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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/ChrizBouchard/status/1788954963919470812 Miracles do happen
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Phy posted:Miracles do happen Eucatastrophe, if you please.
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May 10, 2024 18:11
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It sucks rear end that movies don’t use higher frame rates and I wish the hobbit movies hadn’t completely blown it on that front
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May 10, 2024 18:34
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Lemniscate Blue posted:I do think that Faramir was the one meant to go on the quest, but Denethor wouldn't listen to him until the dream came to Boromir also so Denethor would okay the journey - just with the son he wanted to be a hero going instead of the one that was better suited to the task. Was he though? If Faramir goes on that quest the Fellowship never breaks up which possibly means that Aragorn tries to go to Mordor with Frodo/Sam. If that happens, Rohan loses the war to Saruman and then Gondor loses to Sauron without Rohan's reinforcements/the undead army. Boromir accidentally made everything happen that needed to happen.
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May 10, 2024 19:45
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Ginette Reno posted:Boromir accidentally made everything happen that needed to happen. Eru did it. Our choices are our own, but the outcome of those choices is God's domain.
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May 10, 2024 19:49
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Ginette Reno posted:Boromir accidentally made everything happen that needed to happen. Even this himbo shall prove but mine instrument.
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May 10, 2024 20:30
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Excuse me, I should like to learn more of these instrumental himbos.
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Arc Hammer posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20vA9U7J2qQ Oh wow it's even worse than I remembered - three years of pre-production on LOTR, but only six months for the Hobbit. Love that shot of PJ sitting there on set looking miserable by himself, and the camera just keeps zooming out and out and out and he's still on his own
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May 10, 2024 23:55
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Zoran posted:It sucks rear end that movies don’t use higher frame rates and I wish the hobbit movies hadn’t completely blown it on that front Other directors are still experimenting with it and I can’t agree at all that it should become a regular thing. Ang Lee has done it multiple times now and it’s at best an intriguing situational technique. Why do you feel it “sucks rear end” for films to be 24fps?
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May 11, 2024 16:47
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When movies do panning shots it usually blurs the heck out of whatever is on screen if it moves too fast. I am not learned in cinematography but I would figure it's related.
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May 11, 2024 18:58
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/09/entertainment/new-lord-of-rings-movie/index.htmlquote:The Oscar-winning team behind the nearly $6 billion blockbuster “Lord of the Rings” and “The Hobbit” trilogies is reuniting to produce two new films.
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May 14, 2024 00:05
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Serkis always turned out a good performance as an actor and he seems to have genuine investment. As much of a cash grab this seems like, Im willing to keep an open mind.
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May 14, 2024 00:13
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Excited to see who will play Aragorn and Gandalf
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May 14, 2024 02:34
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Well Fair or Fae, here it is https://twitter.com/TheRingsofPower/status/1790374328649048517 Who's Worm Guy
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zoux posted:Well Fair or Fae, here it is Presumably Annatar/Sauron. IIRC part of why this has taken so long is between covid and the poor reception to season 1, at least an attempt has been made to either retcon or change direction on some of the major plot points. I have 0 hope for it, but i'll still keep watching that garbage. i will only see the gollum movie by pirating it lol
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You know I'm tired of magic in TV and film either being a laser light show or, in this case, people flicking their hands around like they're using The Force. There are other ways to express power and I've always felt that the impression of Sauron and his servants was better left up to character reactions. I don't really like the extended scene where The Witch King breaks Gandalf's staff (wtf?) but I always liked the way that it framed him as this terrifying thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJjB3t8bhkQ It's hard to hear in the youtube clips but as he speaks the Nazgul howl layers over his words and Pippin screams as it burrows into his ears. The fell beast fills the whole screen and it's roar stops Pippin dead in his tracks with fear. An evil looking dude flicking his fingers or shooting fireballs isn't really scary or powerful to me. It's like the fantasy equivalent of those overused holographic UIs from science fiction shows where it's a bunch of hand flicking going on and then some underpaid cgi artist adds in the sfx in post. I want a Sauron or a Morgoth that just exudes darkness in his presence, like the sun itself dims when he walks and terror grips people's hearts. I want people like Butterbur, so kind and jovial, turned to ice as all light and hope fades and fear takes hold.  I want something, anything that can match the sheer dread of the line "And Morgoth came." I don't know how you would translate that to a visual medium but drat if it wouldn't be a more creative endeavor than whatever Amazon is doing. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 16:57 on May 14, 2024 |
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May 14, 2024 15:13
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I'm nearly finished The Fall of Numenor book, I'm really enjoying the presentation of it as a chronological document. I'd just read the bigger story of Aldarion and Erendis in Unfinished Tales but reading it again in context made me enjoy it even more. Cool book!
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Where I am we recently got a full eclipse. It’s not terrifying knowing what’s actually going on. But as a megadork I thought that might be what seeing a Nazgul is like. It goes from a sunny 1pm to looking like the dead of night in moments.
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Yeah same, even knowing what was going on, it still felt eerie bordering on scary. No wonder the people who lived before we knew wtf an eclipse was were so scared by them.
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May 14, 2024 16:48
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Oh and here's some BTS stuff from season 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL02_uTRBKw How made up is the fecklessness of youthful Isildur
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May 14, 2024 17:02
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Does this trailer confirm any of the supposed plot leaks from a few months ago such as Sauron disguising himself as Celeborn
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May 14, 2024 17:12
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Tolkien prof is at Watcher in the Water now. That thing is supremely hosed up. The movie made it a more mundane kraken battle but in the book it’s a strange alien bio?luminescent blind thing with fingers on the end of long tentacles (no suckers ?) Someone on the pod mentioned it was a “corrupt river spirit” and that actually makes a lot of sense
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Yeah, like evil Goldberry
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There are some things in that s2 trailer that look like they're supposed to be world-gnawing nameless things from Gandalf's balrog fight recap What are the entities that we don't know exactly what they are: the watcher in the water and assorted ilk, Ungoliant, Tom and Goldberry, what else
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May 15, 2024 14:24
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Goldberry was a tentacle monster?
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FBS posted:Goldberry was a tentacle monster? I don't love the anime adaptation
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zoux posted:There are some things in that s2 trailer that look like they're supposed to be world-gnawing nameless things from Gandalf's balrog fight recap One of my greatest frustrations with the show is poo poo like this. Clearly a bunch of people involved are giant Tolkien fans. The Dragon Helm of Dor Lomin being very clearly shown on a statue being another perfect example. The intro is great too, being an entire reference to The Music and Morgoth distorting it. Yet the writing is loving rear end from people who seem to barely have read the goddamn books.
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Watcher is a migrating creature/spirit of the subterranean waters. Gandalf suggests it is not native to the stream—I think what’s happened is that it deliberately dammed up the stream to make the kind of grisly stagnant habitat it prefers. Probably Tolkien was thinking of the type of sea-monster (OE ‘nicor’, cf Norse nøkken or the fairy-tale water-nixie) that Beowulf fights—his translation of the encounter also stresses the creepy handsiness of the monsters:Beowulf lines 448 ff. posted:The hearts of the fishes of the sea “Nicor” is a difficult word to map precisely onto any real animal (medieval Germanic languages could use their forms just as well to gloss “crocodile” and “hippopotamus”) and I think Tolkien was interested in seeing just what a “real” one would be like.
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zoux posted:I don't love the anime adaptation When is War of the Rohirrim supposed to release? Or is it also stuck in the anime production cycle hell at the moment?
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Arc Hammer posted:When is War of the Rohirrim supposed to release? Or is it also stuck in the anime production cycle hell at the moment? Dec 13
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The Beowulf comparison is nice. Good call.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:One of my greatest frustrations with the show is poo poo like this. Clearly a bunch of people involved are giant Tolkien fans. The Dragon Helm of Dor Lomin being very clearly shown on a statue being another perfect example. The intro is great too, being an entire reference to The Music and Morgoth distorting it. The problem isn't that they haven't read the books, the level of detail attests to that. The problem is that they were very inexperienced writers and specifically didn't know how to write a television show. Example: in the episode where Galadriel is in Numenor, there is a scene where she goes to a library. She rides a horse to the library, and as you watch the scene the music swells and the camera pans and it is all very pretty. But why is she having this epic sequence on the road to the library? In the movie trilogy scenes like this were used to show the passage of vast distances. But this is a quick jaunt to a library. You see, they saw the movies, saw scenes like this, and decided they wanted scenes like this in their show without having any idea why the movies used these scenes. The writing is exactly the same. They saw tropes they wanted to use but had no idea why you would use those tropes.
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An IP in search of a story . Maybe that is the story. The search for a story
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Also Tolkien prof didn’t mention it but it’s clear from the text that the Watcher was farting. A lot
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euphronius posted:Also Tolkien prof didn’t mention it but it’s clear from the text that the Watcher was farting. A lot It’s all explained in the missing pages of the Book of Mazarbul 
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Olsen said one thing in the Watcher sequence that was maybe the first time I've honestly just about slammed on the brakes and swerved into a parking lot so I could get out and jump around shouting like Donald Duck. He said, just casually in passing, trying to visualize the scene, he figured Boromir threw his rock about 200+ feet, or 75-ish meters. WHAT THE gently caress That's like throwing a guy out a home plate from mid-centerfield, on the fly. You have to HEAVE a ball-sized object with strength barely anybody but Boromir would possibly have had the strength, or even more importantly the highly-practiced atlatl-style finger leverage, to do. At first I thought he was just being vague and imprecise and didn't really have a good mental picture of what 200 feet is like, just throwing out a number that sounds kinda biggish. But then a few minutes later he doubled down on it! He's a baseball guy. He outright said he positively pictures Boromir blasting a loving line drive 200 feet out into the dusky lake, presumably taking two or three hops and just wanging the thing with all his might. I don't know, maybe I'm the weird one here but I always had pictured him just sort of casually hucking the rock out there, maybe 80-100 feet at most. Like the distance from the mound to the plate, and definitely not with a lot of speed behind it, just lobbing it in a high arc. I do not imagine the lake to be the kind of width Olsen is apparently thinking, like half a mile across. In my mind it's way smaller, maybe like the size of a Home Depot footprint, and pretty narrow at the end they're at. And Boromir is not hurling his rock out into the dim murky distance with the rocket arm of a Willie Mays, he's just sort of making a casually defiant gesture of revulsion in the water's general direction.
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Boromir doesn't strike me as the sort to casually huck stuff. (also does he have Numenorean blood?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNux9NPhFvo That's probably 300 ft. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytUuMi0NtcQ&t=29s That's a minimum of 350 ft zoux fucked around with this message at 16:17 on May 15, 2024 |
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200 foot throw with a baseball can be done by like 11 year olds . 12 for sure
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zoux posted:Boromir doesn't strike me as the sort to casually huck stuff. (also does he have Numenorean blood?) Yeah, the stewards are of Numenorean noble blood, just not the original line of kings, and have similar lifespans to the Dunedain. Functionally they are just another line of Numenorean kings who just decided to maintain a fiction a la Roman emperors calling themselves Princeps for 200 years. There is good reason for Denethor to not want to bend the knee to Aragorn, since as far as he is concerned there is no real difference between them beyond Aragorn's very distant ancestors. Oh man I found A Guy while googling this. https://www.zarkanya.net/Tolkien/Decline%20of%20the%20Numenoreans.htm
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Here is a good old timey highlight of about a 200 foot throw by a non Numenorean https://youtu.be/1PH6XJypKno?si=tqd--1pxaXvdD6r2
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