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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:This, and Cohen is a weeny witness even by flipped collaborater standards I’m a bit out of the loop from traveling, but wasn’t the plan to use him more as a way to get a bunch of damning documents/recordings in and any actual testimony is gravy? I’m blessedly a continent away from the news so maybe that’s not working out, the gently caress do I know, but I thought his lack of credibility was kind of built in, hence every prosecution witness freely making GBS threads on him from the stand.
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Xiahou Dun posted:I’m a bit out of the loop from traveling, but wasn’t the plan to use him more as a way to get a bunch of damning documents/recordings in and any actual testimony is gravy? I’m blessedly a continent away from the news so maybe that’s not working out, the gently caress do I know, but I thought his lack of credibility was kind of built in, hence every prosecution witness freely making GBS threads on him from the stand. Thus far the prosecution has been following up any of his testimony with corroborating evidence. Cohen says he stopped recording because a call came in, boom here's the AT&T call log with time stamp. They know he's compromised and might engender doubt in some jury members' minds, they're not leaving any room if they can help it. If Cohen says the sky is blue they're providing weather reports and photographs to corroborate it.
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Xiahou Dun posted:I’m a bit out of the loop from traveling, but wasn’t the plan to use him more as a way to get a bunch of damning documents/recordings in and any actual testimony is gravy? I’m blessedly a continent away from the news so maybe that’s not working out, the gently caress do I know, but I thought his lack of credibility was kind of built in, hence every prosecution witness freely making GBS threads on him from the stand.
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Deteriorata posted:Even if he's found guilty on all 34 felonies, it's not going to stop him from being elected. You have unrealistic expectations. I dunno, it might! If Comey's letter had an effect in 2016 then it's possible the low info brainlets could be swayed by a conviction.
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May 13, 2024 21:52
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Were there just not that many objections to the questions being asked, or were the people reporting on the trial leave the bulk of them out?
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May 13, 2024 21:58
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Hannity keeps saying that "nobody can even say what the charges even are" Falsifying business records. So "FRAUD", Sean.
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Randalor posted:Were there just not that many objections to the questions being asked, or were the people reporting on the trial leave the bulk of them out? Just viewing the same reporting that’s streaming out as everyone else, but there was some suggestion on one of the networks that objections were light and that the approach on cohens direct examination seemed much more relaxed than say Stormy Daniels’s. Though her testimony was a lot more salacious and free wheeling and apparently Cohen was mostly circumscribed and terse. At least for today. We’ll see about cross.
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BiggerBoat posted:Hannity keeps saying that "nobody can even say what the charges even are" I love how they pretend they don't understand how courts work. Like, you can't file a lawsuit without specific charges. It's not as if the prosecution keeps everyone in suspense throughout the entire process. And defense attorneys are just supposed to wing it?
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The trump workaround for the gag order. https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1790147403766452232 JD Vance was on his phone most of the time while others are denied use of theirs and then comes out and campaigns for Trump. https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1790076978902516193 OgNar fucked around with this message at 01:48 on May 14, 2024 |
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May 14, 2024 00:59
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When you know you're on the side that completely does not give a poo poo whether or not you were at the trial to learn anything about it
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May 14, 2024 01:46
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I'm a professional idiot and even I know you can't get around a gag order by just having your friends say the words you want to say. But they seem to be willing to give him a billion miles of rope so who knows.
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Push El Burrito posted:I'm a professional idiot and even I know you can't get around a gag order by just having your friends say the words you want to say. But they seem to be willing to give him a billion miles of rope so who knows. I guess it'd work if he got them to read their statements on the house/senate floors while in session. Interesting scenario really.
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Deteriorata posted:This is a criminal trial. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is the standard. Huh, mixed up my trials, there's just so many!
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Push El Burrito posted:I'm a professional idiot and even I know you can't get around a gag order by just having your friends say the words you want to say. But they seem to be willing to give him a billion miles of rope so who knows. Would the person speaking be punished as well as Trump? I mean, by the book.
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Subjunctive posted:Would the person speaking be punished as well as Trump? I mean, by the book. By the book? It’s witness tampering. But lol politicians so no.
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Push El Burrito posted:I'm a professional idiot and even I know you can't get around a gag order by just having your friends say the words you want to say. But they seem to be willing to give him a billion miles of rope so who knows. You almost certainly can get around a gag order in this way
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Yeah there's no reasonable way to regulate public figures opining on a trial being covered in the media. Unless like, they catch Trump coercing/bribing them to do it. It's not even a socioeconomic or overly-permissive American free speech jurisprudence issue.
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Fart Amplifier posted:You almost certainly can get around a gag order in this way See the persuasive legal arguments as laid out in Brother V Sister, the foundation of the federal 'I'm not touching you' standard. Caros fucked around with this message at 07:49 on May 14, 2024 |
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Push El Burrito posted:I'm a professional idiot and even I know you can't get around a gag order by just having your friends say the words you want to say. But they seem to be willing to give him a billion miles of rope so who knows.
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fool of sound posted:Yeah there's no reasonable way to regulate public figures opining on a trial being covered in the media. Unless like, they catch Trump coercing/bribing them to do it. It's not even a socioeconomic or overly-permissive American free speech jurisprudence issue. I would argue that if they read a prepared statement from Trump that was provided to them by Trump and evidence shows that that was Trump's statement verbatim, then Trump might get in trouble for violating the gag order. But the evidence would need to be ironclad.
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So if the paper has obvious signs of greasy fingerprints?
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More if Trump admits to it unprompted in court. Which is... not unlikely.
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Tesseraction posted:So if the paper has obvious signs of greasy fingerprints? Written in black sharpie with insane syntax is probably sufficient.
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https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1790392518758334802 Spewwing all of Trumps talking points. https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1790390995974234352 https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1790420964154441774 OgNar fucked around with this message at 18:02 on May 14, 2024 |
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Is there any kind of law against the people running the country showing up at a trial to announce that the trial is a farce? That feels like it should be some form of interference that there are laws about, but I admit that it's possibly unprecedented.
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Rand Brittain posted:Is there any kind of law against the people running the country showing up at a trial to announce that the trial is a farce? That feels like it should be some form of interference that there are laws about, but I admit that it's possibly unprecedented. It's free speech
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https://twitter.com/KatiePhang/status/1790451420707119515 e: Its a side track to show that Cohen is allowed to speak while Trump is not. OgNar fucked around with this message at 19:48 on May 14, 2024 |
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Cross going well so far:quote:We’re already having a sidebar after Blanche began his cross examination by raising two things Cohen has said about Trump’s lawyers during the trial. quote:We’re about 15 minutes into Trump attorney Todd Blanche’s cross-examination and prosecutor Susan Hoffinger has had at least half a dozen objections sustained. Also: Cohen is the last witness of the prosecution, defense might not call any witnesses at all. DTurtle fucked around with this message at 19:47 on May 14, 2024 |
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DTurtle posted:Cross going well so far: Sadly, this lawyer seems just good enough to know not to call Trump to the stand. But if Trump did give evidence? Oh boy!
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DTurtle posted:Cross going well so far: Makes sense, who would they call? Trump? You'd get a full 'you can't handle the truth' before he admits to 187 new felonies no one knew about. If they are going for chud nullification, a case would barely help.
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Deteriorata posted:Even if he's found guilty on all 34 felonies, it's not going to stop him from being elected. You have unrealistic expectations. I think you misunderstood me. My point was is if there's a hung jury in this trial, another trial wouldnt happen til after the election with all of the legal bullshit they'd have to do. And if he won, you might as well forget it because even though they're state charges, good loving luck putting the most powerful man in the free world on trial.
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I don't really understand how mistrials work and I'm not a lawyer so asking, if there is a mistrial, why judge Merchan isn't just able to call in a new pool of jurors on Monday and keep going? Is there some sort of mandated interim process before the next trial starts?
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Jury dismissed until Thursday. No trial on Friday because Trump will absolutely be at Barrons graduation. Don has promised to 'test' his gag order. https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1790485101966487881 OgNar fucked around with this message at 22:22 on May 14, 2024 |
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Like one out of every 10 updates CNN had on their live update page was "Trump laying back in his seat, eyes closed" or "Trump leaning forward with his chin on his chest, eyes closed, until his lawyer whispered something to him."
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Trump's former lawyer Giuliani stumbles in bid to appeal defamation rulingquote:A U.S. bankruptcy judge on Tuesday rejected Rudy Giuliani's attempt to appeal a $148 million defamation judgment won by former Georgia election workers, saying Donald Trump's former lawyer should focus on his own stalled bankruptcy case.
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OgNar posted:https://twitter.com/KatiePhang/status/1790451420707119515 Lol. This did not seem to go well https://bsky.app/profile/mitchellepner.bsky.social/post/3kshybnu5x22m quote:One telling statement on the liveblogs of the cross of Michael Cohen is that the jurors are laughing at some of his answers in sympathy with Cohen, such as when he responded to the question, "You want to see Donald Trump in jail?" with "Yes."
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I could be misremembering but isn't it also really bad to put a credible witness on the stand and have him point to your client and say how guilty he is?
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Raenir Salazar posted:I could be misremembering but isn't it also really bad to put a credible witness on the stand and have him point to your client and say how guilty he is? I mean, he's kinda iffy on his credibility. He's been fairly recently convicted of perjury to congress, which is something they can bring up on cross to impeach his character even if those lies are entirely unrelated to this instant case.
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