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im not british so i would appreciate one of you weirdos telling me about him but i read a couple of articles in the Guardian and he seems like hes pretty cool and might actually win the labor party leadership election? also he really likes wearing a Lenin hat with sandals + socks apparently also a cool cartoon i saw on your english website 
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if it helps americans, think of him as a bernie sanders with hillary clintons poll numbers
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Jul 31, 2015 00:36
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Gum posted:if it helps americans, think of him as a bernie sanders with hillary clintons poll numbers or, maybe more helpfully mcgovern, with mcgovern's polls numbers Pinterest Mom has issued a correction as of 00:40 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Jul 31, 2015 00:38
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Pinterest Mom posted:or, maybe more helpfully what was wrong with goldwater
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Jul 31, 2015 00:44
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i personally can't wait for 2020 when president bernie and prime minister corbyn meet for the first time in the white house, the red flag flying high above them
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Jul 31, 2015 00:45
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Gum posted:what was wrong with goldwater i was going to make another post clarifying that i meant like on the left but then i remembered that the democrats had had their own goldwater
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Jul 31, 2015 00:51
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He's probably the most left-wing Labour party member around and has been touted as being the Labour MP who has most voted against his party whip. Labour was historically the Socialist-like party of the UK although it was never wholly committed to it. It's since dropped that and basically become what the Democrats are in the USA, the kinder face of Capitalism. The Marxist strain within the Labour party largely left by the late 80's and early 90's to set up their own policies. Based on his record he's better than all the other mainstream candidates in the UK by a large margin, but that's not saying much. On the other hand he has had to work within the system rather than having had a chance to direct it and this weekend he's at the Red Star festival which is arranged by the Communist Party of Great Britain and hosted at the Marx Memorial Library so maybe he's ready to lead the revolution. team overhead smash has issued a correction as of 01:09 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Jul 31, 2015 01:06
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:im not british so i would appreciate one of you weirdos telling me about him but i read a couple of articles in the Guardian and he seems like hes pretty cool and might actually win the labor party leadership election? also he really likes wearing a Lenin hat with sandals + socks apparently if you are after an actual serious answer then his wikipedia page gives a pretty good summary of who he is and what he's about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn
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Jul 31, 2015 01:18
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dude is a wanker maybe a couple of degrees above galloway cant support leninist scum imo if he was Tony Benn it would have worked but Corbyn is shite Top City Homo has issued a correction as of 02:48 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Jul 31, 2015 02:46
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Jul 31, 2015 03:08
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Top City Homo posted:dude is a wanker maybe a couple of degrees above galloway why is he a "shite" "wanker"
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Jul 31, 2015 06:15
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Are you mental? He's nothing like Galloway. Gorgeous George is a self-serving rape apologist who's demographic is the Islamic far right and blames his election loss to a Muslim woman (who he also accused of lying about domestic violence) on "racists and Zionists". The only things he has in common with Corbyn are the Stop the War Coalition and Palestine, and even then Corbyn did it properly by promoting dialogue between the factions while Galloway was shouting about how he personally doesn't believe in Israel.
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Jul 31, 2015 07:49
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im loving with you all he seems like a decent enough person and if Tony Benn thought he was decent then he should go for it but galloway can die in a ditch
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Jul 31, 2015 09:06
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he's a babe
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Jul 31, 2015 10:04
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Our glorious leader
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IceAgeComing posted:i personally can't wait for 2020 when president bernie and prime minister corbyn meet for the first time in the white house, the red flag flying high above them Along with Prime Minister of Canada Tom "The Beard" Mulcair OvineYeast posted:Our glorious leader This is unironically good. I would vote for any politician who appears distraught while taking a bus for a non-photo op
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Professor Shark posted:This is unironically good. I would vote for any politician who appears distraught while taking a bus for a non-photo op Absolutely, I posted it cause it sums up why you should vote for Corbyn.
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He's okay. For a reformist social democrat. e: for you yanks: the UK Labour party used to have a clause in its constitution, called Clause IV, which stated the aim of the party: quote:To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.[1] This clause was removed almost unilaterally by Tony Blair and his cronies about 20 years ago. When asked about getting it back recently Corbae gave at least a glimmer of hope by saying he wanted the entire policy-making activity of the party to be democratised to the membership, rather than dictated from the leadership. communism bitch has issued a correction as of 14:55 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Jul 31, 2015 14:52
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Oberleutnant posted:He's okay. For a reformist social democrat. what a piece of poo poo that tony blair i dont even get it why run for labour control if you act like tory light have some decency and join the libdems where you fuckin belong.
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Jul 31, 2015 16:13
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the british do not deserve redemption from their vampiric ruling classes. the average british prole helped the same creatures now siphoning away their healthcare and unemployment funds to impose the victorian imperium over millions of others, gently caress em
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Jul 31, 2015 16:20
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its retarded the empire is dead why do we need tories abolish the house of lords
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Jul 31, 2015 16:44
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The Lords are the only thing protecting us from Call Me Dave, Theresa "oval office" May, and Gideon right now.
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Jul 31, 2015 16:47
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Oberleutnant posted:He's okay. For a reformist social democrat. prepare yourselves for a lot of policy's targeting chemtrails and GMO food then.
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Jul 31, 2015 16:50
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In Canada Harper is using unemployment as his personal piggybank to fund campaign promises his terrible policies cannot provide for (among other things, like selling off Crown property left and right). Conservatives loving suck haha
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Jul 31, 2015 16:50
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Oberleutnant posted:The Lords are the only thing protecting us from Call Me Dave, Theresa "oval office" May, and Gideon right now. which is why they're planning on appointing a bunch of new conservative peers
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Jul 31, 2015 17:08
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the main argument against corbyn is the usual 'he can't win an election', which is a reasonable concern to advance, but neglects that the right-wing of the labour party also can't win an election gamble worth taking imo when the 'centrist' leadership has degenerated so far that they can't bring themselves to oppose child poverty while the party disintegrates around them
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Jul 31, 2015 17:29
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basically. we don't know for certain what would win labour the next election, but its probably not the strategy that cost them the last one
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Jul 31, 2015 17:50
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When the US gets Sanders, the UK gets Corbyn, and Canada gets the beard dude, is that when he unite as Oceania?
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let me tell you all the most basic aspects of modern conservatism 1.) it is beholden to finance exclusively-it doesn't have actual values 2.) finance is driven by banks 3.) banks are driven by profits 4.) banks create profits by making debt 5.) when there is too much leveraged speculative debt the market crashes and they need to be bailed out 6.) private debt is still on the books but cannot be collected 7.) Too much undischarged private debt makes banks nervous to lend squeezing productive investment and slowing down the economy 7.) public debt can be reduced to continue speculation-this is when the conservatives come in. They are there to destroy. Like collection agents for the banks. 8.) conservatives get elected and slash public debt to inch up the loan ceiling a little bit more and allow for private firms to pilfer accrued public assets and resources- think of it as corporate raiders coming in and dissolving a company and distributing its assets for quick cash and negligible market position. 9.) lack of funds for essential services reduce employment and depress wages as well as drive businesses under 10.) undervalued but profitable assets are put on the market at a fire sale 11.) conglomerates acquire more market share and consolidate further 12.) banks see a "better" business environment and begin to lend again- better means depressed wages, low public spending and high unemployment; high unemployment=depressed wages= more profit 13.) the undervalued assets look really good for investment 14) banks compete for loans and drive another asset bubble 15.) panic about over leveraged assets shock the market 16.) the government goes into deficit stabilizing toxic or panicked assets 17.) artificial support drives the economy for a couple of years 18.) Consumer confidence is restored in the belief that the markets are OK and the economy is reported as in recovery 19.) Conservative lending on stable assets turns into more over leveraged loans 19.) The markets collapse into a worldwide Depression we are in stage 17 never vote in a conservative
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The best part is the Blairites threatening to force Corbyn out by Christmas if he wins, because being a left-wing party is apparently worse than being a party that ignores democracy entirely. That or Kendall and Umunna "threatening" to refuse to serve in a Corbyn shadow cabinet. I know people who were wavering between Corbyn and Burnham who are now clear Corbyn voters just to get rid of those two.
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Jul 31, 2015 23:59
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i really hope they do force him out quickly, because directly sabotaging party democracy that way will not do them favours when they need to go back to the membership for another leadership election, which will have much stronger left candidates who have seen the opportunity and can ride a wave of gently caress You
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:When the US gets Sanders, the UK gets Corbyn, and Canada gets the beard dude, is that when he unite as Oceania? Australia still has to get their poo poo together before we can all form Voltron.
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Gum posted:basically. we don't know for certain what would win labour the next election, but its probably not the strategy that cost them the last one the blair wing seriously argues that its because milliband was too leftwing they still argue this after they hemorrhaged scotland in a historic, merciless defeat by the SNP
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Aug 1, 2015 03:47
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And lost ridiculous amounts of votes over the 10 years Blair was in power. Only reason he was clinging on being that the Tories were a complete loving shambles.
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Not forgetting that the world was a very different place to what it was in 1997 - no war on terror, no global recession, etc. Blair was the perfect candidate for an aspirational working class who thought hard graft was all that stood between them and millionaire status. Blairism hemorrhaged votes as the world got worse and the working class struggle became one to survive rather than succeed. It's completely incompatible with a 2015 where ordinary people are concerned about whether they'll get a paycheque at all rather than how many zeroes it has on it. If you're a Blairite in 2015 you're a moron.
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TEAYCHES posted:the blair wing seriously argues that its because milliband was too leftwing everyone is making the mistake of mixing his personal politics with the fact he's a dork who very rarely came off well on tv until it was too late
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Also he's a murderous war criminal
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Tony Blair is a mad-eyed war criminal who so bought into Thatcherism that the mainstream political discourse has shifted to be left-neoliberalism vs right-neoliberalism. Now that neoliberalism is dominant it's considered 'neutral', 'centrist', or the default state of being. Any alternative to neoliberalism is therefore dangerously ideological, and should be opposed at all costs lest we return to the 1970s.
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Exclamation Marx posted:Tony Blair is a mad-eyed war criminal who so bought into Thatcherism that the mainstream political discourse has shifted to be left-neoliberalism vs right-neoliberalism. Now that neoliberalism is dominant it's considered 'neutral', 'centrist', or the default state of being. Any alternative to neoliberalism is therefore dangerously ideological, and should be opposed at all costs lest we return to the 1970s. I've seen an awful lot of this in hand-wringing Grauniad thinkpieces these days - about how we're living in a post-ideological era and that Corbyn's leftist rhetoric is antiquated and irrelevant. These niggas are so myopic that it never crossed their minds that what we're living in is not a post-ideological world, but the near total supremacy of a vicious Neoliberal ideology that is too often taken for granted as just how the world works. What's even more mind boggling is how many of our political opposition have also bought into this horseshit.
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socialism has always been the answer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLF7Fl4SXh8     
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