2023 Hamas/Israeli War Thread: Pier today, gone tomorrow.

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Kazinsal: Dec 13, 2011

Midjack posted:

It won't be mistargeted at all, they'll have some bullshit pretext that we won't even try to debunk.

"It looked like a hospital, sorry."

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Tiny: Oct 26, 2003; My leg hurts....

Midjack posted:

It won't be mistargeted at all, they'll have some bullshit pretext that we won't even try to debunk.

"Well, you see, we had confirmed intel that this one person who murdered 50 pregnant women 5 years ago was hiding in that orphanage. He walked by a hamas member on the street and got photographed a few years ago. We cannot tolerate terrorism, so... Those children should have chosen better friends."

Is some poo poo I can see isrealis saying. I ain't got a problem with jews, but I DO have a problem with isreal currently.

How come folks here on these forums can distinguish between "Of course isreal has a right to exist", "isreal is bad", "Palestinians shouldn't be killed for existing, that's genocide, and I thought we all agreed that genocide was BAD" and "gently caress all jews antisemitism is my jam"?

How come they loving CANT explain those distinct viewpoints in the rest of the country and media? Seems like the mass-media narrative is that either you support isreal committing genocide on their "enemies" or you're a jew-hater.

There isn't a mass-media faction in america that supports the viewpoint of maybe stop loving killing people who can't fight back and have no ability to leave the killing fields.

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mllaneza: Apr 28, 2007; Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952

Tiny posted:

How come they loving CANT explain those distinct viewpoints in the rest of the country and media? Seems like the mass-media narrative is that either you support isreal committing genocide on their "enemies" or you're a jew-hater.

We can explain those distinct viewpoints. We have. Mass media just isn't listening.

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orange juche: Mar 14, 2012

Tiny posted:

"Well, you see, we had confirmed intel that this one person who murdered 50 pregnant women 5 years ago was hiding in that orphanage. He walked by a hamas member on the street and got photographed a few years ago. We cannot tolerate terrorism, so... Those children should have chosen better friends."

Is some poo poo I can see isrealis saying. I ain't got a problem with jews, but I DO have a problem with isreal currently.

How come folks here on these forums can distinguish between "Of course isreal has a right to exist", "isreal is bad", "Palestinians shouldn't be killed for existing, that's genocide, and I thought we all agreed that genocide was BAD" and "gently caress all jews antisemitism is my jam"?

How come they loving CANT explain those distinct viewpoints in the rest of the country and media? Seems like the mass-media narrative is that either you support isreal committing genocide on their "enemies" or you're a jew-hater.

There isn't a mass-media faction in america that supports the viewpoint of maybe stop loving killing people who can't fight back and have no ability to leave the killing fields.

Well see, the ADL says that taking a stance against Israel's current policies towards Palestinians is antisemitism. And that's what media follows. No it makes no effort to differentiate between the state of Israel and the Jewish people, because it is beneficial for the Israeli state to hide behind the fact that people don't like being called anti-Semitic even though they're just trying to point out that the Israeli government has hosed up policies.

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ThisIsJohnWayne: Feb 23, 2007; Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!

Every new day could be the day when someone realises people can get things wrong on purpose

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Lovely Joe Stalin: Jun 12, 2007; Our Lovely Wang

My money is on America delivering aid to via that pier and doing lots of PR based on it, and Israel just sitting it in the storage yards (they made by bulldozing an entire neighbourhood of other people's homes) and not distributing it. Having closed literally every other access point for aid days ago, it'd spoil the efficiency of the starvation. The airdrops serve the same hollow PR purpose.

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Mustang: Jun 18, 2006; “We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”

Woke up today to see an article in the Washington Post about pro-Palestinian protestors at UCLA being violently attacked by Israeli genocide supporters last night. loving despicable. They have video of people being beaten with bats and dragged out of the encampment by genocidal savages.

Whenever I see an Israeli flag now, I just automatically assume the other person is a downright repulsive human being completely lacking basic decency.

These are the people Genocide Joe is courting for his reelection in November. He just can't go against the genocidal tendencies of moderate Americans! He's got an election to win.

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pantslesswithwolves: Oct 28, 2008

That happened AGAIN? I know there was an incident at UCLA where pro-Israel counter protestors attacked an encampment on campus a week or two ago, but having two such incidents is truly unacceptable.

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Mustang: Jun 18, 2006; “We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”

My mistake, it was an article about that attack on April 30th. Still makes my blood boil.

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Problematic Soup: Feb 18, 2007

Yeah, same. Also, the cops basically looking the other way while these fucks went nuts was...well I guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore, but it's still galling about seeing the worst people get passes from the pigs.

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LtCol J. Krusinski: May 7, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

Jews have had all of history to perfect hating Jews.

You guys are so late to the party.

Israel sucks, most if not all countries do. Particularly religiously devout ones.

Personally I just want Iran to nuke Israel and Israel to nuke everyone else in the region and we can just loving finally write off that part of the world forever.

A man can dream.

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# ? May 11, 2024 21:22

SerthVarnee: Mar 13, 2011; It has been ~~two~~ zero days since last incident.; Big Super Slapstick Hunk

LtCol J. Krusinski posted:

Jews have had all of history to perfect hating Jews.

You guys are so late to the party.

Israel sucks, most if not all countries do. Particularly religiously devout ones.

Personally I just want Iran to nuke Israel and Israel to nuke everyone else in the region and we can just loving finally write off that part of the world forever.

A man can dream.

There might be a couple of innocent civilians, who'd like to voice their concerns about this.

# ? May 11, 2024 21:24

Kith: Sep 17, 2009; You never learn anything
by doing it right.

LtCol J. Krusinski posted:

Personally I just want Iran to nuke Israel and Israel to nuke everyone else in the region and we can just loving finally write off that part of the world forever.

these are the kinds of thoughts you should keep to yourself, bud

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Count Roland: Oct 6, 2013

He was already on my ignore list, for good reason I see.

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goatsestretchgoals: Jun 4, 2011

Midjack posted:

It won't be mistargeted at all, they'll have some bullshit pretext that we won't even try to debunk.

someone left a USS Liberty challenge coin on board

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Dandywalken: Feb 11, 2014

Kith posted:

these are the kinds of thoughts you should keep to yourself, bud

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mllaneza: Apr 28, 2007; Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952

Biden is trying a new tactic, offering Israel targeting data on Hamas leadership and Small Diameter Bombs to take advantage of that with minimal collateral damage. This would be in exchange for not pushing troops into Rafah. Washington Post article follows.

quote:

The Biden administration, working urgently to stave off a full-scale Israeli invasion of Rafah, is offering Israel valuable assistance if it holds back, including sensitive intelligence to help the Israeli military pinpoint the location of Hamas leaders and find the group�s hidden tunnels, according to four people familiar with the U.S. offers.

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American officials have also offered to help provide thousands of shelters so Israel can build tent cities � and to help with the construction of delivery systems for food, water and medicine � so that Palestinians evacuated from Rafah can have a habitable place to live, said the officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity to disclose secret diplomatic talks.

President Biden and his senior aides have been making such offers over the last several weeks in hopes they will persuade Israel to conduct a more limited and targeted operation in the southern Gaza city, where some 1.3 million Palestinians are sheltering after fleeing there from other parts of Gaza under Israeli orders. Israel has vowed to go into Rafah with �extreme force,� and this week Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu took a number of steps that raised fears at the White House that the long-promised invasion could be materializing.

Administration officials, including experts from the U.S. Agency for International Development, have told Israel it will take several months to safely relocate hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who are now living in decrepit and unsanitary conditions in Rafah. Israeli officials disagree with that assessment.

Biden aides are stressing to their Israeli counterparts that Palestinians cannot simply be moved to barren or bombarded parts of Gaza, but that Israel must provide basic infrastructure � including shelter, food, water, medicine and other necessities � so that those who are evacuated will have livable conditions and not simply be exposed to additional famine or disease.

Experts from across the U.S. government are advising their Israeli counterparts in great detail on how to develop and implement such a humanitarian plan, down to the level of how many tents and how much water would be needed for specific areas, according to several people familiar with the discussions, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations. Aid groups have said safely evacuating people from Rafah is nearly impossible given the conditions in the rest of Gaza.

�The aid community generally is very skeptical there�s any safe way to relocate people out of Rafah,� said Jeremy Konyndyk, president of Refugees International and a former USAID official in the Obama administration. �I�ve been really concerned about the U.S. line on this � that the line has not been, �End the war and don�t go into Rafah.� The line has been to find a way to safely evacuate people, and that presumes that�s a possible thing.�

The unusually detailed and sensitive talks highlight the enormous stakes facing both Israel and the United States as Netanyahu prepares to invade Rafah, the last city in Gaza that has not been devastated by Israel�s onslaught. Israel has become increasingly isolated during the seven-month Gaza war, which has resulted in almost 35,000 Palestinian deaths, according to the Gaza Health Ministry. Biden has also attracted enormous criticism domestically and abroad for backing it.

Israeli leaders contend that they must go into Rafah to finish the job of eliminating Hamas, which attacked Israel on Oct. 7 and killed about 1,200 people. But destroying the city�s extensive tunnel network, where many Hamas leaders and fighters are based, would endanger tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians. That has led U.S. officials to urge a large-scale, inordinately complex evacuation plan as the best option, even as they push urgently for an Israel-Hamas cease-fire.

�We have serious concerns about how Israel has prosecuted this campaign, and that could all come to a head in Rafah,� said a senior administration official.

U.S. officials are now working closely with Egypt to find and cut off tunnels that cross the Egypt-Gaza border in the Rafah area, which Hamas has used to replenish militarily, according to two people familiar the discussions.

The American offers have come during negotiations over the last seven weeks between top U.S. and Israeli officials on the scale and scope of an operation in Rafah. It is not yet clear whether Israel will heed repeated U.S. warnings not to launch a full-scale ground invasion, particularly as Biden and Netanyahu had their most public break this week after months of building tensions and open conflict.

In recent days, Israel has seized a border crossing near Rafah and ordered more than 100,000 people to evacuate the city, frustrating U.S. officials since those ordered to leave were not given a secure, livable destination.

Some U.S. officials view those actions as an effort on Israel�s part to apply pressure in its ongoing negotiations with Hamas over an extended cease-fire in exchange for the release of the remaining Israeli hostages. Negotiators left Cairo this week, dimming hopes for a deal, but Biden aides insist they are still working on an agreement, which they view as the most promising way to end the war.

The Biden administration has made an internal assessment that Hamas � and its leader in Gaza, Yehiya Sinwar � would welcome a major, protracted battle in Rafah that is destructive and deadly, according to a senior administration official, because it would further isolate Israel.

U.S. officials say Israel has not launched a full-scale Rafah ground invasion at this point, despite a series of raids in recent days. In private discussions, Israel has said it is taking seriously American warnings and provided assurances as recently as Friday that its soldiers would not barrel into the city before evacuating about 800,000 Palestinians, according to a senior administration official familiar with the discussions, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive deliberations.

Biden this week said he would withhold the transfer of offensive weapons to Israel if the country moves ahead with a Rafah invasion that targets population centers, a notable turnaround for the president, who has long resisted imposing consequences on Israel for its conduct in Gaza despite rising pressure from fellow Democrats. Netanyahu defiantly responded that Israel �will stand alone� if necessary.

Biden said Israel has not crossed his �red line� because its forces have not begun invading or bombing densely populated areas of Rafah.

Frank Lowenstein, a former State Department official and Middle East expert, said Biden is likely to give Israel some flexibility but that further scenes of families dying and suffering could provoke a strong reaction.

�Actually restricting more weapons deliveries is a step the Biden administration would probably prefer not to take. As a result of that, they�re likely to keep the definition of the red line flexible, so they can decide based on the entirety of the circumstances whether Israel has crossed it or not,� said Lowenstein, who helped lead Israeli-Palestinian negotiations in 2014. �It seems like the brightest part of that pink line would be mass casualty events for civilians in Rafah and large-scale armored incursions into the city.�

Israel has already launched strikes on Rafah that have killed dozens of civilians and further crippled already crumbling hospitals. This week, it seized the Rafah border crossing between Gaza and Egypt, cutting off the main artery through which a limited amount of humanitarian aid was delivered. The World Health Organization warned that hospitals in southern Gaza were days away from running out of fuel. At least 110,000 people have fled Rafah as Israel�s bombardment there intensifies, according to U.N. agencies, and the population is suffering from widespread hunger and famine.

The Biden administration this week paused the shipment of 2,000-pound bombs over fears of how they might be used in a Rafah operation, suggesting that U.S. officials are growing wary of Israel�s assurances that it will moderate its tactics. One senior administration official said the U.S. wanted to signal to the Israelis that it had options at its disposal if Israel moves ahead in Rafah in ways the U.S. opposes, such as bombing densely packed areas.

If Israel opts to �smash� into Rafah, Biden would decide on withholding additional weapons shipments, White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said on Friday. �Again, we hope it doesn�t come to that,� he added.

After his unwavering embrace of Israel during much of the Gaza war, Biden has more recently sought to balance that support with explicit warnings. Last Tuesday, at a Holocaust memorial event, he put the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks in the context of the Holocaust. On Wednesday, he warned in a CNN interview that a major invasion of Rafah would lead to a cutoff of U.S. offensive weapons. On Friday, his administration certified that Israel was not using U.S.-provided weapons in violation of international humanitarian law, an assertion strongly disputed by human rights groups.

As U.S.-Israel talks now focus more sharply on the shape of the Rafah operation, a senior administration official said, Israeli officials are not strongly pushing back on the U.S. demands, although they disagree that evacuating the civilians would take months. Netanyahu is also facing pressure from far-right cabinet ministers in his government, who want a scorched-earth campaign in Rafah.

Israel�s recent seizure of the Rafah border crossing angered many Biden aides, who have for months been pressing Israel to allow more aid into Gaza. The World Food Program has said northern Gaza is experiencing a full-blown famine, and aid groups warn that conditions in southern Gaza will become similarly dangerous if Israel does not quickly reopen the Rafah crossing.

Some aid groups also say there is currently no safe way to relocate people in Rafah to locations elsewhere in Gaza because the territory has been reduced to rubble, with collapsed infrastructure and defunct hospitals. Rafah is the southernmost city in Gaza, and U.S. officials and humanitarian aid groups have warned there is nowhere left for Palestinians to move, in part because of Egypt�s steadfast refusal to let them in.

Konyndyk and other human rights activists are skeptical that an incursion by the Israel Defense Forces into Rafah would be less destructive than the rest of its Gaza campaign, no matter how closely the U.S. works to limit an invasion.

�I don�t think it�s credible, based on the past seven-plus months of IDF conduct, to think a Rafah invasion would not entail a similar level of civilian harm to what we�ve seen so far,� Konyndyk said. Noting that Israel�s recent actions in Rafah are already interfering with aid delivery, he added, �This is a fractional preview of what a full-on Rafah invasion would look like.�

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McNally: Sep 13, 2007; Ask me about Proposition 305

Do you like muskets?

LtCol J. Krusinski posted:

Jews have had all of history to perfect hating Jews.

You guys are so late to the party.

Israel sucks, most if not all countries do. Particularly religiously devout ones.

Personally I just want Iran to nuke Israel and Israel to nuke everyone else in the region and we can just loving finally write off that part of the world forever.

A man can dream.

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Maybe not so much with the I/P thread for you, jfc

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Eason the Fifth: Apr 9, 2020

McNally, officer of the day, getting a call from the I/P thread jail, telling him to come pick up shim: :thisagain:

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Lovely Joe Stalin: Jun 12, 2007; Our Lovely Wang

Breathtakingly evil. Torture camps where even if they know you're innocent, you're still detained, and used as a kapo.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html

# ? May 12, 2024 00:58

Kith: Sep 17, 2009; You never learn anything
by doing it right.

so now that i'm back from the joyless void that is ohio

LtCol J. Krusinski posted:

Personally I just want Iran to nuke Israel and Israel to nuke everyone else in the region and we can just loving finally write off that part of the world forever.

for anyone wondering, the above sentiment is so overwhelmingly callous that it's actually a dangerous pattern of thought. dehumanizing millions of people and framing countless human rights violations as mere annoyances because they're not "fun" or "interesting" to hear about is the same exact mindset that led to the holocaust getting as bad as it did.

shim, if you genuinely think this and aren't just saying it out of exhaustion and frustration, you probably should not post in this thread ever again. i have no idea what you've been through (i know it's Some poo poo, but i've never seen you talk about it before) but nothing can justify actually believing that. if you do, something is really wrong.

e: shim has PM'd me to clarify that he does not actually believe/want this, it was said out of exasperation. which... yeah, with how everything's been going, that's completely understandable. still a horrific thing to say, but at least it's just venting.

Kith fucked around with this message at 04:17 on May 12, 2024

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Alchenar: Apr 9, 2008

Kith posted:

so now that i'm back from the joyless void that is ohio

for anyone wondering, the above sentiment is so overwhelmingly callous that it's actually a dangerous pattern of thought. dehumanizing millions of people and framing countless human rights violations as mere annoyances because they're not "fun" or "interesting" to hear about is the same exact mindset that led to the holocaust getting as bad as it did.

shim, if you genuinely think this and aren't just saying it out of exhaustion and frustration, you probably should not post in this thread ever again. i have no idea what you've been through (i know it's Some poo poo, but i've never seen you talk about it before) but nothing can justify actually believing that. if you do, something is really wrong.

e: shim has PM'd me to clarify that he does not actually believe/want this, it was said out of exasperation. which... yeah, with how everything's been going, that's completely understandable. still a horrific thing to say, but at least it's just venting.

And just to add: Global Warming is going to basically guarantee that the Global South half of humanity is going to be a mass of angry people under poor living conditions and oppression for our lifetimes. If you are fed up with the Middle East now, I have really bad news for what the rest of the 21st Century will look like.

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Grip it and rip it: Apr 28, 2020

Kith posted:

so now that i'm back from the joyless void that is ohio

for anyone wondering, the above sentiment is so overwhelmingly callous that it's actually a dangerous pattern of thought. dehumanizing millions of people and framing countless human rights violations as mere annoyances because they're not "fun" or "interesting" to hear about is the same exact mindset that led to the holocaust getting as bad as it did.

shim, if you genuinely think this and aren't just saying it out of exhaustion and frustration, you probably should not post in this thread ever again. i have no idea what you've been through (i know it's Some poo poo, but i've never seen you talk about it before) but nothing can justify actually believing that. if you do, something is really wrong.

e: shim has PM'd me to clarify that he does not actually believe/want this, it was said out of exasperation. which... yeah, with how everything's been going, that's completely understandable. still a horrific thing to say, but at least it's just venting.

Its an old joke from this forum. There are probably dozens if not hundreds of posts discussing wanting to vaporize the planet or praying for nuclear fire to cleanse the earth.

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Tiny Timbs: Sep 6, 2008

I�m glad goons eventually stopped the trend of proclaiming they want to commit suicide in like, Games posts. Some day they�ll cut out the �I hope everyone else dies too� thing

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mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

Grip it and rip it posted:

Its an old joke from this forum. There are probably dozens if not hundreds of posts discussing wanting to vaporize the planet or praying for nuclear fire to cleanse the earth.

Calling for nuclear annihilation of the whole world is a bit different from singling out a specific region and groups of people.

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Kith: Sep 17, 2009; You never learn anything
by doing it right.

Grip it and rip it posted:

Its an old joke from this forum. There are probably dozens if not hundreds of posts discussing wanting to vaporize the planet or praying for nuclear fire to cleanse the earth.

"Nuclear fireball burning bright, bathe me in your cleansing light" is a joke.

"I want the middle east to nuke itself into oblivion so I don't have to think about that part of the world anymore" is not a joke, and even if it is, it's a really poo poo one to whip out in this context.

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ThisIsJohnWayne: Feb 23, 2007; Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!

Kith posted:

"Nuclear fireball burning bright, bathe me in your cleansing light" is a joke.

When it's not a joke it is the mentality of one kind of massshoter so, eh. There's wrong'uns for everything.

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FrozenVent: May 1, 2009; The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

The post has been made, the mod moderated, move on.

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pantslesswithwolves: Oct 28, 2008

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/14/politics/biden-administration-new-israel-arms-deal/index.html

quote:

The Biden administration on Tuesday began the early stages of a process to move ahead with a new $1 billion arms deal for Israel, according to two congressional sources.

The State Department has now opened discussions with the House Foreign Affairs and Senate Foreign Relations committees about the possible sale due to the informal notification on Tuesday. There is no set timeline for when Congress would officially be notified of the sale, setting into motion a clock for its approval.

I�ve resisted using the nickname Genocide Joe up until now but he seriously seems like he plans on running on it.

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Discussion Quorum: Dec 5, 2002; Armchair Philistine

God poo poo dammit Joe

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Handsome Ralph: Sep 3, 2004; Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!

Discussion Quorum posted:

God poo poo dammit Joe

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Proud Christian Mom: Dec 20, 2006; READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

its great that liberals spent like 7 years kvetching about russian interference when there's an actual genocidal ethnostate that runs US foreign policy

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Kith: Sep 17, 2009; You never learn anything
by doing it right.

said interference put trump in the white house and trump is why the current situation is as dire as it is so i think the kvetching is justified personally

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Ronwayne: Nov 20, 2007; That warm and fuzzy feeling.

In this specific case its the dems using it as an excuse of why they're not doing anything about the interference of the israeli government by pretending all foreign interference was 100% russian and not a mix of both (and other actors) working to destabilize american politics in various toxic ways. Russian interference was and is a significant problem but in this case it's being used in an attempt to distract from all other problems and failures.

Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 11:28 on May 15, 2024

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Tiny Timbs: Sep 6, 2008

Proud Christian Mom posted:

its great that liberals spent like 7 years kvetching about russian interference when there's an actual genocidal ethnostate that runs US foreign policy

russia, definitely not a genocidal ethnostate

# ? May 15, 2024 12:52

PurpleXVI: Oct 30, 2011; Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

Proud Christian Mom posted:

its great that liberals spent like 7 years kvetching about russian interference when there's an actual genocidal ethnostate that runs US foreign policy

Two things can be bad at the same time, possibly even in the same way.

# ? May 15, 2024 13:04

psydude: Apr 1, 2008

Speaking of Russia, I've been seeing photos of Israeli tanks with cope cages welded on. They did practically nothing to help the Russians other than restrict visibility and I don't see why that'd be any different for Israel.

# ? May 15, 2024 13:37

SerthVarnee: Mar 13, 2011; It has been ~~two~~ zero days since last incident.; Big Super Slapstick Hunk

psydude posted:

...They... restrict visibility and I don't see.

Sounds self-explanatory to me.

# ? May 15, 2024 13:40

kill me now: Sep 14, 2003; Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!

psydude posted:

Speaking of Russia, I've been seeing photos of Israeli tanks with cope cages welded on. They did practically nothing to help the Russians other than restrict visibility and I don't see why that'd be any different for Israel.

They aren't useful against things like Javelin or other top attack missiles but they have been somewhat effective in stopping drone dropped grenades down the loaders hatch. Since Hamas doesn't have high end top attack ATGMS, but does have drones it does make some sense.

They also don't have to worry about keeping a low profile since Hamas also has no tanks of their own.

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Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1790737144824426499?t=1GfIuSO6BUaMT3yPr8AKWg&s=19

Couldn't have a better "ally" in the world

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