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just making sure i'm not missing something. i was hoping the court wouldn't have been dumb about this but welp
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agreed op, only corporations with no oversight should have unfettered control of and access to their customer's data
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Feb 17, 2016 16:48
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i still voted "it's messed up" because also, gently caress the man
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Feb 17, 2016 16:49
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yard salad posted:agreed op, only corporations with no oversight should have unfettered control of and access to their customer's data i don't think you understand why this particular case is unique and not your typical search warrant! that's ok though because very few people do.
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Necc0 posted:i don't think you understand why this particular case is unique and not your typical search warrant! that's ok though because very few people do. i hanve't been following this much an i'm willing to be educated. i'm guessing it's because the govt wants Apple to build a backdoor into customer's encrypted data?
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Feb 17, 2016 17:01
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yup. Apple and many others implemented end-to-end encryption after the Snowden leaks showed that user data wasn't even safe in their own systems. before this they held unencrypted user data which they'd provide when given a warrant but the NSA poisoned that well. now the fbi is pissed that they have to resort to real police work so here we are
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Feb 17, 2016 17:06
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Necc0 posted:yup. Apple and many others implemented end-to-end encryption after the Snowden leaks showed that user data wasn't even safe in their own systems. before this they held unencrypted user data which they'd provide when given a warrant but the NSA poisoned that well. not to defend them, but in many cases they're looking for evidence for the case. nowadays a lot of evidence is digital only, and stored on smartphones. their intentions are good (seeking evidence) but their methods are dumb
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Feb 17, 2016 17:15
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if anyone can just ignore a lawful court order then chaos is what you get. is that what you want, op?
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Feb 17, 2016 17:20
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lol the courts literally want people to get hacked by the russian mafia
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Feb 17, 2016 17:26
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it is bullshit that will also lead to better standards for end-to-end encryption or double-signing everything with the nsa's key and then having that key leaked by someone who decides living like a king in russia is more fun than being a cj
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Feb 17, 2016 17:28
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Big time apple hater here to chime in and say Tim is 100% right.
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Feb 17, 2016 17:28
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Ludwig van Halen posted:if anyone can just ignore a lawful court order then chaos is what you get. is that what you want, op? You can't ignore a lawful order. This one isn't lawful tho.
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Feb 17, 2016 17:29
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jony ive aces posted:lol the courts literally want people to get hacked by the russian mafia it would also enable places like China to further spy on their citizens. but silicon valley companies have always happily enabled China in this regard so I don't believe it when people say Tim is making a principled stand for privacy and freedom
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Feb 17, 2016 17:30
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the what op???
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Feb 17, 2016 17:32
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maniacdevnull posted:You can't ignore a lawful order. This one isn't lawful tho. unlawful or you don't agree with it?
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Feb 17, 2016 17:34
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Ludwig van Halen posted:if anyone can just ignore a lawful court order then chaos is what you get. is that what you want, op? sic semper tyrannis ✊🏻
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Feb 17, 2016 17:55
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Ludwig van Halen posted:unlawful or you don't agree with it? Unlawful.
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Feb 17, 2016 17:58
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As a Millennial I posted:the what op??? https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/ im the url
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Feb 17, 2016 18:28
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Yes. Also consider that this is what we get when we leave heaping amounts of text in the federal register. They're not all bad laws, but they all can have unintended consequences, even 225 years later or whatever. also quote:agreed op, only corporations with no oversight should have unfettered control of and access to their customer's data
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Feb 17, 2016 18:51
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Necc0 posted:Apple and many others (citation needed) implemented end-to-end encryption
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Feb 17, 2016 18:51
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Hed posted:Yes. Also consider that this is what we get when we leave heaping amounts of text in the federal register. They're not all bad laws, but they all can have unintended consequences, even 225 years later or whatever. b-b-b-b-ut the founding fathers intended
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Feb 17, 2016 18:52
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No I think it's good. I dont care if they get my phone history -- the FBI can see my porn sites as long as Im not being blown up or shot at by jihadis .
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Feb 17, 2016 18:54
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I mean, remember the movie The Firm? With the janitor from Scrubs? Tom Cruise took them down for mail fraud. Mail Fraud!
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Feb 17, 2016 19:12
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people opposed to what apple is doing are ones who despite being adults use terms like "good guys" and "bad guys" so since the fbi are good guys we should give them access I mean they're good guys so nothing will ever go wrong and we'll catch the bad guys and get rid of them
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Feb 17, 2016 19:17
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qirex posted:people opposed to what apple is doing are ones who despite being adults use terms like "good guys" and "bad guys" so since the fbi are good guys we should give them access I mean they're good guys so nothing will ever go wrong and we'll catch the bad guys and get rid of them lol, agreed.
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Feb 17, 2016 19:30
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i also just want to verify, folks are aware that tim is going to comply even if he posts some huffy statement seemingly to the contrary, right?
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Feb 17, 2016 19:40
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deliver a base64-encoded firmware to the FBI printed in San Francisco typeface
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Feb 17, 2016 19:41
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Stymie posted:i also just want to verify, folks are aware that tim is going to comply even if he posts some huffy statement seemingly to the contrary, right? He will comply with the lawful court order, yes.
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Feb 17, 2016 19:42
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i mean he'll do anything and everything the fbi wants, whether or not folks justify them as "unlawful"
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Feb 17, 2016 19:44
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i hope tim digs his heels in and says "you can put it in my rear end, but not my backdoor"
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Feb 17, 2016 19:50
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the strapping young boys at the EFF have stepped up to the plate https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/02/eff-support-apple-encryption-battle
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Feb 17, 2016 19:52
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idgaf about this because i just accept that at least one of the apps on my android phone already sends all of my personal info to Chairman Mao's Eternal Electronic Brain 24/7
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Feb 17, 2016 19:55
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/17/why_tim_cook_is_wrong_a_privacy_advocates_view/ They aren't asking to break the encryption. They just want to be able to guess the pin an infinite number of times.
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Feb 17, 2016 20:17
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I thought google did as well?? a hearty lmao if they haven't
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qirex posted:people opposed to what apple is doing are ones who despite being adults use terms like "good guys" and "bad guys" so since the fbi are good guys we should give them access I mean they're good guys so nothing will ever go wrong and we'll catch the bad guys and get rid of them i haven't found anyone irl who's against what apple's doing here even the ones who have ironside play in their head when they see an iphone
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Feb 17, 2016 20:35
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can't wait for the fbi to release the encryption version of 'net neutrality mumbo jumbo' psa
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Feb 17, 2016 20:38
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Xaris posted:i'm the eyesore headache inducing font its a p deece letter and i like tims moves towards privacy and carbon neutrality. but this typeface!! this typeface is simply inexcusable!! gently caress you tim!!! YOSPOS Bitch!!
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Feb 17, 2016 20:50
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Xaris posted:i'm the eyesore headache inducing font sorry about your poor choice of os
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why didn't they just issue an nsl with a nice fat gag order then apple wouldn't be able to appeal to people's heartstrings publicly?
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