Crash74 posted:

Effort Post:



This is a good read and it opened my eyes about socialism / communism please consider reading it:


https://www.amazon.com/Mig-Pilot-Final-Escape-Belenko/dp/0380538687

It's about Viktor Belenko, a soviet fighter pilot in the 1980's. Dude was a rock star for the communist party. At the beginning of his career he was a hard core party member and in the elite class. He was paid 600 rubles a month (ruble / dollar value where roughly the same) which was 5x what a normal person got. He could afford a black and white tv when very few people could. The jet that he flew was top of the line cutting edge, costing 6 million dollars. His life, and the lives of his people were pure hell.

The party bosses were corrupt and syphoning away every bit of money they could get. His people were forced to stop military operations to plow fields two months out of the year to help local farmers plant crops with hand tools, and harvest by hand because there was no machinery and if the military did not intervene the entire crop would spoil. The military leadership was incompetent and afraid of punishment for reporting anything negitive, to the point where the enlisted soldiers were illegally having to sneak off base to shoot deer so they wouldn't starve to death. Most became raging alcoholics to endure life in there lovely barracks. With men routinely being killed in safety accidents. His personal life was being destroyed because of the grueling hours his commander placed on him.

The plane's jet engines, bleeding edge technology allowing the jet to blast off to 20,000 feet in two minutes would destroy itself in it was not properly cooled. This was done with a 500 gallon tank of pure alcohol. So much of this industrial grade booze was being siphoned off by the soldiers the planes only had enough for two flights a month. The base he was stationed at had over 100 million dollars of planes, Top Secret, The best the Soviets had. They could not afford to feed the people that maintained the machines.

Everything Victor was seeing was making him panic inside, his leadership was actively trying to sabotage any change that would make the situation better.

He decided to defect.

He waited an entire year, planning his escape because they only allowed the planes to be fully fueled in rare training exercises. Finally he had enough fuel to reach Japan.

It was so close that he ran out of fuel costing down to the japanese airport, sliding off the runway and coming to a stop in a field.



His decision helped prevent a third world war and changed his life for ever.

When he was taken into custody of the "Dark Forces" both in japan and the U.S. he could not believe his eyes.

Did not believe, for months that what he was seeing was real. That it was all faked to impress him.

After being granted citizenship UNANIMOUSLY BY THE ENTIRE U.S. CONGRESS (wtf right), he went on a road trip across the country and lived on a farm of one of his CIA handlers relative's.

He came to the conclusion that the U.S. is the ideal Communist paradise.

Everyone was fed, everyone was wealthy, even the hobos were more wealthy than the people he saw starving in a ditch on the side of the road in russia. Even people who worked in denny's were making more than he did as a fighter pilot. Everyone had a color t.v., a car, a house. You could walk into any hospital and get top notch treatment. People that were out of their luck still could get help. No one was starving, with thousands of grocery stores, piles of food everywhere you looked.

The Communist Dream was America.

The farm where he stayed at and worked as a farm hand in the midwest had four people. It out produced an entire division of Soviet troops toiling away in the fields with shovels and pick akes.

The people were happy. Everyone worked hard for jobs they took pride in. In a year of driving around the country he was only in one bad situation where someone tried to rob him. When in Russia you would be robbed or killed if you were caught going outside the base by yourself.

Viktor Belenko, a true hero and overall cool and good guy:

People should be wearing pictures of this dude on their shirts, not che guevara.

Read the entire book here: http://testpilot.ru/review/mig_pilot/ch_6.htm


Working capitalism is the best ideal of communism. Be proud you live in the best country in the world.

Xtra Innings Lovin posted:

There are still factional struggles between Trotskyists and the Stalinist wing of a dead ideology LMAO. The Stalinist wing is still the prevailing ideology and they try and stamp out Trotskyists from their FB pages, etc.

With that being said, I think the Permanent Revolution will occur, we just need to wait until this whole capitalism thing runs its course.

proof of concept posted:

H.H posted:

There are still Stalinists around? LMAO.

Are they walking around going "Stalin did nothing wrong, the 20th communist congress was a reactionary betrayal of Leninist ideas by Khrushchev"?

I mean, with all of Hitler's unpopularity with sane people at least he wasn't discredited by his own party and regime.

Being a Stalinist in the 21st century sounds like the lamest, least ideologically consistent way to go through life.

BIG PUFFY NIPS posted:

ideology and belief is the death of understanding people should try having ideas and opinions instead

Dicere posted:

The US will eventually reorganize public life in such a way as that every worker has some ownership in the outcome and profit of his or her labor. It might be a long way off, and it may require the state losing any claim to legitimacy before being remade. Or the planet will burn. I'm not Nostradamus.

Hell Yeah posted:

i feel that discussing political ideology in gbs is against the spirit of this forum. i object to this thread.

Hell Yeah posted:

i would like to call upon genesplicer, mega64, or jeffrey of yospos to close this thread, as the deadpan serious discussion of socialism is unwanted and unwelcome in gbs, even in jest.

The Dennis System posted:

I don't really get what socialism is and the OP's post about it was too long to read. Do those Scandinavian countries like Sweden count as socialist? Isn't the goal of a lot Bernie Sanders type people to be like those Northmen? Or does socialism just exist now in hellhole countries like Cuba and that South American country that made a bunch of money off oil and then spent all of their money and then when the price of oil plummeted they went bankrupt and the country became a lawless hellscape? I don't know. I hope when millennials take over and institute socialism they don't spend all the money at least.

Hell Yeah posted:

i would like to call upon genesplicer, mega64, or jeffrey of yospos to close this thread, as the deadpan serious discussion of socialism is unwanted and unwelcome in gbs, even in jest.

proof of concept posted:

Gokuism you loving cocksuckers. you loving gay faggots.

Code Jockey posted:

I voted for both gokuism and socialism, I am a goku-socialist

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

Can I change this thread to be about socializing in 2017? Everyone here should be socializing regularly, we can do it GBS.