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Rules Sheet Player Order Fellis blackmongoose Mr. Squishy Admanb Jordan Minor Order Mr. Squishy fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Oct 26, 2018 |
# ? Oct 23, 2018 16:00 |
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Mr. Squishy posted:I'm looking for 2 to 5 other people to play 18Ireland, a recent game in the 18xx family. I'd describe it as a mutant '49; poor country, with bad terrain, and an arcane stock market. There's a lot of weird things in the game, so I'd advise people to read the rules, but I'll just detail three of the gimmicks that have made me want to play this game as soon as I saw it. It's just recently got a Board18 module, and a Sheet that works for it. Ireland looks like this A large-ish map with a lot of towns. All of those company logos represent Minor companies, which have to be bought in a pre-determined order. There is only one off-board location, which is tied to a Private. Mr. Squishy fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Oct 23, 2018 |
# ? Oct 23, 2018 16:07 |
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I’m in.
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# ? Oct 23, 2018 16:25 |
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49-like you say Im in, Board18 is Fellis
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# ? Oct 23, 2018 16:47 |
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I am very interested, hex trains are great and the narrow gauge rule is a beautiful expression of a concept I've been playing around with house ruling into existing games for a while now. I don't really know what board18 is, do I need to download it or sign up for it or something?
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# ? Oct 23, 2018 17:05 |
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Oh yeah I should have said. Board18 is a free PBEM service for 18xx's. Register there and give me your handle and I'll invite you to the right board. It has all the assets (map, tiles, tokens) that make up the board. Things held by players (money, company charters, trains, etc) are done on a google Sheet, which I'll also post and I'd appreciate if you ask for an invite edit to. Board18 is pretty simple, the biggest snag is it's not click and drag, but click and click. There's a toolbar at the top that lets you switch between the map and the stock market (shortcut is the M key), and a way to hide tiles to see exactly what you've covered up with a rail service (shortcut the H key). The Sheet's liable to be a bigger pain but we'll get to that.
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# ? Oct 23, 2018 17:23 |
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I'm still learning 18xx but I'm in if you don't mind a newbie.
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# ? Oct 23, 2018 17:39 |
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Everyone's welcome. I'm not an expert in them by any means.
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# ? Oct 23, 2018 17:47 |
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Sweet! Just registered on Board18 -- same name as here.
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# ? Oct 23, 2018 17:49 |
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Registered on board18 as blackmongoose
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# ? Oct 23, 2018 17:52 |
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OK, I'm calling it here as 6 players might be foolhardy. I've added everyone to the board, except Jordan who needs to give me a username. Here's the Sheet. Ask for edit permissions and you'd get em. It's quite a swish one, and has randomized player order which is: Fellis blackmongoodse Mr. Squishy Admanb Jordan. 'Ireland also randomizes Minor companies. They are stacked, and must be started in order. In Phase 4 on, they can merge to form Majors, from 6 on, you can start Majors from the off, and Phase 8, all un-started Minors are removed from the game. Here's the order transposed on the map. GJR in Sligo is removed from the game from the off. Bear in mind we're only removing companies, not the cities they're based in. Starting a company here is auctioning off the president's share, minimum bid is £100, no maximum bid. Obviously some spots are better than others so you may want to keep some money to hand. Also randomized are the Private Companies, which I'll copy from the sheet here First and last are in every game, but the remaining three are random. The auction for these is a cascade auction like '30, except if everyone passes after DAR is bought, all unbought privates are discarded. Starting w/ Fellis, players have an option to pass their turn, buy the cheapest company (so, DAR) or place a bid for a more expensive company. Bids must be £5 more than the value of the company, or £5 more than a pre-existing bid. When the cheaper company is bought, all companies that have bids on are also purchased for the bid price (companies w/ 2 or more bids start an auction between those w/ bids on it). This continues until we hit a company nobody's bid on, then we go back to either Pass, Buy, or Bid. I think all the abilities are reasonably clear. DAR's Wicklow hex is J14, TDR's Tralee and Dingle hexes are A19 and B18, so pretty good for whoever gets WLR near Limerick. e: so Fellis, Pass, Buy, or Bid? Mr. Squishy fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Oct 23, 2018 |
# ? Oct 23, 2018 20:11 |
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Gonna need a few hours to skim the rules/board and stuff!
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# ? Oct 23, 2018 20:18 |
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A little thing, because it confused me. Company logos on tile-less hexes (ie, everywhere except Dublin) aren't sitting on cities. They're just showing what city they're based on. There aren't freak three-city hexes out there.
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# ? Oct 23, 2018 20:33 |
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Good luck here everyone. I have gotten about half a dozen plays of 18Ireland in with my group before we shelved it. It has some really interesting concepts, but the fact that the game is incredibly cash poor kinda hampers it. Hopefully I am not overstepping, but here is a bit of advice with regards to small gauge track. Take a look at the tiles and keep them in mind. While narrow gauge track looks attractive as it doesn’t pay terrain costs, and boosts your city tiles, it takes a really long time to develop. The yellow town tiles do not go through, so you have to spend a turn upgrading to green before you can keep expanding the network. In our group, every game at least one player would buy a minor near a bunch of small dots and think they were going to connect them all to the home for a big run. Only to realize that it will take half the game or focusing on the narrow gauge track just to get a $20 or $30 bonus on one city. In general, look closely at all the track, especially what the special tiles upgrade to. The EM tiles stay poor, and the BC don’t connect through until late. The designer of the game admitted that the obsolete trains are in the game primarily to give trainless companies a lifeline to make it to the next OR for a merge to happen. So if they seem like a terrible deal, it’s because they are.
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# ? Oct 23, 2018 20:48 |
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Haha, not kidding. EM tiles cap at green on a £20 payout, half the green BC or DUB tiles, which keep developing to a £60 grey tileOrvin posted:...While narrow gauge track looks attractive as it doesn’t pay terrain costs, Definitely a rule I caught when perusing the rulebook. Mr. Squishy fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Oct 23, 2018 |
# ? Oct 23, 2018 21:26 |
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I think I've fallen in love with the track tiles in this game, especially the brown plain track. Also enjoyed the rulebook quote "Bankruptcy stalks you like Death in 18Ireland." I'm really excited to get eliminated in OR1.
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# ? Oct 23, 2018 21:51 |
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Bid 85 on RSSC
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# ? Oct 24, 2018 03:50 |
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Bid 125 on DKR
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# ? Oct 24, 2018 04:00 |
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£45 on BOW.
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# ? Oct 24, 2018 11:13 |
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50 on BOW
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# ? Oct 24, 2018 16:21 |
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I’ve only got view only access to the sheet for some reason. Bidding 90 on RSSC.
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# ? Oct 24, 2018 18:24 |
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Jordan7hm posted:I’ve only got view only access to the sheet for some reason. You have to request edit access.
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# ? Oct 24, 2018 18:30 |
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Yeah, there's a button in the (iirc) top right that sends me an email.
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# ? Oct 24, 2018 18:37 |
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130 on DKR
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# ? Oct 24, 2018 19:57 |
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55 on TDR
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# ? Oct 24, 2018 21:13 |
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I'll buy DAR and bid 60 for the next one. e: uh i mean 55, on BOW.
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# ? Oct 24, 2018 21:29 |
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So now we auction BOW between you and I, right? Bid 60
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# ? Oct 24, 2018 21:47 |
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You've got it! Then i think mongoose wins the next one, and then something else happens. I'm phone posting.
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# ? Oct 24, 2018 21:55 |
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Oops missed a bid.
admanb fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Oct 24, 2018 |
# ? Oct 24, 2018 21:57 |
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Jordan will win RSSC for 90 immediately, I have $130 on DKR and can’t outbid them
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# ? Oct 24, 2018 22:09 |
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Fellis posted:Jordan will win RSSC for 90 immediately, I have $130 on DKR and can’t outbid them Oh I see. You couldn't have placed your bid for B surely as that takes you down to -15. I wasn't paying enough heed obviously, but there's a thing in a rulebook about bids locking up the money until ownership is resolved (which I interpret as until the thing is purchased). So even if you had made up your mind to rake back the money offered to RSSC after Jordan had outbid you, it wasn't yet back in your hands to bid on DKR. I don't know where we go from here, I'm most tempted to just let it ride and let Fellis and mongoose bid it out for DKR, but that might be unfair to mongoose and so we could change Fellis' bid to a pass, or we could rewind the whole thing a few posts. Any imput would be welcome.
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# ? Oct 24, 2018 23:17 |
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My input is that I’m ok no matter what we do.
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# ? Oct 25, 2018 00:52 |
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I'm fine either way, but letting it ride gets us moving forward quickest so I'd vote that way, but ultimately I think mongoose has the most important vote.
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# ? Oct 25, 2018 01:03 |
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Ah whoops. I knew my money was tied up while I had an active bid, but I thought once I was outbid I was good to use it again. E: welp nevermind that’s how it’s worded in other 18xx, you just usually have a lot more starting capital so it doesn’t come up. My bad. Blackmongoose: I would have bid on TDR if I didn’t bid on DKR (which was actually my action till I realized that BM could buy DAR and cascade) so you can let it proceed as played or have DKR for 125 and we bid on TDR Fellis fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Oct 25, 2018 |
# ? Oct 25, 2018 01:09 |
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Fellis posted:Ah whoops. I knew my money was tied up while I had an active bid, but I thought once I was outbid I was good to use it again. I would prefer the latter because we can resolve it right now - under your alternate scenario, had you bid on TDR I would have passed and you would have it for 55 after DAR was bought. Alternatively if we keep my bid on TDR you bid 55, I bid 60, and I would pass if you chose to over bid me. Either of those outcomes lets us finish it now. If we're bidding on DKR, I would have to wait until I get home to decide my bid which might be several hours. If everyone is ok with waiting though I'm fine with acceding to the thread consensus to let it ride
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# ? Oct 25, 2018 01:54 |
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Another thought is we could just rewind and say Fellis bids on TDR, I pass, and it's Squishy's turn
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# ? Oct 25, 2018 02:01 |
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blackmongoose posted:Another thought is we could just rewind and say Fellis bids on TDR, I pass, and it's Squishy's turn Let's do this, its relatively easy and makes the actions correct. This is what the private auction looks like now: Squishy's turn
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# ? Oct 25, 2018 02:48 |
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OK, I still buy DOW, don't up my bid on 3 so Ad gets it, Fellis gets TDR and gets into an auction w/ Jordan
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# ? Oct 25, 2018 12:43 |
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Pass so Jordan gets RSSC for 90 and BMG gets DKR for 125
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# ? Oct 25, 2018 14:54 |
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DKR insistently turns from a private to a minor of stock price 60, and buys a train with 80 of that 125. Uh, is it Ad next in the Stock Round proper?
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# ? Oct 25, 2018 15:21 |