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Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
To paraphrase Jack Handey- "when I think of all the TV I watched as a kid, I think, man, I am really rich with TV". Not surprisingly, very little of the stuff I watched holds up at all, and none less so than the show 'Doug'.

I was reminded of the show the other day and it surprised me how little of it I remembered for how many episodes I watched. I feel like I have to watch them again just so I can consciously make an effort to UN-learn some of the lessons my idiot child brain absorbed without question. I do remember it being peppered with some very questionable sketchy morals and was obviously an outlet for its creator's anxieties, to the point where I was aware I was only watching it because it was an animated show, shown on a network for kids, at a time I was watching TV. When it became Disney's Doug I started watching documentaries on whales instead like a good autist.

Looking back, with the exception of Rocko pretty much all the Nickelodeon shows are terrible. Duckman was tight, but I think that was a Klasky-Csupo joint, and also uniquely suited for the very grotesque style of animation that particular studio was known for- but I digress.

Straddling the divide between rural and urban America are the trash hinterlands of suburbia, where millions of Dougs live and breathe and multiply in silent misery and unarticulated rage. Instead of the urban sensibilities of Hey Arnold or the bucolic thoughtfulness of Arthur, Doug is an insight into the mind of a Columbine kid.

According to Wikipedia, the creator Jim Jinkins lived in Richmond, VA in the 1950s, which tells you everything you need to know about the kinds of morality tales (really amorality tales) that are crystallized within the series.

The show is notable for its depiction of characters in a variety of deliberately fantastical skin tones- according to Jinkins this "symbolize[d] the irrelevance of race"- a nice thought. Truthfully however, instead of the irrelevance of race, it highlights the centrality of whiteness to being a protagonist in life in general.

In the show, everyone else is colorful and different, while Doug is white and thus "normal". It reassures the viewer, looking and thinking much like the show's creator- "Don't worry- white people's place as History's Protagonist is not in any danger." It speaks more to the creator's distaste or unwillingness to address the very real realities of race in America than any kind of progressive mindset. It's the drawn equivalent of not wanting to have a conversation about race because it would be "impolite" or "uncomfortable" (the discomfort comes from having that bubble of whiteness breached, the feeling of impoliteness comes from the necessary self-confrontation of actually having to unpack your own privilege to understand what you take for granted in your own life on account of what you were born into this world as).

Perhaps Jinkins was right- it highlights the "irrelevance" of race, but from the perspective of whiteness, where at best race is perceived as an obstacle and inconvenience, and is certainly not a topic of 'polite' conversation or a subject needing reconciliation or historical context.

Let us also not forget the laughable hubris of "Doug's First Movie" (who the gently caress wants to see a 'first' movie starring this nebbish, let alone a second?). Also lmao at replacing Billy West with literally anyone (which they did). Dopes!

So let's dispense with this fiction that there's anything "Funny" about Doug Funnie. He's explicitly not a good guy, but not defiant or adversarial enough to power to be considered an anti-hero. In the face of his imagined powerlessness, he retreats into the pathetic Walter Mittie character of Quailman (more like Failman imo).

Well GBS, that is my Doug post. What did you think of this awful piece of poo poo garbage TV show? What was the worst lesson YOU repressed from it?

Have at it and happy posting! :tipshat:

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Poohs Packin
Jan 13, 2019

Yea I never had cable and was more of what you might call an "outside" kid until much later in adolescence so in short I'm Roger Klotz kicking your Doug rear end in this situation .

EA Sports
Feb 10, 2007

by Azathoth
i dont think you can honestly say a character with a nose like that is "white".

bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004

Wow very controversial stuff here op

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
i agree with the OP. not very funny, pretty boring

luchajones
Jan 28, 2018

I have no beard, and I must scream

bus hustler
Mar 14, 2019

Ha Ha Ha... YES!
the premise is right but the OP manages to be wrong and suck anyway by trying to be some fake unfunny essay about white privilege.

Doug kinda sucks because Doug is insane and needs therapy and is an rear end in a top hat, literally the worst character on the show. I feel like this show specifically taught me how to be an over anxious over thinking piece of poo poo and I spent years digging out of the hole. (Digging up)

ChickenHeart
Nov 28, 2007

Take me at your own risk.

Kiss From a Hog
Can't wait to read your article about Action League Now and how The Flesh's portrayal irreparably-damaged nudist culture.

Ehud
Sep 19, 2003

football.

BANGIN'

on the trash can

BANGIN'

on he street light

nice sweater vest, idiot hahahaha

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016

bus hustler posted:

the premise is right but the OP manages to be wrong and suck anyway by trying to be some fake unfunny essay about white privilege

Not sure what's funny about white privilege to you, but okay

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
green lives matter

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
OP is Mr. Dink in that one daydream where Doug tries to apologize for breaking his grill and turns into a muppet-rear end werewolf but instead of a broken grill its over the context of a lovely 90's kids show merely existing

20 Blunts
Jan 21, 2017
how about this, OP: white male mediocrity

Pulvis Sumus
Jul 27, 2011
I used to live with a guy whose schtick was to regularly impersonate Mr. Dink trying to sell weed to Doug whenever we smoked. He was pretty good at it. Welp that's my story.

Kwatz
Aug 14, 2008

20 Blunts posted:

how about this, OP: white male mediocrity

:hmmyes:

Korthal
May 26, 2011

WILDTURKEY101
Mar 7, 2005

Look to your left. Look to your right. Only one of you is going to pass this course.
i remember my dad complaining that Doug was whiny and a wimp before changing the channel on me a few times when I was a kid

Seth Pecksniff
May 27, 2004

can't believe shrek is fucking dead. rip to a real one.

I love to "Doug"

Blueshirt
Sep 27, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
poo poo cartoon.

Excellent music. Everyone remembers the Beets songs and Banging On A Trashcan, but all the incidental music was rad. Tied with Totally Spies! for "Shittest cartoon with bestest music".

Blueshirt fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Jan 14, 2021

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
It was fine but you were really killing time between rugrats and Hey arnold

crazy eyes mustafa
Nov 30, 2014

WILDTURKEY101 posted:

i remember my dad complaining that Doug was whiny and a wimp before changing the channel on me a few times when I was a kid

Your dad owns lol

Also isn’t the show dynamic basically Tintin and Snowy? Not content with being simply problematic, the show has to be derivative too :rolleyes:

The Walrus
Jul 9, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

teach me how to doug

Tato
Jun 19, 2001

DIRECTIVE 236: Promote pro-social values
I'm old now and like tofu, but can appreciate the sentiment behind fearing it. The Beats knew what it was about. I NEED MORE ALLOWANCE.

Also I think I tried liver and onions for the first time because I thought it looked good on that Doug episode. It is.

A Strange Aeon
Mar 26, 2010

You are now a slimy little toad
The Great Twist
"There's a bomb in the lasagna!" is what I remember for some dumb reason, and his weird dramatic older sister.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

crazy eyes mustafa posted:

Your dad owns lol

Also isn’t the show dynamic basically Tintin and Snowy? Not content with being simply problematic, the show has to be derivative too :rolleyes:

it's more Charlie Brown and Snoopy, in that Doug is a loser and Porkchop is consistently cooler than him. but whereas Charlie Brown understood that he was a loser and bore his fate with dignity, Doug is just a whiny rear end in a top hat who has to be dragged kicking and screaming into doing the right thing no matter how obvious or trivial.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

A Strange Aeon posted:

"There's a bomb in the lasagna!" is what I remember for some dumb reason, and his weird dramatic older sister.

That. That episode was hilarious and almost makes up for the rest of the show being trash. Even as a kid I thought it was garbage and that Doug was an entitled little punk. And that it was kind of odd how everyone was weird colors except the white kid. Like I get the point he was supposedly trying to make, but then Doug should have been some other color, too. There shouldn't have been anyone with real-world human skintones.

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

I am the astronaut, symbol of all who came before me!

GolfHole
Feb 26, 2004

i think about this art a lot

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth
Ooo-eee-ooo

Killer tofu

Ooo-eee-ooo

Killer to-FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth
Did anyone else think the Beets sounded like Blue Oyster Cult?

The Bramble
Mar 16, 2004

I haven't gone into a forest in years because I'm so scared of nematodes

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
I've always heard that Doug is also to blame for why we never got Invader Zim or the Angry Beavers or any other Nick shows that were cancelled while still good on other networks. That apparently Nick was super salty about having sold Doug to Disney who then were able to turn more of a profit than they ever did off of it, and that because of that Nick is basically - or at least was for the 2000s - going to hold on to all of its IPs with a death grip.

So if that's true and you need another reason to hate Doug, there ya go.

Chrispurple
Dec 29, 2012

Oh man, this is gonna be great.

low key sex master posted:

I love to "Doug"

DOUG

FASTER

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth
Also we can all agree that Doug is a stupid name

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013

Doug was absolutely that dude that claimed to never smoke weed but was always the one to cash the bowl and never even cough up a 5 spot or bring beer that louse addled bitch. At least skeeter and patti were good for it

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013

Chrispurple posted:

DOUG

FASTER

Patti, please.

Parrot Doctor
Aug 28, 2004

iwentdoodie
Apr 29, 2005

🤗YOU'RE WELCOME🤗
Porkchop was a loving baller tho

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

I've always heard that Doug is also to blame for why we never got Invader Zim or the Angry Beavers or any other Nick shows that were cancelled while still good on other networks. That apparently Nick was super salty about having sold Doug to Disney who then were able to turn more of a profit than they ever did off of it, and that because of that Nick is basically - or at least was for the 2000s - going to hold on to all of its IPs with a death grip.

So if that's true and you need another reason to hate Doug, there ya go.

I don't think this can actually be counted as doug's fault

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crazy eyes mustafa
Nov 30, 2014

Straight White Shark posted:

it's more Charlie Brown and Snoopy, in that Doug is a loser and Porkchop is consistently cooler than him. but whereas Charlie Brown understood that he was a loser and bore his fate with dignity, Doug is just a whiny rear end in a top hat who has to be dragged kicking and screaming into doing the right thing no matter how obvious or trivial.

Ugh that’s so much worse


I liked the music in the Tintin cartoon, but I enjoyed that one unironically and still have all the books
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVr2Ah8N9v0
Now that’s a hit of pure nostalgia. Apparently it’s on Netflix. Welp see ya

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