to do any leaks for The next special draft conspiracy set.
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It's still weird they didn't just say "all these cards are preemptively banned in Legacy/Vintage" from the get go. Or use the supplementary products like that 'Unsanctioned' board game box set to publish explicit silver-border-that-actually-work cards with acorns. As someone that likes Un-set's, almost feel bad that they screwed the pooch so bad after the touchdown set that was Unstable. From Blogatog, sounds like Unifinity was so poorly received there's not much energy for another one. If the pattern holds, at least the next one should be great and also publish around 2035.
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