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Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Christ on a spike, are they donating their OnlyFans money to Sleepy Joe?

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1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.
S-steppresident, why are you stuck in the ballot box??

Grey Fox
Jan 5, 2004

lol was wondering how long it would take for this to show up

Toph Bei Fong
Feb 29, 2008



The Oldest Man posted:

gently caress OFFFFFFF

Largely debunked, she says?

https://twitter.com/ericadyork/status/1785366395334652110

https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/opportunity-road/rooney-tariffs-rising-prices

quote:

The fact is that tariff barriers weaken the middle class. In the short term, they raise consumer prices. In the medium term, they weaken the nation’s manufacturing competitiveness and undermine middle-class jobs. In the long term, they inhibit innovation and the emergence of the next generation of middle-class jobs, weakening our children’s toe-hold in the middle class and sapping the nation’s prosperity over time.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/truth-about-tariffs

quote:

Importers pay tariffs to their home government. Most economists find that the bulk of tariff costs are passed on to consumers. This is particularly true for industries, such as retail or grocery stores, with small profit margins. A 2019 study by researchers from the Federal Reserve and the University of Chicago found that consumers bore more than 100 percent of the costs of washing machine tariffs, indicating that appliance retailers charged even more than the tariffs had cost them. Some more recent research [PDF] has found that U.S. consumers have “borne the brunt” of the tariffs on Chinese goods through higher prices. Still other studies have pointed to different costs for consumers: with tariffs on their foreign competitors, domestic producers can safely raise their prices. Ultimately, consumers share the burden with importers.

At the same time, exporters can cut prices to hold on to their market share. Most empirical research on recent U.S. tariffs suggests this has not occurred, but economists agree it is a possibility.

https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/tariffs-trump-trade-war/

quote:

Economists generally agree free trade increases the level of economic output and income, while conversely, trade barriers reduce economic output and income. Historical evidence shows tariffs raise prices and reduce available quantities of goods and services for U.S. businesses and consumers, which results in lower income, reduced employment, and lower economic output.

https://taxfoundation.org/blog/lessons-2002-bush-steel-tariffs/

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If this last round of steel tariffs has anything to teach us, it is that the long-term impact of tariff
s are higher prices and smaller quantities for U.S. businesses and consumers that result in lost business, reduced employment, and slower economic growth.

Ehh, well, it's probably nothing...

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012
The US adopting import substitution industrialization is amazing to see.

Toph Bei Fong
Feb 29, 2008




Empirically false. Like, not even Econ 101 level of understanding of how inflation works.

Like, they teach the rule of 70 in high school economics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Bac77rElo

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005


this book rules




CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀

Trabisnikof posted:

this book rules






Talking to liberals like this is really taxing for me because they've confused morals and ethics so thoroughly, and are so convinced that their beliefs are inherently good because they believe them, that they're just about impossible to communicate with.

Also, who was it a few days ago that spelled out that Western Liberal Capitalist Democracy is a more totalizing belief system than actual naziism? Because they nailed it.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

I am Professor of Politics and Philosophy at The University of Sydney.

I teach and research in political theory, the history of political thought, modern and contemporary French philosophy, and human rights. I grew up in Vancouver, Canada, studied in the United States (PhD, The Johns Hopkins University, Humanities Center 2007), and now call Sydney home.

For the past decade, my work has focused on one big idea: “political” ideas and institutions can and do inspire rich and rewarding ways of life. You can read about my research here and browse my books here.

My latest book, Liberalism as a Way of Life (Princeton 2024), is about how so many of us are liberals all the way down and draw our values (and our sense of what’s good, right, normal, outrageous, wrong, funny, worthwhile, and much more) from liberalism.

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀
The claim that everything you believe is actually the product of this ideology, that is one and the same with your innate human goodness, would have been a bit too kooky for Heinrich Himmler.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


https://x.com/timheidecker/status/1790834523971711357

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Grey Fox posted:

lol was wondering how long it would take for this to show up

I'm surprised it took that long.

Toph Bei Fong
Feb 29, 2008



Halloween Jack posted:

Christ on a spike, are they donating their OnlyFans money to Sleepy Joe?

No, that's going to AIPAC

https://twitter.com/NuanceBro/status/1753056725316386905

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀
The PornHub people are big time donors to the Liberal Party of Canada too, allegedly.

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.

Trabisnikof posted:

this book rules






But what has liberalism really done to replace religion? At least with secular materialism, there is the great Civic Project that all of humanity should dedicate itself to, but liberalism is so devoted to discourse that its only real project is the veneer of total diversity. Cool, everyone gets to participate in the debate sphere. Now what? What have we actually solved?

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012


His wife, Katie Chudnovsky

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

compound interest bitch

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

~🚚special delivery~📦

Trabisnikof posted:

this book rules






Ah, but you see! You must actually mean your beliefs come from another place! You must!

It is at this point that literally everyone I talk to stops paying attention to me and finds an excuse to quietly wander off, which clearly means that I am incredibly smart.

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000



Ultra Carp


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cdqQ2BdgOA

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

even money he outlives biden

Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004

Our posts

ScootsMcSkirt posted:

Reasons to be a Tankie

1. always right
2. big dick
3. full head of hair
4. extraordinarily humble
5. righteous

:(

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer
Trump is going to lose bad. It's as simple as that. While the polls are generally getting closer and they will probably flip for Biden closer to election day, they will not show his true support. It's nonsensical that centrist Senate Dems are running 10 points ahead of Biden. Nothing explains it except the possibility of vote splitting for wanting divided government or "Biden old, Trump should have the nuclear button while Democrats should have Congress," which doesn't explain much because Trump will then have the nuclear button. I understand that the polling allegedly shows apathy for Biden and even Trump, but save for some No Joe lunatic or two, I don't know anyone who's not planning to vote for Biden. Trump will lose, he has nearly 100 federal felony charges against him, etc.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



PostNouveau posted:

It's nonsensical that centrist Senate Dems are running 10 points ahead of Biden.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003


the suspended her twitter instantly lmao

pasaluki
Feb 27, 2008

THIS WHAGON HAS NO BREAKS! I HAVE THE HEART OF THE BUUFALO the strength OF THE MOUNTAIN, THE FURY OF THE THUNDER AND MY WILL IS UNBREAKABLE! I will not surrender to KNOW ONE
https://x.com/carolyn_from/status/1790780586799636662

Rectal Death Alert
Apr 2, 2021

PostNouveau posted:

Trump is going to lose bad. It's as simple as that. While the polls are generally getting closer and they will probably flip for Biden closer to election day, they will not show his true support. It's nonsensical that centrist Senate Dems are running 10 points ahead of Biden. Nothing explains it except the possibility of vote splitting for wanting divided government or "Biden old, Trump should have the nuclear button while Democrats should have Congress," which doesn't explain much because Trump will then have the nuclear button. I understand that the polling allegedly shows apathy for Biden and even Trump, but save for some No Joe lunatic or two, I don't know anyone who's not planning to vote for Biden. Trump will lose, he has nearly 100 federal felony charges against him, etc.

i like how this little thread holding that worldview up doesn't really account for the fact that primary races are nothing like presidential ones and the votes are drastically different between the two. Some rando losing their house seat in a Trump state to a 200,000 vote election has literally nothing to do with a presidential one with 30x the engagement

desperately wanting these primaries to be a ward against evil or whatever is fine but the people doing it need to maintain some perspective or they'll go literally insane in november

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

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Probably Magic posted:

But what has liberalism really done to replace religion? At least with secular materialism, there is the great Civic Project that all of humanity should dedicate itself to, but liberalism is so devoted to discourse that its only real project is the veneer of total diversity. Cool, everyone gets to participate in the debate sphere. Now what? What have we actually solved?

I have a few books on this, but iirc the gist is that this is the product of Quakers and Puritans in the North East forming the genesis of American liberalism, particularly abolitionism, which led to a crisis in American religion that's never been resolved. Really interesting theological issue actually, slavery split American Christianity in two, and the Civil War ended before there was a real theological solution. Essentially, slavery caused people to ask what was good in themselves and America, and the northern intellectual solution was, well, Methodist in that the method became the focus of their spiritual belief and reasoning, and that became the sort of secular heart of liberal ethics. Participation and discourse are all they have.

Briefly, as I said, liberalism's failure to replace religion with a substantive project stems from its historical roots in America's religious movements, particularly those of the Puritans and Quakers. These groups profoundly shaped the development of liberal ethics through their procedural emphasis and moral rigour. However, the secularization of these ethics - which came after they became hegemonic in higher education in the Northeast- has left liberalism with a hollow core, retaining the same puritanical impulses and issues of individual and collective guilt but lacking the unifying spiritual motivation.

The Quakers emphasized equality and the "inner light," focusing on direct, personal spiritual experience. Their proceduralism was evident in their "meeting ways," involving collective decision-making and consensus-building. Fischer, in Albion's Seed, describes how Quaker meetings operated on egalitarian principles, fostering a culture where every voice was heard and valued. This methodical approach to governance and community life became foundational to American political culture. Yet, as these procedural methods were secularized, the underlying spiritual motivations were lost, leaving a focus on process without the unifying moral vision. Similarly, the Puritans sought to create a "Bible Commonwealth" that exemplified Christian living, based on a covenant theology that viewed their community as a collective agreement under God’s law. Their proceduralism was rooted in maintaining social order and moral purity through strict adherence to rules and regulations. Fischer notes that Puritans meticulously crafted their legal and political systems, promoting a structured and orderly society. However, the secularization of this procedural rigor resulted in a system that retained the form of moral rectitude but lacked the spiritual substance that gave it meaning.

As American liberalism evolved, it inherited the procedural emphasis of the Quakers and Puritans but lost the spiritual and moral dimensions that originally gave it coherence and purpose. This secularization led to a focus on maintaining procedural fairness and inclusivity without addressing the deeper existential and moral questions that religion once answered. John Quincy Adams highlights this procedural focus. Adams, committed to the rule of law and procedural integrity as a form of morality, reached for process as a solution to contentious moral issues, such as during the Missouri Crisis. His approach shows the limitations of proceduralism, an emphasis on process overshadows the need for substantive solutions to moral and social issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rpHa7RLvc8

Is it right or wrong for men to be enslaved? Well, these men were unjustly enslaved, the rules say so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_YYf8Z4b3Q

Spielberg thought this was loving inspiring, and so did the educated Northeastern firm critics and professors who praised the hell out of this movie.

The New Deal coalition succeeded - briefly, to a degree - in replacing religion's cohesive societal role with a civic project of material improvement. During the New Deal, the focus on tangible economic reforms and social welfare fostered a sense of collective purpose and social solidarity. Government programs like Social Security, the WPA, and various public works projects directly addressed economic insecurity and unemployment, significantly improving material conditions and creating a shared sense of belief and belonging. In contrast, post-Clintonian liberalism has shifted away from material interventions, it's only cultural discourse and idpol. It fails to offer either spiritual salvation or material improvement. While the New Deal unified disparate groups around a common economic agenda, post-Clintonian liberalism can only promise diversity and inclusion, more women and POC CEOs, while the rest of us hope our equity groups get a share of a shrinking pie. Not even us, in particular, just people who look like us, or sleep with the same type of people as us. This focus, in theory promoting tolerance and mutual understanding, comes at the expense of addressing economic issues. Liberalism prioritizes symbolic victories over substantive improvements in people’s lives.

Religion traditionally provided spiritual salvation and a moral framework that united communities around shared values and goals. The New Deal replaced this with a civic project focused on economic justice and social welfare, offering a unifying vision that addressed both material needs and a sense of collective identity. However, post-Clintonian liberalism does not offer a cohesive project. Its emphasis on individual rights and diversity promotes inclusivity but inclusion in what? The hope of Lean In feminism, or even the I'm With Her bullshit, was that middle class women would feel more in common with a female CEO or president than their own class. I think as things have gotten noticeably worse materiality, that's fading away.

The focus on discourse and cultural recognition does not provide the same sense of purpose or community. Neoliberal economic policies embraced by post-Clintonian liberalism, such as deregulation, free trade, and austerity measures, have exacerbated economic inequalities and undermined the social safety net established by the New Deal. The decline of manufacturing jobs, wage stagnation, and the erosion of welfare programs have left people economically vulnerable and politically disillusioned. The failure of liberalism to provide either spiritual fulfillment or material improvement has caused a crisis of legitimacy. The lack of a compelling alternative vision has paved the way for economic and cultural grievances overlooked by liberalism. Liberals' only hope is to use minorities as a sort of ablative shield around the economic order, essentially.

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

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The Oldest Man posted:

the suspended her twitter instantly lmao

It's more significant because Israel had been using her as a poster girl. It's not some nobody staffer, this probably hurts.

Times of Israel:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRJzJSM7wPk

The Magnes Collection of Jewish Art and Life at the University of California, Berkeley:


JTA:



Which should put deleting her account immediately in context.

She had bylines and national press coverage when she was an undergrad, regional press coverage when she was in high school. This was someone who did all of the right things and truly believed in them, and that they lost her is significant.



Imagine if Mayor Pete quit in disgust or something. This was a wunderkind who was supposed to be in a senior position in State come 20 years.



The fact that people started making comments about her character as a "loony leftist" and axed her account gives the game away.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

:hmmyes:

quote:

I am very confident that Biden can easily beat Trump, especially if the mics are switched off after each answer. I am just wondering if Trump will remain coherent for the whole debate and hoping that every moment he rambles or slurs or goes off on strange tangents, or calls Biden by Obama’s name, is captured on video in front of a live audience of millions. This way the NYT and other complicit media won’t be able to cover up for Trump’s profound infirmities any more. (Part of me still thinks he might also pull out at the last minute with some sort of excuse or complaint about the moderator or whatever.)

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 35 minutes!

Projection

General Bullshit
Apr 20, 2020


ScootsMcSkirt posted:

Reasons to be a Tankie

1. always right
2. big dick
3. full head of hair
4. extraordinarily humble
5. righteous

Wrong!

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

tristeham posted:

oh a knicks fan. it all makes sense

Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004

Our posts

power to the peoples :china:

Thanks Terry your way better than a shark

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Palladium posted:

is that what phone scams are in the US

Yes

FistEnergy
Nov 3, 2000

DAY CREW: WORKING HARD

Fun Shoe

SixteenShells posted:

i was going to write a whole angry post yelling about the stencil but then i realized it doesn't loving matter

anyway gently caress that guy, i'm tired of seeing his face

:hai:

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/Penny_J_Thomas/status/1790815682428325967

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004


How will voting dem?

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 35 minutes!

It increases the likelihood of the Dems melting down and being replaced, hope this helps

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

It's just a long play... It's not going to work this election cycle.
But it may work the next one.

Because the only thing these ghouls care about are getting into and keeping their office and the only cudgel we have is not letting them keep it

No pain, no gain - right?
That's a goddamned American motto right there

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DoubleDonut
Oct 22, 2010


Fallen Rib
I don't think voting for anyone will do anything. But I hate the democrats and I really hate Joe Biden and I don't want them to be satisfied by winning the fake election

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